Can six cores with 3,5ghz each be not enough?..

[I./JG62_froNt]

Hey Folks!

 

I built myself a new setup to be able to play actual games again in good looking settings, also finally being able to take off in Stalingrad in a acceptable framerate.

And the setup works really well, Im able to max out alle the actual games (The Witcher Wild Hunt for example), only beside Il2BoS or RoF...

 

I experience really low FPS with my Setup but Im not sure why. 

The weird thing about it is, there is nearly NO difference in the framerate between low and ultra settings.

 

In dogfights it drops down to 15-20frames and it becomes very annoying look around. When nothings goin on it can rise up to 60fps though.

 

I also have suprisingly low FPS in Rise of Flight. (20-30fps)

 

Knowing those games need a good CPU, I assume my bottleneck there. But when I look up the usage of the CPU it even doesn't operate at full capacity.

 

Any Ideas? 

 

My Setup:

 

64bit System

AMD FX 6300 Six Core 3,50 Ghz

NVIDIA GTX 960

Crucial DIMM 8 GB DDR3-1600

 

What I already tried:

Changing Graphic Settings

Changing IL2 Process Priority to high

IL2 Process Affinity is set to all Cores

 

 

Thanks for your replys,

urpark.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[LLv44_Mprhead]

BoS does not utilize all the cores to maximum capacity. Apparently it basically uses two cores, so you will get noticeable improvement in performance upgrading from dual core to quad core, but having more than 4 doesn't really help at all (that's what devs said about year or so ago). I used to have AMD FX-8350 and I had same thing as you do -> no difference in fps regardless of the settings I used. Changing to intel cpu with fewer cores but higher single core performance more or less doubled my fps. I think that with your set up way to higher frame rates is overclocking your cpu.

[I./JG62_froNt]

hey mprhead, thanks for your reply.

 

Bummer, so I should've bought an Intel after all ..

 

The decision buying a AMD Cpu was just because it costs the half of an Intel and they said in the requirements "any comparable AMD cpu".

 

I just looked up the requirements again and it seems they removed the AMD. Now it just says "Intel® Core™ i5/i7 2.8 GHz"

 

Wondering why they set the game up for using only 2 cores, especially when its that hungry for cpu performance ..

[I./JG62_froNt]

But good to know, that you had the same issue with the FX-8350!

Was thinking about upgrading to this processor before..

 

But Im just wondering: the FX-8350 comes with 4,0 Ghz / core, but your actual CPU just has 3,9Ghz/core?..

[Sokol1]

The decision buying a AMD Cpu was just because it costs the half of an Intel and they said in the requirements "any comparable AMD cpu".

 

In the other hand, the Intel that you buy for similar price of AMD FX6300 give you better performance in "flight simulation games".

 

Perhaps comparable performance in these 'blockburster" games, The Witcher, FarCry4, BF4, COD'2... but not in "flight similation games'.

[Dakpilot]

Intel 4 ghz and AMD 4ghz are not really comparable, there are many Intel CPU's that will beat AMD CPU's at much higher clockspeeds

 

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html

 

note where the AMD CPU's are in this benchmark of the most important factor in CPU performance with most flight sims, the standard 'turbo boost function with AMD CPU's can lead to performance issues/fluctuations with high CPU load, usually performance will be better with this feature turned off

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[LLv44_Mprhead]

Intel CPUs have much higher instructions per cycle count, so at similar clock speed they are quite a lot faster https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instructions_per_cycleFX-8350 did give playable fps, but if you overclock your current cpu, you should achieve the same result.

[I./JG62_froNt]

In the other hand, the Intel that you buy for similar price of AMD FX6300 give you better performance in "flight simulation games".   Perhaps comparable performance in these 'blockburster" games, The Witcher, FarCry4, BF4, COD'2... but not in "flight similation games'.

 

yep, Sims are a special game-category. Many things have changed since FS98 Though, 6 cores à 3,5Ghz made a solid impression in the first place to me. Would had never thought its THAT kind of a hungry game

 

By the way, the only Intel which would had been in the same price category (~100€), would had been the Intel® Core™ i3-4130 with two cores. But I'm no Hardware-Crack, so I just compared the amount of cores, smiled and ordered the AMD Well, It's easy to be wise after the event.

 

 

 

the standard 'turbo boost function with AMD CPU's can lead to performance issues/fluctuations with high CPU loa

 

 

I tried out turning that off, sadly it didnt brought any change. The only option left with my current configuration is propably overclocking and saving money for a new CPU. Or change the game by myself using all available cores 

Any suggestions for a CPU which can handle stable 40-60fps while normal gameplay?

 

Thanks a lot guys for your replys so far! 

 

urpark

Edited August 16, 2015 by uRpark

[Zettman]

yep, Sims are a special game-category. Many things have changed since FS98 Though, 6 cores à 3,5Ghz made a solid impression in the first place to me. Would had never thought its THAT kind of a hungry game

 

By the way, the only Intel which would had been in the same price category (~100€), would had been the Intel® Core™ i3-4130 with two cores. But I'm no Hardware-Crack, so I just compared the amount of cores, smiled and ordered the AMD Well, It's easy to be wise after the event.

 

 

 

 

 

I tried out turning that off, sadly it didnt brought any change. The only option left with my current configuration is propably overclocking and saving money for a new CPU. Or change the game by myself using all available cores 

Any suggestions for a CPU which can handle stable 40-60fps while normal gameplay?

 

Thanks a lot guys for your replys so far! 

 

urpark

 

I have that with my 4960X at 4 GHz, my overclocked 4820K at 4.6 GHz manged nearly stable 60 FPS at all times. I guess any normal Intel Quadcore can be overclocked to atleast 4.2 to 4.3 GHz many even higher. So go with a cheap i5 and overclock it moderately if you play exclusively this game. If you play any other AAA games go with a mainstream i7. No need to go for the LGA 2011 CPUs like I did (mostly because I wanted the 4o PCIe lanes).

 

Zettman

[I./JG62_froNt]

Hey Zettman, 

 

thanks for your reply.

 

Your CPU (your whole system actually) seem very High End I use this PC exclusively for gaming, so I think I will try it with a cheaper i5. Unlike Flight Simulations, other games normally dont need so much CPU capacity, so that should be fine. My AMD's doing already really good with "normal" games actually.

 

You didn't built up your system only for IL2 i guess? :D

Edited August 16, 2015 by uRpark

[Dakpilot]

Any Intel from 2500k generation onwards is sufficient, a half decent MB and a simple overclock and your good

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[Maico]

Guys Really!

  Lets stay on topic and try to help uRpack out.  Buddy, you got a nice system. A 3.5 should run BoS like a Boss (lol). Sokol1 is right as usual.    Im not a AMD fan but still think it should run BoS.   These slowdowns are probably due to software and not hardware.  First off let me say More is not better.  What I mean by this is that you are better off to Play the game than to have it look Soooo pretty.  Heat could also be a problem

 

Things that I suggest. 

1.  Try reinstall of your OS if it has been more than a year or if you run a lot of crap on your system.  Be honest with yourself, if it has been a while... I use my gaming PC ONLY for gaming.

2.  Lower the all game Nvidia card settings to application controlled.  This Helped Me greatly when I started with BoS.  AA set in game to 2.  Start with LOW settings and see if you can run the game first.

3.  MAKE Sure your Pc is running cool.  Use a utility to check temperatures.  Then you could avoid frying something.  Are you in a warm room?  Is the inside of your PC look like a rats nest(I have seen this happen).  Run the utility. 

4. Take a few hours and days to diagnose what Is Really going on. 

 

Good Luck and let us know how it goes.

[I./JG62_froNt]

Hey Maico, thanks for your reply!

 

Don't be so hard at the other guys. This thread already helped me out! 
Mprhead described having the same problem as me with an even better CPU!

 

 

First off let me say More is not better.  What I mean by this is that you are better off to Play the game than to have it look Soooo pretty.

 

That is the thing, I would do fine lowering the graphics if it would improve my performance! But the case is, there is no improvement at all. Low Graphics with everything turned off compared to Ultra Quality everything maxed out makes a total difference of about 5 FPS average maybe.

I overclocked my CPU yesterday for testing from 3,5Ghz to 3,7Ghz and I had FPS from 20 - 40 in Multiplayer. I experienced a little improvement I think, but I need to do more tests to actually be able to tell how much difference it makes and how high I can get. Temperatures still very good while palying (40-50°C)

 

Furthermore, this is a simulation and I want to run it like one.
I wanna look into the sun through the clouds and be like  "so beautiful"

Still know the FS98 time, 17 years ago. CLOUDS WERE FUCKIN CUBES! Everything looked like shit, really. Im so happy this is over

 

 

Try reinstall of your OS if it has been more than a year or if you run a lot of crap on your system.  Be honest with yourself, if it has been a while... I use my gaming PC ONLY for gaming.

 

I am honest with myself indeed  For work I use a powerful MacbookPro and that is the reason I got myself a PC.
First I want to "save" the MBP for working tasks and being honest, you can play Games on OSX but Windows still is the thing.
So I built up this system and the only "Crap" is running here, are games.

 

IL2 was the second game I installed after Witcher:Wild Hunt So, it is pretty clean.

 

 

2.  Lower the all game Nvidia card settings to application controlled. 

 

Good call! I'm going to try that out running everything application controlled!

Letting you know, if it changes anything.

 

 

Are you in a warm room?  Is the inside of your PC look like a rats nest(I have seen this happen). 

 

During Summer it got warmer of course, but temperatures still okay. System running for 6 Months now, the little dust in there I already cleaned out (doin that every 6 months anyway with my Laptop).

No rats nests (you must be kidding me? ) or Bug Colonies discovered yet.
Temperatures are being controlled of course during overclocking.

 

 

4. Take a few hours and days to diagnose what Is Really going on.

 

That is what I did before I came here Sir 

 

I researched and already tried some things out. My last hope for a noticeable change actually was the SSAO Option being able to turn off. But that didn't solved anything sadly.

 

So I came here because I was at my wits end and was wondering where the fuckin bottleneck should be.

 

 

urpark.

Edited August 17, 2015 by uRpark

[LLv44_Mprhead]

That is the thing, I would do fine lowering the graphics if it would improve my performance! But the case is, there is no improvement at all. Low Graphics with everything turned off compared to Ultra Quality everything maxed out makes a total difference of about 5 FPS average maybe.

I overclocked my CPU yesterday for testing from 3,5Ghz to 3,7Ghz and I had FPS from 20 - 40 in Multiplayer. I experienced a little improvement I think, but I need to do more tests to actually be able to tell how much difference it makes and how high I can get. Temperatures still very good while palying (40-50°C)

 

This is just like it was for me. I think that single thread performance is pretty much the same with all FX processors running at similar speed. So judging by my experience you should get playable fps around 4GHz. Ofc there might be some other things you can do to improve things, like Maico suggested.

[TWC_Ace]

Any Intel from 2500k generation onwards is sufficient, a half decent MB and a simple overclock and your good

 

Cheers Dakpilot

pssst dont tell anyone but this sim works great on old i7920 overclocked at 4.0Ghz and GTX 670 2GB...and that is on 1920x1200 monitor

 

 

[-=PHX=-Satch]

My experience:

 

My old CPU was a AMD 1090T x6 3.2 ghz (Overclockeed to 4.0 Ghz).

Now i have buy a Intel 4790k x4 4.0 GHZ.

 

Il2-BOS now is a dream, 60 fps in all situations in ULTRA. With the AMD CPU aroud 40 fps in MEDIUM (30fps in airfields)

[SYN_Mike77]

I have the 4 core AMD chip that shipped at 3.8 mhz.  I have it overclocked to 4.3 mhz and no problems.  I've been running it that way for  a year now.  Generally you can overclock AMD chips a healthy amount.

 

Ps:  My chip is liquid cooled so that may help with the overclocking!

[kissklas]

Like blackram_ I am running a first gen i7 (960 at 4.2) with no problem at all.

 

The AMD FX 6300 should have more or less the same performance as a second gen Intel (on paper anyways)
However, these AMD 6 core processors does not have hyper threading, so it should be running on 6 physical cores only, unlike the i7 which runs on 4 cores each with 2 threads. So virtually 8 cores.

This might give different results in certain games.

 

I am however pretty sure I tested IL-2 BoS at work on a 6 core AMD. At standard clock, with decent results.
Like Mike77 says, these CPUs will overclock quite a bit, so you could try that. Also check your temps to make sure it's not just running hot. Make sure that the OS is running ok. A clean format could be the cure, if it's been a few years since last time.

 

best,

Klas

[LLv44_Mprhead]

pssst dont tell anyone but this sim works great on old i7920 overclocked at 4.0Ghz and GTX 670 2GB...and that is on 1920x1200 monitor

 

 

 

Like blackram_ I am running a first gen i7 (960 at 4.2) with no problem at all.

 

 

Even the first generation i7 processors have pretty decent single thread performance. Actually even at stock speeds i7 950 tends to best FX 6300 in almost everything and FX 8350 pulls ahead only when all the cores are used. So it's really no wonder that if you have 900-series i7 clocked to around 4 or more you can run BoS with no problems. Based on my on experience and what others have said in this thread and others I would say that if you are using AMD FX processor you will need to overclock it about 4GHz to get BoS running at decent level. Luckily FX cpus can be overclocked to quite high GHz, so it should not be that big a problem.

[Oubaas]

I'm running both Rise of Flight and IL2 Sturmovik: Battle of Stalingrad full blast, with high res texture mods in RoF, with this rig:

 

AMD Phenom II X 1090T CPU at 3.2 GHz

16GB DDR3

R9280X-DC2 TOP at 1070MHz

TrackIR 5 with lastest software

 

The only thing that I notice is, my framerate drops if I enable supersampling.  Not horribly, but enough so I see a little stickiness if there's a lot going on.  So I use the in-game regular AA at maximum setting on both titles with all available eye candy at 2560 x 1440 resolution, and both sims look great on my 60-inch HDTV and 27-inch side monitor.  Smooth as silk even in a big dogfight.  And if there's a difference between supersampling and the regular in-game AA at maximum, I can't see it.

Edited August 18, 2015 by Oubaas

[I./JG62_froNt]

Well, I overclocked my CPU now from 3,5Ghz to 3,8Ghz and goin to test this Setting over the next days to check out how temperatures behave while Im in IL2. But I cannot go much higher propably, cause the CPU ist installed only with the standard fan you get with the package and this thing's just not made for this.

 

Didn't brought a noticeable difference so far though. In multiplayer I get around 20FPS in parking position and that rises up when I flying to 30-40FPS. Still pretty low and spotting ground units gives me headaches But it works.

 

And instead of paying money for a better fan to overclock the cpu even more, I rather save money gettin a better CPU I think. 

 

For the AMD Phenom II I would need a different MB, cause mine runs with the AM3+ basement.

 

 

 

Make sure that the OS is running ok. A clean format could be the cure, if it's been a few years since last time.

 

Clean system IL2 was the very first thing I installed.

 

Thanks y'all for your help. I really appreciate this forum for this, should spend some more time here

 

Take care,

urpark

Edited August 19, 2015 by uRpark

[Maico]

Well, I overclocked my CPU now from 3,5Ghz to 3,8Ghz and goin to test this Setting over the next days to check out how temperatures behave while Im in IL2. But I cannot go much higher propably, cause the CPU ist installed only with the standard fan you get with the package and this thing's just not made for this.

 

Didn't brought a noticeable difference so far though. In multiplayer I get around 20FPS in parking position and that rises up when I flying to 30-40FPS. Still pretty low and spotting ground units gives me headaches But it works.

 

And instead of paying money for a better fan to overclock the cpu even more, I rather save money gettin a better CPU I think. 

 

For the AMD Phenom II I would need a different MB, cause mine runs with the AM3+ basement.

 

 

 

 

Clean system IL2 was the very first thing I installed.

 

Thanks y'all for your help. I really appreciate this forum for this, should spend some more time here

 

Take care,

urpark

  Ok, you do well to take advice.  I am curious to know if this fixed your problems.  As I said, your CPU should run this game stock.  But please let us know what is happening.