The long joystick theory.

[Sokol1]

Some "virpilovs" defends the thesis that the computer joystick shall have the same length of the actual ones in real aircraft, 

making necessary large stick movements to move the control surfaces of aircraft, to get "precision".

 

But when you see videos of real pilots using (computer) joystick they do this in inverse way, handling the joystick in a way that reduce the joystick movement.

 

You can see this in YT videos of some real P-51 Mustang pilots "flying" in DCS P-51 or that Russian test pilot (that fly real i-16, il-2, Mig/Yak...) "flying" in BoS.

 

Or in this video of a guy piloting and landing a real MQ-1 predator:

 

 

All handle the joystick in same way, reducing the throwing movement.

Edited August 27, 2015 by Sokol1

[71st_AH_Hooves]

Some "virpilovs" defends the thesis that the computer joystick shall have the same length of the actual ones in real aircraft, 

making necessary large stick movements to move the control surfaces of aircraft, to get "precision".

 

But when you see videos of real pilots using (computer) joystick they do this in inverse way, handling the joystick in a way that reduce the joystick movement.

 

You can see this in YT videos of some real P-51 Mustang pilots "flying" in DCS P-51 or that Russian test pilot (that fly real i-16, il-2, Mig/Yak...) "flying" in BoS.

 

Or in this video of a guy piloting and landing a real MQ-1 predator:

 

 

All handle the joystick in same way, reducing the throwing movement.

Whilst the 2 other examples you gave I think are valid, the last one isnt exactly accurate.  The MQ-1 and 9 isnt "flown" in the typical manner, it is "instructed to fly" and the aircraft avionics then determine how best to accomplish that instruction.  So fidelity is not nearly as important.  While I'll agree that grabbing the top of the control stick and commanding massive amounts of roll unintentionally is probable, the actual act of "flying that fine line" isnt as controllable in RPA's.

[Feathered_IV]

It's amazing how many people fly with the joysticks on their desk and the hat switch up around their chin, arm bent like a T-Rex.

[SharpeXB]

I think CH Products makes that controller.

[Original_Uwe]

Extension works better for me.

Base between my legs with a 10cm extension makes vlying much easier.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Dropping the Warhog onto a stand with the 10 cm extension didn't really improve my precision appreciably. It just made the stick more comfortable and put it in a more natural position in regard to a cockpit.

[71st_AH_Hooves]

I think CH Products makes that controller.

No they make one like it. It was an attempt to partner with a competitor to the company that makes the Predator and Reaper Simulator.  it failed pretty hard.  Each one of their consoles were sold for 15k a piece.

[BeastyBaiter]

It all comes down to simple motor control. Human fingers are more accurate than our wrists and our wrists are more accurate than our arms. When I flew RC model aircraft (direct control, no computerized helpers), I used thumb sticks no longer than my actual thumbs. This was and is the standard method. These controllers, despite super short control sticks, are incredibly accurate. The reason is not only the accuracy of the sensors, but the user's ability to move them with very fine control. Using a standard desktop joystick, the most accurate control method is with the wrist and fingers. Using those muscles, a high level of precision is easily achieved. But if the arm is used instead, control is sloppier. On my X-55, I have to use a mix of both methods. The stick and throw are simply too long to use wrist and fingers only, so I do major movements with my arm and use my fingers and wrist for finer control. Typically this comes in the form of squeezing the stick to move it back slightly. Needless to say, I'm using the lightest spring on the stick. It's even more accurate with no spring at all, but that poses problems when reaching for a drink.

[Lusekofte]

I fly replica yoke, it need muzzle to move and you get a realistic feel. You aint improving but get a better feel. Flying joystick with fingertips aint WW2 style, That is flying helicopter style . 

[Lensman1945]

I fly replica yoke, it need muzzle to move and you get a realistic feel. You aint improving but get a better feel. Flying joystick with fingertips aint WW2 style, That is flying helicopter style . 

+1

[Dakpilot]

"Some "virpilovs" defends the thesis that the computer joystick shall have the same length of the actual ones in real aircraft, 

making necessary large stick movements to move the control surfaces of aircraft, to get "precision".

 

^^I think that this is back to front,  having a longer stick with larger throw allows easier small inputs with more precision, the reason you see pilots used to full size sticks using two fingers is because of sim joysticks being much more sensitive

 

Two fingers on a scale joysticik is similar to an arm and a fist on a real size one

 

Cheers Dakpilot