Blackout/redout - anyone experienced it recently?

[FuriousMeow]

I just forced a 190 to fall apart in a high speed turn without experiencing any onset of blackout. Is the 190's airframe G-limit less than the blackout tolerance of a human without a g-suit? I can't imagine the seat in the 190 was slanted at an angle to provide better G-tolerance if the airframe itself couldn't tolerate the Gs. Maybe I'm wrong.

 

Same with every plane, I previously did experience blackout and redout but recently I've not seen them at all singleplayer or multiplayer. Singpleplayer I use custom difficulty just to "allow spectators" but multiplayer I play "Expert" and I have overstressed the German aircraft in high G manuevers and haven't had a blackout.

 

Negative Gs, I haven't had any at all. Even sitting inverted long enough to cause the engine to starve of fuel in certain aircraft should produce redouts because the blood is being pumped into the brain but not back out due to the way the veins are designed (blood vessels and veins are set so blood vessels can pump up and hold while the veins are designed to just let free flow down essentially which means anyone can redout if they are inverted long enough).

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

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I didn't notice till you said anything but no, I don't think they have been as common.

 

I don't know that nationality has anything to do with that - I don't normally fly anything VVS because of a lack of personal interest.

[SAG]

Ive seen them, but now that you mention it, not quite as often. maybe they increased the threshold?

Edited August 18, 2015 by SAG

[-TBC-AeroAce]

This is a good point! I have not had one in a very very long time but this might be because I'm flying better

[Bert_Foster]

Yet to see Black out or red out ..... Devs is this modelled ? if so roughly what criteria are you using ?

Edited August 18, 2015 by Bert_Foster

[Jason_Williams]

Yes it's modeled. I don't think we've changed anything.

 

Jason

[Bert_Foster]

Well something imo is wrong. In specific max perf turn testing I cannot achieve black out. In all cases I always reach the lift limit no black/grey out ever occurring. My Standard test method (same used in IL2 classic/DCS/CLOD)  is start at high altitude roll in to a descending turn and smoothly pull to the lift limit lowering the nose as required (via bank control to control attitude) whilst riding the lift limit with increasing IAS. even at speeds as high as 600Kmh on the lift limit (i.e at high G).... grey/blackout never occurs.

 

To me it would seem the Grey/Blackout threshold and or duration is too high. To all practical purposes in BOS you can ignore Grey/blackout .... imo that is unrealistic.

[TG-55Panthercules]

I agree - something seems to have gone wrong somehow.

 

After reading this thread I went in and took a QMB with a Stuka.  Diving from 3,000m, I ripped off a wing while pulling out of the dive, and never got even the beginnings of a blackout during the pull-out.  Not a truly scientific test, but I never had that happen on any of my other dives in the Stuka before.

 

Just to make sure it wasn't some fluke, I just went back in and did 3 more dives (without pulling wing off this time), and still never a hint of blackout symptoms (thought I was starting to see one once, but it was just oil on my canopy from trashing my engine getting a little aggressive on one of my dives).

 

Definitely never used to be able to do these dive bombing attacks without at least some momentary blackouts.  Very odd.

[Guest deleted@50488]

On German aircraft  they designed the seat in such a way that the effects of G-forces were less prone to cause blackout. I believe that's the reason why we have more difficulty in getting into such situations when flying the Bf109s and the Fw190.

[Bert_Foster]

On German aircraft  they designed the seat in such a way that the effects of G-forces were less prone to cause blackout. I believe that's the reason why we have more difficulty in getting into such situations when flying the Bf109s and the Fw190.

Indeed but this only gives perhaps 0.3G to maybe 0.5G increase in tolerance. As it is I have been testing with MC202 and YAK1...... still cant ever get Grey/Blackout ...... something is broken.

Edited August 18, 2015 by Bert_Foster

[Jade_Monkey]

Yes, its been a long time since i saw one in game.

[Finkeren]

True. Now that you mention it, I haven't seen it for some time. I thought I had just become better at my high-speed maneuvering

[NN_RugbyGoth]

Funny, I was saying to myself yesterday that I haven't seen any blackouts in this game for a long time now. If I rememeber well, we used to have a lot of those blackouts sometime ago... It seems broken.

[Blooddawn1942]

Funny thing that none of us noticed this until now.

[-TBC-AeroAce]

Funny thing that none of us noticed this until now.

Yeah strange

[NachtJaeger110]

True. Now that you mention it, I haven't seen it for some time. I thought I had just become better at my high-speed maneuvering

 

Same here

 

Just yesterday I tested the MC202 for structural strength and I don't remember a single blackout..

[TWC_Ace]

I can confirm, definitely blackouts are gone....

[Wulf]

On German aircraft  they designed the seat in such a way that the effects of G-forces were less prone to cause blackout. I believe that's the reason why we have more difficulty in getting into such situations when flying the Bf109s and the Fw190.

 

 

As far as I'm aware, the raised leg seating position was a feature on the 190 only.  The seating position of the 109 was essentially upright, like most fighters of the period. And yes, it would seem that blackout/redout feature has indeed been switched off.

[TP_Jacko]

red out would be easier to test as its a lower g force

[-TBC-AeroAce]

I wonder if it is a server option i.e u can do it in sp

[Bert_Foster]

All my testing was in SP

[-TBC-AeroAce]

OK cool

[Dr_Molenbeek]

They are definitely gone, indeed... I wonder since when, though. 

[LLv24_Zami]

No blackouts here either in SP. And like many others I didn't notice it until mentioned :D

[Dauntless]

Confirmed!! Same here, single player.

 

No blackouts here either in SP. And like many others I didn't notice it until mentioned :D

[Guest deleted@50488]

So.... our pilots now all suffer from high blood pressure - that's a consequence of the immersion!

[Dauntless]

I've also noticed that I have no problems if I don't let the engine warm up before I taxi. My setting is no check for engine warm. I don't know, they may be connected.

[Matt]

I think they disappeared with the I-16 update.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Going back through my somewhat feeble memories, I think it was more than just the last update. I can't recall any blackouts for at least two or three months. I didn't really notice til this thread posted.

[Jason_Williams]

Guys,

 

I only recently got my flying rig back up after my move and resulting chaos. I'm trying to find out what happened. No answer yet. I have no idea if it was intentional or not. News to me unfortunately.

 

Jason

[Finkeren]

It's strange that it took all of us such a long time to notice it

 

Well, as long as it's being looked into.

[Jason_Williams]

It's only being looked into by me. Until I have an answer from Moscow it is what it is.

 

Jason

[Finkeren]

Well, you are someone as well Jason

[Jason_Williams]

Hardly anymore.

 

Jason

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Aw, we still luv ya big guy

 

[Brano]

We havent noticed because we all think how superb pilots we are   But they are gone,I can confirm 

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

Black outs are bronken. Good for 190 pilots 

[SCG_Neun]

Honor system..in a high G move...squint your eyes...

[TheElf]

I start to grey out around 6.5 sustained Gs.  But it doesn't affect me immediately. Rapid onset G of greater tha 7Gs I really have to strain, and perform Hck maneuver.  My resting G-Tolerance is around 4 G.  

[Falco_Peregrinus]

Confirm, can't see blackouts. Thanks Jason for your feedback