Thoughts and questions of a semi-newcomer getting back in action.

[Czar66]

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Edited September 5, 2015 by FeliusCzar

[Czar66]

I had participated on the last month of early access and resumed playing a few months after before stopping due to other things in life.

 

Jump forward to late august 2015, I went back to the icy flights on BoS. Low player count? Not a serious problem: load some bombs and go A-G. Atmosphere is there, lovely 109s and yaks to flight. (sadly no La-5 and 190 as of yet.... will buy!    )

 

Things I can't get answers on reading for hours the threads and clumsiness on search engine by my part, pardon. Some might be still uncleared by topics:

 

1- Maps:
  Very interesting the model of stand alone expansions but the price. Place the money aside for a sec and lend me some knowledge about the future of multiplayer.

 

As of now, I play exclusively one server, I just can't stand duel or normal servers, the second I could use to test some things and done... but absolutely under 0,1% of play time.

 

As of now I can only see one server (hardcore) being populated and a lot of people there will play the heck out of the new expansions and all, I do know.

 

Question 1: How multiplayer servers will adequate themselves when BoM releases on the note some people might not be able or not buy the expansion at all (not me) as the new map(s) will be expansion exclusive?

 

2-Steam and world-wide economy:

   Things are though in some countries... I'm from Brazil by nationality and residence. Back in early access things were easier.

 

South america wise, I've seen a Colombian mentioning how hard is now to buy in US dolars and other countries might also be in the same situation.

Back in 2014 I could buy BoS from the main site for about 150 to 160 R$-reais (my local currency), now the price spiked through 300 reais (almost half ones minimal wage) making things impossible.

 

Steam for instance alleviate the recession adjusting by a smaller amount. Back in 2014 it was just 110 reais the standard and now it's about 146. R$240 the deluxe. Tough... but manageable.

 

Question 2: Can we expect the steam version before the official release and subsequently (I very hope so) future expansions?

3- Single player

    Very cool single player, ......mmm but not really.

 

It's getting there. FOR **********ME**********, the best option on the single player would be the RoF single player structure. I know people don't like it, but allows for some mods including a full campaign enhancement. If there are mods for BoS, please point that out. 

 

Question 3: Would the pilots expect even further enhancements on single player for indefinite amount of time into this reboot title's life span independent of campaign style?
 

4- Engine

    Engine limitations.

 

As of we know there's no possibility in MP or SP to set identification numbers to any given pilot by the server, as we have in DCS for example, by the engine.

Question 4: There will be any change to that?

 

5- Future

  Future in uncertain and we only bother to speculate when we care.

 

Question 5: Any plans to make bundles of expansions? To restrict the player base segregation between the maps on multiplayer.

 

Question 6: More planes will be added to old expansions? For free or not, or added in stand alone release being able to be flown by anyone who have one expansion standalone or BoS.

 

Notes:
 

The guys behind this title can be praised for the enormous task to take such a behemoth name and reboot it or remake it from scratch. I can only respect that courage. That courage will be also needed to make the future of this new lineage. 

 

I would like to see planes being detached from expansions to anyone purchase and also the maps to center the player base, to unify for a lesser price tag. Servers can restrict planes from 42 to fight planes from 44 for example, or not, it can be a community made balance by servers.

 

I'm having a blast again flying in BoS, getting ripped apart by yaks and 109s, whatever, it's great.

 

Some questions are minor and resulted by the excitement of seeing a title grow. 

 

Pardon the edit after thread creation, slipped into the enter key.

 

 

I give you all a good flying and a salute the next time we see each other up in the air. 

[[CPT]milopugdog]

I had participated on the last month of early access and resumed playing a few months after before stopping due to other things in life.

 

Jump forward to late august 2015, I went back to the icy flights on BoS. Low player count? Not a serious problem: load some bombs and go A-G. Atmosphere is there, lovely 109s and yaks to flight. (sadly no La-5 and 190 as of yet.... will buy!    )

 

Things I can't get answers on reading for hours the threads and clumsiness on search engine by my part, pardon. Some might be still uncleared by topics:

 

1- Maps:

  Very interesting the model of stand alone expansions but the price. Place the money aside for a sec and lend me some knowledge about the future of multiplayer.

 

As of now, I play exclusively one server, I just can't stand duel or normal servers, the second I could use to test some things and done... but absolutely under 0,1% of play time.

 

As of now I can only see one server (hardcore) being populated and a lot of people there will play the heck out of the new expansions and all, I do know.

 

Question 1: How multiplayer servers will adequate themselves when BoM releases on the note some people might not be able or not buy the expansion at all (not me) as the new map(s) will be expansion exclusive?

I would assume that there will be overlapping planes, so you'll be able to fly the MiG in Bos, LaGG in Bom, etc, etc. 

[Sokol1]

 

>>> Question 1: How multiplayer servers will adequate themselves when BoM releases on the note some people might not be able or not buy the expansion at all (not me) as the new map(s) will be expansion exclusive?

 

This is predicable, as in other games at the release the new maps became the most used, latter the old can came to rotation, but the preference for winter maps is very low.

 

And obvious will be a player base division, as in any game that offer more than one option (version, mod)... like in the release of iL-2 Pacific Fighters or RoF Channel map.

 

>>> Question 2: Can we expect the steam version before the official release and subsequently (I very hope so) future expansions?

 

Probable no,  for release BoM as early access in STEAM they need the whole game (include map) ready (or Beta).

 

For the "3rd world country" economy problem: buy dollar now, on release BoM continued costing 99.99$ but can cost R$ 500 or more. 

 

What can really help is a low cost  version ~20/25$  with 2 planes (Bf 109F, Yak-1 - similar performance) and the other planes for additional cost. Most of people want only "uber planes" (Luft'waffles).

In the mentioned country the game is considered expensive for the few genre fans (they tend compare with other type of games), especially when more than 50% of 1946 players used warez version... 

 

>>> Question 3: Would the pilots expect even further enhancements on single player for indefinite amount of time into this reboot title's life span independent of campaign style?

 

Other than "campaign style" what can be done for SP? Is add planes, maps, ground units... and this is being done. Things like drivable vehicles, infantry units (a la WT)... is very unlikely at short/medium term.

 

>> 5- Future

   

 

 

[ShamrockOneFive]

I would assume that there will be overlapping planes, so you'll be able to fly the MiG in Bos, LaGG in Bom, etc, etc. 

 

That may not work out so well... LaGG-3 Series 29 is better than the earlier models that would have fought at Moscow. The Yak-1 Series 69 has even more of a disparity with the earlier models. That still doesn't account for the fact that BoS players won't have the BoM map. I'm not sure if BoS only players could play in a server running both BoS and BoM at the same time. It certainly doesn't work that way for a game like Battlefield 4 where there are 4-5 DLC packages. If the server you join has some or all of the DLC packages enabled then you need all of the ones that the server has. If you're missing even just one, you can't play at all.

 

I'm with the OP on issues of prices going up. The Canadian dollar is worth 0.75 of the American dollar right now (last year it was close to parity) and that stings a bunch. Glad I purchased when I did. I shouldn't complain... its much worse for Brazil. The Brazilian Real is worth 0.26 to 1 American dollar. Not sure if its possible for the devs to offer pricing in other countries that might not be as punitive.

[coconut]

 

 

If you're missing even just one, you can't play at all.

 

I'm not sure how that will work with regards to maps, but when it comes to planes, you will be allowed to join missions that run planes you don't own. You simply won't be able to pick them up, but you will be able to fight alongside and against them.

[Sokol1]

The Brazilian Real is worth 0.26 to 1 American dollar. Not sure if its possible for the devs to offer pricing in other countries that might not be as punitive.

 

Why a low cost (2 planes) version help. Don't need be the free unlock planes as the Russian DVD, just with option to buy other planes individual or packs.

[ShamrockOneFive]

I'm not sure how that will work with regards to maps, but when it comes to planes, you will be allowed to join missions that run planes you don't own. You simply won't be able to pick them up, but you will be able to fight alongside and against them.

 

That does have a Battlefield analogue... if you have the DLC packs you get the DLC weapons no matter where you are. I can see that happening for sure. I think he was talking about playing on only one server mind you. If he does that and the server upgrades to BoM then he won't be able to play there anymore until he gets the BoM package.

 

It's going to be interesting to see what this does.

[Czar66]

 I'm not sure if BoS only players could play in a server running both BoS and BoM at the same time. It certainly doesn't work that way for a game like Battlefield 4 where there are 4-5 DLC packages. If the server you join has some or all of the DLC packages enabled then you need all of the ones that the server has. If you're missing even just one, you can't play at all.

 

 

That's exactly my concern. It just feels the player base is too thin for a 1/5 separation at the best, for instance. Just a thought.

 

Yeah shamrock, things are pretty dim economically for risking buying in dollars at the store. If BoM price get the same as BoS at Steam it'll be fine for me, personally, not as much for others.

 

For BoM I'll go on premium or nothing. P-40 and MC.202 are absolutely marvelous aircrafts (dat mig and bf 110 tho). Too good to miss those ones....

 

 

 

Not sure if its possible for the devs to offer pricing in other countries that might not be as punitive.

 

Artificially it's already done by Steam prices, hence my question about BoM releasing at beta or something before official release Q1 2016.

 

 

 

Other than "campaign style" what can be done for SP? Is add planes, maps, ground units... and this is being done. Things like drivable vehicles, infantry units (a la WT)... is very unlikely at short/medium term.

 

I was thinking about the RoF model, that you're a pilot within the campaign world with custom name and real squadrons fought irl (hence the question about the ID numbering etc...), and the ability to implement perma death on your character/score/stats. Something in these lines, but idk what's up in front, so we'll see. 

Edited September 6, 2015 by FeliusCzar