Disappointed and annoyed

[avlSteve]

I had to unplug my saitek throttle quadrant and plug it back in.  And sure enough, just as I knew it would, now BOS thinks my rudder is my joystick and vice-versa and all of that horse dung. 

 

I will not re-map this thing again.  I swapped the plugs in different usb ports a couple of times, and eventually I suppose that will work (that's what eventually worked the last time this happened), but it's a royal pain and makes me want to destroy something.

 

And while my mood is foul, let me mention the f'n "IL2 Sturmovik has stopped working" and mouse cursor has also disappeared on exit every single time bug is seriously stale, and an absolute embarrassment. 

 

So much for trying out the Macchi and the new distance views settings.  

 

 

 

Edit:  Okay, one more usb/plug swap fixed the main issue.    

Edited August 14, 2015 by avlSteve

[indiaciki]

win 7 64?

[avlSteve]

10, but it's happened to me in 7 pro and 8.1 as well.

 

It's fixed for me now by swapping out the usb/plugs again.  And I didn't throw the system out the window this time (like I did with that 386 back in '94).

Edited August 14, 2015 by avlSteve

[Potenz]

I use win 7 saitek x52, pro throttle quadrant and rudder and have no issues with mapping, maybe you have some driver or hardware problems

[Habu]

10, but it's happened to me in 7 pro and 8.1 as well.

 

It's fixed for me now by swapping out the usb/plugs again.  And I didn't throw the system out the window this time (like I did with that 386 back in '94).

It's not link to the game, it's windows which change the number of the peripheral.

 

For exemple :

 

in windows

Number 1 : X 52   --- > In game it will be define as Joy 1

Number 2 : Quadrant ---- > In game it will be define as Joy 2

Number 3 : Rudder. ---- > In game it will be define as Joy 3

 

But if windows change the order

Number 1 : rudder   --- > In game it will be define as Joy 1

Number 2 : joystick ---- > In game it will be define as Joy 2

Number 3 : quadrant. ---- > In game it will be define as Joy 3

 

So as you see, the key binding will change with the windows number.

 

If you add a peripheral, it can be add instead of one, so you have to rebind the key in game, even if you don't change the USB port.

 

Adding a trackIR can change the order like this (exemple) :

 

Number 1 : rudder   --- > In game it will be define as Joy 1

Number 2 : joystick ---- > In game it will be define as Joy 2

Number 3 : Track IR. ---- > In game it will be define as Joy 3

Number 3 : quadrant. ---- > In game it will be define as Joy 4

[Blooddawn1942]

I have a similar issue. Since I upgeaded to Win10 the asignment of my game controlers is screwed up.

My Warthog Throttle is now No.5 and though it will not be recognized from Il2-46 because there are only 4 controllers supportet.I tryed pluging them in and out in different orders but after the restart the old asignment was there again with my throttle at No.5...

Annoying!

[Finkeren]

I truly hate this issue. It has forced me to completely remap my controls twice.

 

I see it as more of a Windows problem than a problem with the sim though.

[Guest deleted@50488]

Never experienced such weird phenomena on win 7, 8 or now 10 por, but I remember having had a few issues sometime ago with Aerowinx PSX that were solved the moment I gave up using a wireless keyboard and mouse. Thei Human Interface Drivers interfered with my Saiteks, and caused similar effects.

 

Just my 2 cents, although win 8 is well known for having that controller configuration bug, mentioned in zillions of threads at AVSIM... Win 10 is supposed to have fixed it :-/

[[DBS]TH0R]

I truly hate this issue. It has forced me to completely remap my controls twice.

 

I see it as more of a Windows problem than a problem with the sim though.

 

It is as much a sim problem as win one. There is only one sim that couldn't care less which order you plug in your gear in that I know of. BoS and old IL21946 aren't one of them.

[Blooddawn1942]

You are refering to DCS. It really don't cares in which order the controllers are pluged in. It will recognice them and asign the given mapping. But with BoS, RoF and CloD I needed to re-asign the maping because after the upgrade from Win 7 to 10 some of my devices appeared in a different order then before the upgrade. And nothing what I've tried could change the given order leaving my throttle on No.5 in the row and therefore useless in 46 and SC unless I unplug one of my other devices.

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

Had same issue when changed from win 7 to win 8.1, i found one file in input folder and did find and replace all swaped joy-s entrys. It worked

[spud3030]

Happened to me as well, I was rather perturbed!, my fix was to remove the controllers plug the stick back in, arc up the game and make sure it was joystick0, bomb out, reboot and plug the pedals, they came up as joystick1 thankfully.. windoz issue, and really pissed me off!! good luck spud

[KpaxBos]

Had same issue when changed from win 7 to win 8.1, i found one file in input folder and did find and replace all swaped joy-s entrys. It worked

Hi,

 

Which file ?

Thanks for helping.

[avlSteve]

Had same issue when changed from win 7 to win 8.1, i found one file in input folder and did find and replace all swaped joy-s entrys. It worked

 

You must be talking about the current.actions file under data/input.  Replace a device entry with a placeholder, i.e. joy1 with j*o*y*1, then replace joy2 with joy1, then j*o*y*1 with joy2.  Or something similar, depending on the situation.  Does seem like it would work.  

 

Nice find, thanks!

[KpaxBos]

You must be talking about the current.actions file under data/input.  Replace a device entry with a placeholder, i.e. joy1 with j*o*y*1, then replace joy2 with joy1, then j*o*y*1 with joy2.  Or something similar, depending on the situation.  Does seem like it would work.  

 

Nice find, thanks!

In the input folder, I have 5 files with "joyX" in them :

 

current.actions

current.map

default.actions

default.map

input.map

 

Have I to modify all those files ? Or only one and which one ?

 

Have fun

[avlSteve]

In the input folder, I have 5 files with "joyX" in them :

 

current.actions

current.map

default.actions

default.map

input.map

 

Have I to modify all those files ? Or only one and which one ?

 

Have fun

 

Good point.  Probably current.actions, current.map, and input.map.  Pure guess that the two default ones are for resetting the default values.

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

Only current.actions was enough.

[wellenbrecher]

Same "issue".

Actually the reason why I simply do not unplug my 360 pad even though it messes with so many games' control schemes or randomly starts the rumble. Simply can't be bothered to rebind all the bloody games that use the stick...

[simplyjames]

I have this issue like apparently everyone does too. I believe windows assigns the joy# based on order plugged in. So if you know that the stick is joy1 for example, plug that in first and so on. Remapping is a huge pain.

[FuriousMeow]

I have this issue like apparently everyone does too.

 

I don't, but might be my devices. I have Saitek X55 and Saitek Pro Combat Pedals, both by same mfg so maybe they have persistent reservation. Win7 64bit, latest Windows updates.

[duko]

This is why i love the CH software, fresh install windows, i just load profile and ready to go 

[wellenbrecher]

I don't, but might be my devices. I have Saitek X55 and Saitek Pro Combat Pedals, both by same mfg so maybe they have persistent reservation. Win7 64bit, latest Windows updates.

Nay, I have the EXACT same setup and it still buggers it up when I plug one in or out.

[FuriousMeow]

Nay, I have the EXACT same setup and it still buggers it up when I plug one in or out.

 

That's odd, then it isn't what I thought. I'll check my setup tomorrow and see what I can find. I use the same USB ports, when I unplug and replug, on the motherboard. I do have one USB port extender but my stick, throttle and pedals are plugged directly into the mobo USB ports. AsRock Z87 Extreme 3 mobo.

 

I'll do some tests tomorrow, but never had the problem with RoF or BoS.

[avlSteve]

Only current.actions was enough.

 

Sweet!

[VBF-12_Stick-95]

This is only an issue if you map DirectX buttons directly into the game.  if you map keyboard characters to throttle/joystick buttons you will avoid the whole issue.

[KpaxBos]

Only current.actions was enough.

Thanks, I will modify this one. Pretty much for the 45°/135 ... of POV which I cannot easily remap (difficult to activate exactly this part of the POV switch).

 

This is why i love the CH software, fresh install windows, i just load profile and ready to go 

I have a full CH set up (FS,PT,TQ,PP,MFD + controlmanager). But the problem occurs. May be I should reinstall all the devices.

 

"""

This is only an issue if you map DirectX buttons directly into the game.  if you map keyboard characters to throttle/joystick buttons you will avoid the whole issue.

"""

 

Yes but axis are incorrect. That is my main issue (and also for the POV button and 'corner' (45°) position!)

 

Thanks for the infos.

Edited August 15, 2015 by KpaxBos

[-TBC-AeroAce]

I had this problem as I have a wired Xbox controller that I plug in and out depending on what game I play. If I use the Xbox controller I need to unplug and restart to reorder the devices. Kinda annoying but quite simple for me to fix

[FuriousMeow]

Can't replicate it myself. I can unplug and replug and still, controllers remain. I use the in-game assignment, not the Saitek software.

Edited August 17, 2015 by FuriousMeow

[Shakey60]

Since win 10 upgrade, I've had to remap several times now. Things were good for the last week or so, after remapping twice right after the win10 update.

 

Now last night I turned the computer on and all the joy assignments: JOY1, JOY2, etc. were in different orders. So, remap again, boot up this morning and assignments are different again. Win10 also did an update this morning so this may be the cause.

 

Very frustrating!

[SR-F_Winger]

Since win 10 upgrade, I've had to remap several times now. Things were good for the last week or so, after remapping twice right after the win10 update.

 

Now last night I turned the computer on and all the joy assignments: JOY1, JOY2, etc. were in different orders. So, remap again, boot up this morning and assignments are different again. Win10 also did an update this morning so this may be the cause.

 

Very frustrating!

I sometimes have that too. If that happens you should just doublecheck if all of your USB devices have been properly recognized.

I have all my joysticks on a hub. And when this happens i just turn it off and on again and  et voila all devices get recognized properly and then the game recognizes all devices in the right order it knows em.

[Shakey60]

No hub here, but all peripherals ie; warthog joy/throttle, Saitek combat rudder pedals, Thrustmaster MFD's left/right show as O.K. in the control panel, they are just assigned different "JOY" numbers.

 

Perhaps I'll buy a hub and see if this fixes it. Am getting a new rig this fall anyway as mine is pretty old.

 

Thanks for the suggestion Winger

 

S.

[SharpeXB]

I just decided to wipe my whole PC and upgrade. Let's see if writing down all the joystick numbers helps when I reconnect them in Windows 10.

[Jupp]

~S~ Everyone,

 

F10, that's a keyboard button... (heh).

 

Seeing the intrusive and ridiculous direction Operating Systems are now going it's the end of an era for me.

 

I won't be updating from Windows 7, and when nothing is compatible anymore, or this system dies, I'm out.

 

It was a good run. I won't be limping into the future of Forced Updates and Remote Scans, of my Hardware.

 

So, "Disappointed and Annoyed", sure am, at Microsoft and the whole matter of the future this brings to us.

 

From Those About to Quit We Salute You,

 

!S -Jupp-  

Edited August 18, 2015 by Jupp

[Buglord]

I upgraded to windows 10 & it swapped all my joystick settings around, just had to re map them.