For those in doubt about the ground handling physics in the 109s...

[Guest deleted@50488]

Watch this video ( specially starting 1:54 ) and you'll easily conclude how close to the real  thing our Il2 BoS 109s behave!

 

 

It's PERFECT now, as we can easily observe while this beautiful 109 G2 performs it's taxi tests, and even if at release time there were some problems with the ground physics model, it looks as close to real as possible in a PC-based sim now !!!

 

Add to it the way IL2 BoS models control forces ( stiffening ) with increasing dynamic pressure, damage models ( of all sorts ), even stall and spin behavior,... and, I can't think of anything better :-)

 

Congrats 1C / 777 

Edited August 13, 2015 by jcomm

[6./ZG26_Emil]

I always liked the ground handling in BOS 

[SharpeXB]

The best advice for ground handling I saw in one of those WWII training films is:

"As soon as you start a turn, start stopping it".

[Guest deleted@50488]

The best advice for ground handling I saw in one of those WWII training films is:

"As soon as you start a turn, start stopping it".

 

A very good advice, but one that can only produce it's virtual effects when a flight simulator is able to correctly reproduce the ground physics and ... Il2 BoS certainly IS one such sim, and I do apply that technique while taxiing any of the aircraft models in it, with success.

Edited August 13, 2015 by jcomm

[Finkeren]

I love ground handling in BoS as well, even though I still can't wrap my head around the Fw 190 (please don't try to teach me either, I have tried and failed all the different tips and tricks)

 

You definately have that sense of mass and rolling drag (is it called that?) that's missing from most flight sims.

[SharpeXB]

I love ground handling in BoS as well, even though I still can't wrap my head around the Fw 190 (please don't try to teach me either, I have tried and failed all the different tips and tricks)

 

Defininitly the axiom above is the key to handling the 190. When you unlock the tail wheel to turn by centering the stick, first remember that the prop tourque will require the right rudder if you gun it too hard. Just tap the inner brake but don't hold it. The films tell you that holding the inside brake makes you turn too sharp and damages the tire. As soon as your turn starts, tap the opposite brake. Also remember that taxi speed is at a walking pace. We all taxi too fast to get into action but the real pilots take it slow.

 

These Robert Taylor films are the best.

http://youtu.be/zMNf7117fUQ

Edited August 13, 2015 by SharpeXB

[andyw248]

At some point I actually thought the ground handling in BoS was good enough that it should be advertised as a taxi simulation

[Xenunjeon88]

At some point I actually thought the ground handling in BoS was good enough that it should be advertised as a taxi simulation

In Soviet Russia, taxis fly YUUUUUU!!!

[indiaciki]

I can't taxi soviet aircraft. That's the only reason i don' fly them. Could somebody help me?

[SharpeXB]

I can't taxi soviet aircraft. That's the only reason i don' fly them. Could somebody help me?

They handle the same as any other tail dragger plane. Some don't have lockable tail wheels though (LaGG 3 & La 5 I think) so they're a little tougher. Watch the Robert Taylor film above, it will explain everything.

The Russian and now the MC.202 brakes work by a lever (joystick button) on the stock and then your pedals will activate them R or L.

Edited August 14, 2015 by SharpeXB

[indiaciki]

It's the breakes I don't get.  Thnanks ! I think even the MiG 21 has brakes like that so do Wassmer GA aviation A/C only without the differntial braking.

Edited August 14, 2015 by indiaciki

[LukeFF]

The Bf 109 manuals recommend giving a very brief blast of power in order to initiate a turn on the ground. I have found this works very well and prevents the plane from ground-looping with the tailwheel unlocked.

[StickMan]

I can't taxi soviet aircraft. That's the only reason i don' fly them. Could somebody help me?

Do it slowly at first, walking speed practically and you'll be fine. With the amount of snow on the field would you drive your car as fast as most attempt to taxi aircraft on those taxiways?

[Guest deleted@50488]

The Bf 109 manuals recommend giving a very brief blast of power in order to initiate a turn on the ground. I have found this works very well and prevents the plane from ground-looping with the tailwheel unlocked.

 

Yes, this works very plausibly in il2 bos, and is also used after landing the trickier La-5 and LagG3, while using the rudder to stay in the rw as we slow, without ground looping.

 

"Washing" the tail surfaces works beautifully in il2 bos, just like IRL, bringing them to life :-)

[StickMan]

Yes, this works very plausibly in il2 bos, and is also used after landing the trickier La-5 and LagG3, while using the rudder to stay in the rw as we slow, without ground looping.

 

"Washing" the tail surfaces works beautifully in il2 bos, just like IRL, bringing them to life :-)

This works like a charm. You have to "fly" a tail-dragger all the way to the hangar. I tried to tell some guys this but I think they remain unconvinced. Also we are operating on slick surfaces that would be a challenge for a 4 wheeled vehicle let alone a tail-dragger. I think some of the guys here live in very mild climates and never had to experience snow packed roads. Edited August 16, 2015 by GeneralZod

[SharpeXB]

Also we are operating on slick surfaces that would be a challenge for a 4 wheeled vehicle let alone a tail-dragger.

I hope that when we get the summer maps we discover that we've indeed been driving around on slick roads. Because if that's the case BoS is awesome. It's cool if you park on a slope and your plane starts sliding down it.

[Guest deleted@50488]

This thread should actually extend to the many other features that "plague" IL2-BoS flight and overall physics modeling, and are IMO usnique among all the sims I have used, and provide me with what I already consider, by far, the best flight simulation experience I ever had.

 

With the excellent graphics and additional smoothness at ULTRA settings I am now able to enjoy even more the immersion provided by BoS. I have used some time, thanks to the suggestions given by some of you regarding the use of the mission editor to set various weather scenarios, to test aspects like aircraft behavior under extreme crosswind conditions, atmospheric density, etc..., and all tests I have performed turned Il2 BoS into my only prop sim.

 

I too look fwd for the Easter and Summer maps and trying operation from grass and other types of fields !

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Agree on most points. Still not totally satisfied with the 190 handling but glad it has been tuned at least a bit to the better.

 

One thing worth to note from the video above is sth I rarely see people doing. In the video the pilot constantly pulls the elevator while taxing straight and around corners. By doing so the prop's thrust helps to press the tail wheel down making it more stable and less prone to turn freely.

 

This technique also works very well for all planes ingame exept the 190 and is very important to use for russian planes with no tailwheel lock. It also enables you to taxi the 109 wihtout ever locking your tailwheel if handled carefully.