=362nd_FS=Hiromachi Posted August 29, 2015 Posted August 29, 2015 I'm sure some of you have heard of the gossip that a German train which departed from Breslau (Wrocław today) some day in May 1945 and never reached its destination, was claimed to be found lately : http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33994483 According to Minister of Culture its almost certain that this train exists and he admitted that he saw it on radar images : http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-poland-nazi-gold-train-20150828-story.html Apparently it is an armoured train, 100 meters long which according to those who know where it is was mined to protect its secrets. Mines will explode if anybody would try to mess around. So even if it will be found the area still would have to be carefully explored and explosives have to be disarmed. That would be unfortunate if 70 years after the war someone would die because of nazis secrets. Interesting thing is also that before even getting into it, there are already claims from some organizations (World Jewish Congress) to the treasure. But nonetheless this may be a history news of a year, no matter what we will find there
Feathered_IV Posted August 29, 2015 Posted August 29, 2015 Maybe its full of crated Burmese Spitfires. 1
=362nd_FS=Hiromachi Posted August 29, 2015 Author Posted August 29, 2015 I hope so, that would be a big surprise and nobody would make claims to gold, ancestors, etc. Otherwise it could be full of nothing We could drag it to museum and anyone could enjoy such a rare piece of history.
SharpeXB Posted August 29, 2015 Posted August 29, 2015 B.J. Blazkowicz has been dispatched to investigate...
johncage Posted August 29, 2015 Posted August 29, 2015 (edited) are they kidding us? world jewish congress, as if they weren't pereptuating the stereotype enough, thinks they have a claim to it? by what right? some misplaced sense of entitlement? reparation? no, the only people who have a right to it are the german people. [Edited]. These kinds of comments are unacceptable. Edited August 30, 2015 by Bearcat Language, borderline anti semetic remarks. 2
=362nd_FS=Hiromachi Posted August 29, 2015 Author Posted August 29, 2015 (edited) I'd like to ask you not to use such language, we are civilized people, there is no need to use such language here. Second thing, we do not know what this train contains. If that is air, uranium, Hitlers monuments or valuables from Breslau banks. It's hard to say to who belongs what when you dont know what is there. And when we will know, in case of valuables or belongings - if a certain person making claims to a certain item can prove his rights (aka someone is a son or a grandson or granddaughter of the owner, or has some legal documents) than such items could be given back. In any other event, when rightful owner cannot be found or right cannot be proven than in accordance with polish law what contains the train belongs to the Republic of Poland. No other country, nor some private organization should make a claim. I hoped to bring something interesting to the section, did not expect such emotions ... Edited August 29, 2015 by =LD=Hiromachi 2
Finkeren Posted August 29, 2015 Posted August 29, 2015 (edited) are they kidding us? world jewish congress, as if they weren't pereptuating the stereotype enough, thinks they have a claim to it? by what right? some misplaced sense of entitlement? reparation? no, the only people who have a right to it are the german people. [Edited] Let's not go there, shall we? Edited August 30, 2015 by Bearcat
Original_Uwe Posted August 29, 2015 Posted August 29, 2015 B.J. Blazkowicz has been dispatched to investigate... I still remember the first shareware version of that on my 486.
DD_Arthur Posted August 29, 2015 Posted August 29, 2015 (edited) are they kidding us? world jewish congress, as if they weren't pereptuating the stereotype enough, thinks they have a claim to it? by what right? some misplaced sense of entitlement? reparation? no, the only people who have a right to it are the german people. [Edited]. Wow! Edited August 30, 2015 by Bearcat
johncage Posted August 29, 2015 Posted August 29, 2015 raaaid, show that portrait to katy perry's twitter.
=362nd_FS=Hiromachi Posted August 29, 2015 Author Posted August 29, 2015 (edited) why they didnt follow the railtracks to find it? Probably because there are no tracks, Germans were smart enough to remove them and cover the area. It's near the whole Riese complex : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Riese (video has german subtitles) You could hide there more than a few trains, than just collapse the entrances and clear the roads to it ... and things vanish. And of course it was a standard to kill workers after that, so no witnesses except for some SS officers. i feel confused about the whole news, seems trully idiocrazy is coming It already may have started Edited August 30, 2015 by =LD=Hiromachi
Bearcat Posted August 30, 2015 Posted August 30, 2015 If some of this can be traced back to the original; families who owned it it should be returned. If not it should go to a museum.
Jason_Williams Posted August 30, 2015 Posted August 30, 2015 Shades of supposed buried Spitfires in Burma. Remember how that worked out? Jason 1
TWC_Ace Posted August 30, 2015 Posted August 30, 2015 If there is a single airplane part in that train I demand they sold it out to museums and all the money goes for making sims like BOS. ops sry I got carried away
1CGS LukeFF Posted August 30, 2015 1CGS Posted August 30, 2015 are they kidding us? world jewish congress, as if they weren't pereptuating the stereotype enough, thinks they have a claim to it? by what right? some misplaced sense of entitlement? reparation? no, the only people who have a right to it are the german people. [Edited]. These kinds of comments are unacceptable. Go away
Feathered_IV Posted August 31, 2015 Posted August 31, 2015 Go away He's already gone. I've noticed johncage just passes by in regular cycles, rather like a noxious comet. He just seems to do the rounds of a number of websites and simply leaves a faint tail of hateful remarks in his wake.
Mastermariner Posted August 31, 2015 Posted August 31, 2015 He's already gone. I've noticed johncage just passes by in regular cycles, rather like a noxious comet. He just seems to do the rounds of a number of websites and simply leaves a faint tail of hateful remarks in his wake. Oh no! Please stay. Always refreching with people who dare speak their own mind, regardles of PC and political pear pressure. Master
Finkeren Posted August 31, 2015 Posted August 31, 2015 (edited) Oh no! Please stay. Always refreching with people who dare speak their own mind, regardles of PC and political pear pressure. Master Edited August 31, 2015 by Finkeren 2
J2_Trupobaw Posted August 31, 2015 Posted August 31, 2015 There is a solid answer to johnycage's question, cargo of the train (if it exists, it may or may not be scam, possibly made up to influence new Polish law about ownership of found masterless relics which is being changed right now ); may include identifiable valuables confiscated from Jews. Or other valuables, or documents, or whatever was being evacuated from Breslau.
1CGS LukeFF Posted August 31, 2015 1CGS Posted August 31, 2015 Oh no! Please stay. Always refreching with people who dare speak their own mind, regardles of PC and political pear pressure. Master Yes, because the world does not have enough anti-semites already. 3
Uufflakke Posted October 24, 2015 Posted October 24, 2015 Someone went inside that tunnel and made pictures of the hidden Nazi train:
6./ZG26_Emil Posted October 24, 2015 Posted October 24, 2015 Someone went inside that tunnel and made pictures of the hidden Nazi train: If these are real I'll eat my hat :D
Uufflakke Posted October 24, 2015 Posted October 24, 2015 If these are real I'll eat my hat :D I got the info from a Dutch newssite yesterday. According the site the pictures were made the 5th of September by probably illegal treasure diggers. And pictures were handed over yesterday afternoon by an anonymous person. A bit mysterious all together, because why a Dutch newspaper and not a Polish or German one? Anyway, according the site Germany will publish more info in relation to the Nazi train and its pictures later that day. Since it is Saturday already I searched the web but have not found any new information. http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/24652869/__Mysterieuze_foto_s_van_nazitrein_in_Polen__.html Perhaps photos are fake and a blunder by the newspaper to publish them. Or the entire Nazi train story is one big hoax. If not, well you are gonna have a tough meal to digest. * Burph*
6./ZG26_Emil Posted October 24, 2015 Posted October 24, 2015 Ha ha indeed...I hope I am wrong and they are real that would be an amazing find!
BeastyBaiter Posted October 24, 2015 Posted October 24, 2015 They look like screen grabs from a video game cutscene to me, though I don't know what game.
Feathered_IV Posted October 24, 2015 Posted October 24, 2015 All those nazi wonka bars... It's odd that after 70 years there is no accumulation of dust or breakdown of materials. The secret society symbol is a really nice touch though.
[CPT]Pike*HarryM Posted October 25, 2015 Posted October 25, 2015 Yes, and a real one would obviously have HUGE swastikas on it.
Urra Posted October 25, 2015 Posted October 25, 2015 The arch that's on the first photo on the left edge behind the train doesn't exist on the fourth photo, which is made at the same angle. The scale of the train seems different also between the first and last photo. I agree it's nice of them to dust off the entire train for the photos. It wouldn't shine like that after 70 years, with a couple inches of dust. Just my observation.
Uufflakke Posted October 25, 2015 Posted October 25, 2015 They look like screen grabs from a video game cutscene to me, though I don't know what game. Polish journalists went to a game-expert to see if it might be a shopped screenshot from a game. After his analysis he excluded the photos to be part of a computer game. But he has his doubts about the way pictures are lit. It's odd that after 70 years there is no accumulation of dust or breakdown of materials. The secret society symbol is a really nice touch though. It is indeed something experts are wondering about. How come that after the explosions to block the entrances there is no debris or dust on top of the green canvases? That wooden crates still look brand new is not such a surprise according insiders because in those days crates were impregnated with oil to protect them. The arch that's on the first photo on the left edge behind the train doesn't exist on the fourth photo, which is made at the same angle. The scale of the train seems different also between the first and last photo. I agree it's nice of them to dust off the entire train for the photos. It wouldn't shine like that after 70 years, with a couple inches of dust. Just my observation. I also noticed differences between 1st and 4th image. I think those two trains are different ones. The first one -with the higher middle part with the big white 8 on it- is perhaps the diesel locomotive, and the one on the 4th image is a train wagon. Polish journalists went also to the National Railway Museum in Warsaw and according the museum the diesel locomotive is a ‘Panzertriebwagen 16'. There are differences between images and the train they have in their collection. The museum one is captured by the Russians and donated after the war. It was not uncommon that Russians removed and added parts to trains when it was in their possession. Therefor the differences. On the other hand museum specialists can not exclude that photos are taken from their website and photoshopped afterwards. All info here but in Dutch: http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/24654030/__Experts_oneens_over_foto_s__.html A big mystery anyway.
DD_Arthur Posted October 25, 2015 Posted October 25, 2015 Those ingots are not silver. That's aluminium. So now we know; Those Burmese Spitfires were never buried, they were melted down and sent to Germany right at the end of the war in a large, secret cargo carrying submarine that then took Hitler and Martin Boorman to Maui. Yep, all making sense now. 2
DD_Arthur Posted October 25, 2015 Posted October 25, 2015 those are not silver bars but probably uraniun hence the cameraman protection Wot? You mean the gardening gloves?
Uufflakke Posted October 25, 2015 Posted October 25, 2015 The photos look like a model to me. I had the same impression. On the other hand, the more you watch at something the more you discover. And when having your doubts the more you discover that confirms your doubts. There is one element in last 3 images I wonder. Why is time and date in left bottom corner so pixelated? Usually it is crispy clear and much sharper than anything else on a photo.
II./JG53Lutzow_z06z33 Posted November 1, 2015 Posted November 1, 2015 Wouldn't water have accumulated in the tunnels or at least the train have rusted from the huge amount of humidity underground?
6./ZG26_Emil Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 Wouldn't water have accumulated in the tunnels or at least the train have rusted from the huge amount of humidity underground? Yep that's why I think they're fake. I think silver would tarnish as well.
Feathered_IV Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 After more than 20 years as a gold and silversmith, I can promise. That definitely isn't silver.
Cybermat47 Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 (edited) After more than 20 years as a gold and silversmith, I can promise. That definitely isn't silver.OMG murst be alan silver nazi have 4 letters alan have 4 letters hitler rote 4 letters to eve brain eve brain had a pett snak snaks ar reptils reptils ar politishians politishians are iluminatee iluminatee confirm I think it's time for me to get some sleep... Edited November 2, 2015 by Cybermat47
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