Do you think BOS will get a drop in price when BOM is released

[tschangoo]

Hey guys,

 

 

i'd be really interested in trying BOS but unfortunately there is no demo (like in ROF) and i heard so many (not so great) things about it, that i am unsure, if i would like it and not regret a purchase.

This question is by no means intended to show disrepect to the developers and their job, (and i am sure the game deserves its current price) but in the moment i even skipped the recent 50% sale in hope for a 75% sale. So if there will be a price drop i would probably get it on the next sale.

So short story, to do you think BOS will get a price reduction when BOM is released, or not. It makes sense to me that it does not, since the game will continue to get updates apparently. So i am just asking you.

 

 

Edit: It probably sounds a bit ignorant, to not support the developers (of such a niche genre) to the fullest, but im just currently trying to spend not too much money on gaming and simming stuff.

Edited September 4, 2015 by tschangoo

[Potenz]

well i don't think so, but you just missed a massive sale with BoS 50%OFF

you will have to wait to the next one, or buy the standar edition and then 

the premium planes in the next sale

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

It probably wont. Both are standalone games with about equal content that can be combined to one great product. Comercially there's no point in pricing them differently once both are released (apart from sales of course).

 

I guess you missed the 50% sale that was going one a week ago, my advise would be to wait for the next one if the pricetag is the only thing holding you off.

Edited September 4, 2015 by Stab/JG26_5tuka

[tschangoo]

I didn't miss the 50% sale, I just hoped that there maybe will be a 75% sale. Not so long ago i got myself ROF with the channel map on steam, and i think it was also a 50% deal,but the base price was lower.

It probably wont. Both are standalone games with about equal content that can be combined to one great product. Comercially there's no point in pricing them differently once both are released (apart from sales of course).

 

Yeah i thought that, too. It definitely makes sense.

Edited September 4, 2015 by tschangoo

[Feathered_IV]

I think BoS is too good to warrant a 75% off sale. I'd say get it now and be done with it.

[Mikey]

I didn't miss the 50% sale, I just hoped that there maybe will be a 75% sale. Not so long ago i got myself ROF with the channel map on steam, and i think it was also a 50% deal,but the base price was lower.

Yeah i thought that, too. It definitely makes sense.

I will be waiting on a sale as well, $80 is too steep a price, not because the game is not worth it to some, but that it is too much for what it is. a game, that is not finished.

[71st_AH_Hooves]

So OP, it sounds like you are a customer that doesnt mind having a lesser equiped version of the game for the far lesser price.  Basically you "game" on a budget.  This is something I can certianly understand.  I thought that the RoF model really did help encourage your particular type of gamer to get involved.  I was afraid that this project was going to have a negative effect on that group of players.  I hope they do offer some sort of entry level that is even lower than the standard version. 

 

But Im afraid that the elevated cost of going to a WWII game is driving the higher prices.

[FuriousMeow]

So OP, it sounds like you are a customer that doesnt mind having a lesser equiped version of the game for the far lesser price.  Basically you "game" on a budget.  This is something I can certianly understand.  I thought that the RoF model really did help encourage your particular type of gamer to get involved.  I was afraid that this project was going to have a negative effect on that group of players.  I hope they do offer some sort of entry level that is even lower than the standard version. 

 

But Im afraid that the elevated cost of going to a WWII game is driving the higher prices.

 

RoF, when first released, was $50 and had only four planes. (Two initially, but they threw in two more for free). Every plane after was $7.95 or thereabouts.

 

It didn't start out as low cost, it started out pretty normal and adding planes caused the price to grow. We're still in that early phase where the buy in will cost money because its still very new, so the "budget" buying would still be further down the road using the RoF timeline.

[Bearcat]

Hey guys,

i'd be really interested in trying BOS but unfortunately there is no demo (like in ROF) and i heard so many (not so great) things about it, that i am unsure, if i would like it and not regret a purchase.

This question is by no means intended to show disrepect to the developers and their job, (and i am sure the game deserves its current price) but in the moment i even skipped the recent 50% sale in hope for a 75% sale. So if there will be a price drop i would probably get it on the next sale.

So short story, to do you think BOS will get a price reduction when BOM is released, or not. It makes sense to me that it does not, since the game will continue to get updates apparently. So i am just asking you.

Edit: It probably sounds a bit ignorant, to not support the developers (of such a niche genre) to the fullest, but im just currently trying to spend not too much money on gaming and simming stuff.

 

At $40 for the premium you were getting BoS at a very good price.. I don't know what more you could expect for a sim that is still less than a year out from it.s release... These kinds of threads always make me just shake my head.. In all likelihood there will be another sale on BoS before BoM is released... but given that you are interested in BoS it is surprising to me that you would even ask this question on the heels of a 50% sale...

 

 

RoF, when first released, was $50 and had only four planes. (Two initially, but they threw in two more for free). Every plane after was $7.95 or thereabouts.

 

It didn't start out as low cost, it started out pretty normal and adding planes caused the price to grow. We're still in that early phase where the buy in will cost money because its still very new, so the "budget" buying would still be further down the road using the RoF timeline.

 

Weren't the prices for planes around $13 when RoF was brand new...? I thought they were higher than $8..

[tschangoo]

At $40 for the premium you were getting BoS at a very good price.. I don't know what more you could expect for a sim that is still less than a year out from it.s release... These kinds of threads always make me just shake my head.. In all likelihood there will be another sale on BoS before BoM is released... but given that you are interested in BoS it is surprising to me that you would even ask this question on the heels of a 50% sale...

 

Well i'm sorry, i didn't want to offend anybody. But i did not demand that they drop their prices right now because i say so. I just asked, if people think that the price of BOS drops when Battle of Moscow comes out, which as i thought, is still some time out.

Besides that it is even worse, i wasn't thinking of getting the premium edition for 40 but instead the standard edition for 25€.

And i am again sorry, but for me 25€ make my scooter drive for four weeks or makes me have lunch at university for 2 weeks.

I don't want to rip off the developers, it is just in my case it's more than i should spend at the moment. And that's how i have to do it for the past years, waiting for a game to get older and get it on a steam sale.

Edited September 4, 2015 by tschangoo

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

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And i am again sorry, but for me 25€ make my scooter drive for four weeks or makes me have lunch at university for 2 weeks.

 

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An amicable and responsible position to take... Yes, unfortunately some of my fellow Americans cannot possibly fathom having less disposable income (even when we are not "well off" ourselves) than we do and would go as far as scoffing and shaking their heads... BC...    

 

To address the nature of your thread: No, I do not believe the prices would drop and I agree with 5tuka's take on the economic validity of them doing so.

Edited September 4, 2015 by Space_Ghost

[71st_AH_Hooves]

RoF, when first released, was $50 and had only four planes. (Two initially, but they threw in two more for free). Every plane after was $7.95 or thereabouts.

 

It didn't start out as low cost, it started out pretty normal and adding planes caused the price to grow. We're still in that early phase where the buy in will cost money because its still very new, so the "budget" buying would still be further down the road using the RoF timeline.

All fair points

[simplyjames]

I hope they release a couple planes for free as a demo once BoM is released so I can get some buddies into it.

[1PL-Banzai-1Esk]

If only there was a starter version of BoS , with let's say two unlocked airplanes , LaGG and 109 F4 and the rest of the planes you would have to unlock through playing campaign. No premium planes of course. For let's say $10.

 

Oh, hold on...there is such version, but only for Russian market.

Edited September 4, 2015 by 307_Banzai

[71st_AH_Hooves]

I don't think you can unlocked the other planes just the stuff for this 2 planes

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

I don't think you can unlocked the other planes just the stuff for this 2 planes

 

Incorrect.

 

In the 10USD region locked edition you can earn all of the modifications and aircraft (including PE aircraft) by playing the official campaign.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

The only way I know of would be to get a key of the cheaper "russian market" version. As far as I know it's around 10$ and includes only 2 planes. The other 8 can be unlocked by playing the campaing.

 

It's a pity and - in my point of view - a crutial mistake in their marketing to sell this version only in russia.

I know quite a bunch of people held off by the pricetag and that would be willing to pay more once they could try the game fitst. Unfortunately this is highly unlikely to happen.

Edited September 4, 2015 by Stab/JG26_5tuka

[Trident_109]

Well i'm sorry, i didn't want to offend anybody. But i did not demand that they drop their prices right now because i say so. I just asked, if people think that the price of BOS drops when Battle of Moscow comes out, which as i thought, is still some time out.

Besides that it is even worse, i wasn't thinking of getting the premium edition for 40 but instead the standard edition for 25€.

And i am again sorry, but for me 25€ make my scooter drive for four weeks or makes me have lunch at university for 2 weeks.

I don't want to rip off the developers, it is just in my case it's more than i should spend at the moment. And that's how i have to do it for the past years, waiting for a game to get older and get it on a steam sale.

On occasion there are generous forum members who will gift versions of BoS. Stay tuned and see if you can take advantage of others generosity. I understand the financial hardships of school and real life commitments. IMO if you are genuine in your financial situation that would qualify as a reason to get a gift.

 

I don't mean to speak for the generous gents on the forum but many gift to increase the fan base and share the 'love' of this game.

 

EDIT: Maybe after BoM comes out there may be a 'free' version of BoS with only one plane that lets you get the feel for the game and you can decide to invest more then. It took a while but RoF did that and I think it was a great benefit to the overall sales of RoF. (though I wouldn't know for sure)

Edited September 4, 2015 by Trident_109

[Bearcat]

Well i'm sorry, i didn't want to offend anybody. But i did not demand that they drop their prices right now because i say so. I just asked, if people think that the price of BOS drops when Battle of Moscow comes out, which as i thought, is still some time out.

Besides that it is even worse, i wasn't thinking of getting the premium edition for 40 but instead the standard edition for 25€.

And i am again sorry, but for me 25€ make my scooter drive for four weeks or makes me have lunch at university for 2 weeks.

I don't want to rip off the developers, it is just in my case it's more than i should spend at the moment. And that's how i have to do it for the past years, waiting for a game to get older and get it on a steam sale.

No need to apologize at all .... especially to me... I'm not mad at you....

[=EXPEND=Dendro]

Is there not some way to fund tscangoo a std edition, I would be happy to put pledge 20USD, anyone else?

[Finkeren]

I'd be more than happy to chip in, but this particular month I'm a bit strained for cash.

[tschangoo]

Is there not some way to fund tscangoo a std edition, I would be happy to put pledge 20USD, anyone else?

 

I'd be more than happy to chip in, but this particular month I'm a bit strained for cash.

 

Thats very nice of you, but i cant accept that. It is not that i cant afford it at all, but I don't want to spend that amount of money, while i'm unsure that it is my kind of sim.

 

One question though, does the steam refund system work with BOS, since it has a separate registration?

Edited September 5, 2015 by tschangoo

[=EXPEND=Dendro]

No idea how the whole steam setup works even though I bought through Steam.

 

This is one of the best sims ever made and needs support. You have to consider the price versus what we are getting here. THis game does not have the numbers that other games have.... not even close.... that is why its so expensive. We are a niche market so it will be a long while before you see prices like RoF.

 

RoF, CloD, WT, and DCS.... none come close to BoS in my humble opinion. I have not played another sim in months.

[Livai]

At $40 for the premium you were getting BoS at a very good price.. I don't know what more you could expect for a sim that is still less than a year out from it.s release... These kinds of threads always make me just shake my head.. In all likelihood there will be another sale on BoS before BoM is released... but given that you are interested in BoS it is surprising to me that you would even ask this question on the heels of a 50% sale...

 

Bearcat, what all here forget is that BoS Premium did cost $99,99 and Standard $59,99 before! We had 25%,40%,50% sales after release. The Devs dropped thanks to BoM Early Access the price down. Now BoS Premium cost $79.99 and Standard $49,99. With each 50% sale now is like we get a 75% sale according to the old price from BoS. Next sale will be on Christmas or New Year.

 

Compared to RoF how long we need to wait there for a 50% sale, years. I think the sales are a step forward.

[Theoask]

OMG buying IL 2 BOS on 50% discount sale last week was the best decision I made this year ! :-) The flight model is so realistic and damage model so great! I really feel like flying a WWII plane, especially in my favourite: BF-109.

I bought the 2 extra premium account places: La-5 and FW-190...All for all around 55 euros and I don't regret it a bit!

 

I just hoped that there would be a discounted price for IL BOS users who want to upgrade to IL 2 BOM....

[-TBC-AeroAce]

I would not see a problem with them releasing a basic version of the game similar to Russians version with just lagg for 10 dolls. I think giving the f4 for such cheap would be a bad idea as its a dramatically better plane hence I think that would stop some people buying the whole package

[jokerBR]

Well, from my part, I'm seeking for a way to trade my BoS for BoM.

I purchased BoS Standard long ago (while still in pre-order), but although the game is great, I guess I logged like 10 to 15 hours total in it until today. What keeps me off is the always white map.

I like to fly missions where I need to do dead reckoning - by the way, I love RoF for this very reason - but BoS is really boring (to me).

Realizing that there will be no summer/fall maps, I ended up uninstalling the game.

Now, I would like to buy BoM, but the dollar rate here is 4x1, so paying something like $200 is a no-go to me for several (financial) reasons.

 

If not trading, perhaps selling my BoS account with a discount so it can help me to buy BoM and those summer maps. I don't know if this is allowable (to sell accounts). The account in non-Steam, but can be converted to Steam if wished, AFAIK.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

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Realizing that there will be no summer/fall maps, I ended up uninstalling the game.

 

 

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Seems you're in luck, mate... Summer/autumn maps for the Stalingrad theatre are slated to release at the end of this month.

 

The update is free and it will also introduce period-appropriate missions in to 1CGS/777's campaign mode.

[jokerBR]

Seems you're in luck, mate... Summer/autumn maps for the Stalingrad theatre are slated to release at the end of this month.

 

The update is free and it will also introduce period-appropriate missions in to 1CGS/777's campaign mode.

You know that feeling when you thought all was lost, but then good news strike?

Reinstalling as I type. Thanks for the info!!

[6./ZG26_Emil]

Personally I think it will be sold cheaper once BOM has been launched.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

You know that feeling when you thought all was lost, but then good news strike?

Reinstalling as I type. Thanks for the info!!

 

Glad to see you'll be sticking around.

 

We're normally a helpful bunch - there is a lot of information floating around the forum but don't feel bashful about asking questions.

[senseispcc]

I hope not!

Not because I do not like reduction in prices but every time the Producer reduce the price of a game shortly after it release it is like a hit in the face for all hose that did pay the full price even before the game was created.

[ShamrockOneFive]

I am curious what will happen with the product pricing along the road. BoS won't be full price forever and buying into the community will get dramatically more expensive as time goes on if the original products stay at full price. Say 2-3 years from now there is Battle of Stalingrad, Battle for Moscow and Untitled Next Product or maybe two of those Untitled Next Products. That would potentially be $300 or $400 to buy into the game community and be up to date and fully multiplayer compatible. I'm fairly certain that at some point there will be a one stop price for $80-90 that will get you everything.

 

That doesn't apply to those of us who have paid up along the way. It also spreads our costs out by a fair bit. For someone new to the community, however, its too steep a price to pay and really you want more people buying into the game. The original IL-2 series hit a high point years after its initial release.

 

 

I hope not!

Not because I do not like reduction in prices but every time the Producer reduce the price of a game shortly after it release it is like a hit in the face for all hose that did pay the full price even before the game was created.

 

Why? We paid for it full price because that is what the price was when it came out. Two years later (from the initial pre-order) the price is likely to change. You can get IL-2 1946 for $10 online these days. I don't for a second feel miffed about paying full price for Forgotten Battles... or Ace Expansion Pack or Pacific Fighters. You will always pay more money to be an early adopter.

[=FI=Blue2]

^

Agreed!  I bought early & paid more, but I had the opportunity to enjoy the game for all the months since then.  So I bought a privalege, in a sense.  If I took advantage of that, & enjoyed it, then it was worth the bucks.  But either way it was my decision to take the risk & pay the price in the hope it would turn out that way.  Fortunately it did for me.  Sure there were & still are aspects I wasn't crazy about, but I've had a LOT of fun with it & that's what I choose to focus on.  The guy buying in months from now might pay less, but he has missed out on all that fun up to now.  However, I'm truly  glad he's joining us, & I hope he has a blast like I have!

 

Regarding the prices down the road I also agree - yes it's bound to decrease. Almost all products do.  But if we truly want the community to grow, we should welcome gradual price decreases.  Otherwise I agee that new folks are priced out of it just as you described, Shamrock.

[Trident_109]

I hope not!

Not because I do not like reduction in prices but every time the Producer reduce the price of a game shortly after it release it is like a hit in the face for all hose that did pay the full price even before the game was created.

Are you talking BoS or BoM? BoS has been out a year already and in that time has had two specials at about 50% off. The first was only 4 months into the official release. The last was in either July or August (I forget).