Relix Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 I got theses pedals last week as an upgrade from my Saitek pro's. They arived well packaged with only very minor assembly required. They are much smaller than my old pedals and all steel as opposed to plastic. They are sturdy and well constructed. I was a bit concerned that they might be too small for my big size 12 feet, but there is no issue they fit well and are comfortable although probably better with slippers, as after a couple of hours they were starting to get a little uncomfortable. The movement is different from the saitek, it is more of a up and down movement as opposed to pushing the saitek. They are easier to use for me and there was no issue with the pedals sliding on the floor. The pedals are much more responsive and take a bit to get use to but it only took a bit of taxiing and a couple times down the runway. There are no brakes on the pedals, but I just bound brakes to a button on my throttle and problem solved. I have tried them with BOS, DCS, and ROF all in windows 10 and have no issues All in all I am very happy with these pedals and know I will be for years to come. 2
AwesomeSprawvy Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 Thanks for the information. I don't currently own rudder pedals and I have been on the fence since these were announced.
Relix Posted September 5, 2015 Author Posted September 5, 2015 I forgot to mention the cool bonus that came with the pedals. A replica of aKG 12 pilot control stick key chain. Heavy-duty duty steel beautifully polished. A very nice touch.
Sokol1 Posted September 5, 2015 Posted September 5, 2015 The key chain is not a replica of KG-12 control grip trigger? BTW - Valdamar T-Rudder review: http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/11121-t-rudderfbm-vkb/
Weegie Posted September 5, 2015 Posted September 5, 2015 I have a pair of the earlier model, only got good things to say about them. I'm going to put in a little center deadband, they are sensitive, with what appears to be just foot pressure the aircraft will yaw/roll The trigger is just so cool too
Jason_Williams Posted September 5, 2015 Posted September 5, 2015 Glad you like them Relix. it should be mentioned that he bought his pedals from Stratojet in the USA. www.gostratojet.com Jason
Jason_Williams Posted September 5, 2015 Posted September 5, 2015 It should also be noted that "virtual toe brakes" are being worked on by VKB for the T-Rudders. Essentially they will operate much like the VVS brakes in BOS. You push a button on the joystick and you can move the pedals and push the brakes left or right. I'll post more when I know more, but that is indeed in the works. Jason
Sokol1 Posted September 5, 2015 Posted September 5, 2015 I have a pair of the earlier model, only got good things to say about them. I'm going to put in a little center deadband, they are sensitive, with what appears to be just foot pressure the aircraft will yaw/roll I think you can install the cam center system (2 different center forces, one with light force, suitable for helicopters) of Mk.II/III in the first model, contact VKB.
Weegie Posted September 6, 2015 Posted September 6, 2015 Ok Thanks for the info Sokol. as ever always useful
Relix Posted September 7, 2015 Author Posted September 7, 2015 The key chain is not a replica of KG-12 control grip trigger? BTW - Valdamar T-Rudder review: http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/11121-t-rudderfbm-vkb/ you are right, my mistake
Warpig Posted September 11, 2015 Posted September 11, 2015 These pedals look perfect for me. I wish they had a brake, but I was considering using my twist axis on my joystick for independent braking. Any thoughts? What sells me is how they are made for an office space and rolling chair. I've tried traditional pedals, and they didn't work very well for my setup. No brakes looks like a worthwhile compromise.
Jason_Williams Posted September 11, 2015 Posted September 11, 2015 Warpig, VKB is working on a "virtual toe brake". This feature will be added via a firmware update in the future. Soviet brakes don't use traditional toe brakes as we know. They are great pedals. Jason 1
Sokol1 Posted September 11, 2015 Posted September 11, 2015 (edited) I wish they had a brake, but I was considering using my twist axis on my joystick for independent braking. Any thoughts? The problem is the twist rudder is only one axis, for independent brakes you need two axis. But In BoS you have "differential brakes": press a button/key for "wheel brakes" - what brake both wheels, and moving rudder for left of right to brake only left or right wheel. This kind of brakes is used by LaGG, Yak, Pe-2, IL-2, La5, I-16... Mig-15, Mig-21... Spitfire, Hurricane, Blenheim and many other planes (e.g. British 50's jets). Ah, but is for Russian planes! Yes, but in BoS this "differential brakes" work too for Luftwaffe planes ( besides the "toe brakes"). Lo que no es lo mismo, pero es igual. And for DCS (or other "il-2) you can use the "axis to button" function of VKB software*, dividing the rudder axis in 3 bands. Set each of this band for press the buttons 1, 2, 3. In game assign button 1 for left wheel brake and button 3 for right wheel brake. Button 2 do nothing. This method is a workwaround, but work good, I can taxi with DCS "haunted" Bf 109/Fw 190. You can use this method in BoS, but use the "differential brakes" is better. Anyway taxi is a secondary function in flight games. * VKB software - available in their FTP - work different from joystick software (Saitek, Tm...), the configurations done is saved in device (Njoy32) EPROM. Edited September 11, 2015 by Sokol1 1
Warpig Posted September 11, 2015 Posted September 11, 2015 (edited) Thanks for the tips guys. With my X55 Rhino software, I believe I can change the axis to button function as well. I know it works on the trim axes, so it should on the twist axis. It would use 2 or 3 bands like you described with DCS. Although, the differential braking system does sound cool, and I will probably explore that possibility first. I made my order last night. Can't wait to get it! Edited September 11, 2015 by Warpig
Sokol1 Posted September 11, 2015 Posted September 11, 2015 (edited) Try use the X-55 twist rudder axis - for left or right side - for command "wheel brakes" (and use in together with rudder pedal to get proportional and "differential brakes"). Is need set a 50% deadzone in one side (left or right) of the twist axis with Saitek soft' or Dview, DXTweak2, this make one side of the axis null. The in game deadzone adjusted in 100% (high or low) only reduce the axis curse in 1/4, what due the always on center nature of twist rudder means that you start the flight with 1/4 of brakes applied, and is need reduce the axis curse in half - what a 50% deadzone with external program maybe achieve. Edited September 11, 2015 by Sokol1 1
Sokol1 Posted October 4, 2015 Posted October 4, 2015 Although this is not needed for BoS Luftwaffe and P-40 planes - as explained above they can use "differential brakes"- how emulate "toe brakes" in VKB T-Rudder using VKB Configuration Software. http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/4176480/VKB_T-Rudder_%22toe_brakesPost4176480
Sokol1 Posted October 11, 2015 Posted October 11, 2015 (edited) In this video the left and right wheel brakes are on virtual axes - emulated with T-Rudder rudder axis. Both wheel brakes are on joystick trigger. Don't find advantage over brakes on buttons (virtual, emulated be rudder axis like in Fw 190 D-9 video above), in true find the response 'sluggish". But for what matter, the option work well. Edited October 11, 2015 by Sokol1
No_85_Gramps Posted October 16, 2015 Posted October 16, 2015 Just received mine yesterday from gostratojet.com. Well packaged, extremely well built, and perfect for under the desk use. No problems at all using with a rolling chair as the movement is up/down. Simple plug and play set-up, no software needed. I did not make any adjustments to the heel pad positions as the fit was fine out of the box. Now to ween myself off the twist axis on my joystick. Did a trial run in MP last night and I kept forgetting I had the pedals and kept trying to use the stick. The key ring was a nice touch, as well as a couple of stickers that appear to be used for labeling the cables. Now off to practice in QMB to get out of the twist-axis habit...
Sokol1 Posted October 16, 2015 Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) A good exercise to get used to control rudder with feets is do some take-off, fly around and landing (attempt ) without use the joystick (X, Y axis), . Edited October 16, 2015 by Sokol1
71st_AH_Hooves Posted October 17, 2015 Posted October 17, 2015 Got a pair as well and am absolutely loving their small profile and sturdy metal quality.
No_85_Gramps Posted October 17, 2015 Posted October 17, 2015 A good exercise to get used to control rudder with feets is do some take-off, fly around and landing (attempt ) without use the joystick (X, Y axis), just using rudder, throttle and trim. I'll have to give this a try! Should prove challenging. Thanks Sokol1.
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