German teams... why ?

[L3Pl4K]

Another nice evening, most Luftwaffe pilots, fly 109 or 190. Most of them, fly over the map and do "important" contrail painting in the sky or do something else. Maybe 3 or 4 trying to bomb enemy targets. If you ask in chat some pilots for protection, few try to help. I say thank you. If i ask to destroy AA on enemy targets......... .To the fighter only pilots of Luftwaffe. I could be advantageous, to clear airspace over enemey tragets and protect bombers. If you believe or not, mostly after bombing a target, the red pilots come to destroy the "evil" german JU87 or He111. So you must not search for them.... sounds good? Good for bomberpilots and a chance for you  to shoot down a fighter. If no bomber ask for clearing the airspace, you could destroy aa over enemy targets to save the "life" of ground attackers. Whitout AA, a He111 with 2 big Birthday present is maximum carnage. Maybe you can fly with a bomb, and stir up trouble. If we do this, we have a good chance to win. If we do not, the reds win again and again and again and again.......

Edited August 29, 2015 by Leplak

[Y-29.Silky]

Maybe you can fly with a bomb, and stir up trouble. If we do this, we have a good chance to win. If we do not, the reds win again and again and again and again.......

 

 

When I joined the server yesterday, the Luftwaffe only had one more objective left while the Russians had 5 (very surprising). The two Germans who had about ~60 and ~50 ground kills respectively, left the server. I mentioned to the fighters to help us out with the last objective since it's not that hard to bring a 250kg, drop it on the last objective and carry on to the dogfighting.. 

But nope. The Blonde Knight of Germany never bombed either.

We lost after the VVS came back destroying 5 objectives when we only had 1 the whole time.

Edited August 29, 2015 by Y-29.Silky

[Willy__]

Why dont you grab some 111's and bomb from altitude ? Last time I played I stumbled across a formation of four 111's, they all were flying at around 4-5k, do you know how many escorts they had ? 8. EIGHT! You know why they had that many escorts ? Because they CLIMB. I'm not diving down on the deck to defend some hugging tree bomber, especially on prime times with the server full. I guarantee you, the moment you dive below 4-5k alt, there will be a russian diving on you. The russians are complaining that the germans dont go low, but the moment I go 5k or lower I always get bounced by a russian with energy. 

Edited August 29, 2015 by istruba

[L3Pl4K]

@ Silky..

 

When I joined the server yesterday, the Luftwaffe only had one more objective left while the Russians had 5 (very surprising). The two Germans who had about ~60 and ~50 ground kills respectively, left the server. I mentioned to the fighters to help us out with the last objective since it's not that hard to bring a 250kg, drop it on the last objective and carry on to the dogfighting.. But nope. The Blonde Knight of Germany never bombed either. We lost after the VVS came back destroying 5 objectives when we only had 1 the whole time.

  I know.. i play this mission to. The Team Luftwaffe has earned this defeat.

Edited August 29, 2015 by Leplak

[7.GShAP/Silas]

The fetish for a-historical dogfighting divorced from reality and always ALWAYS only on your own terms is something that very strongly afflicts the Luftwaffe playerbase, and always has. This is all the more ridiculous because the actual men flew how and when they had to, and were not in a position to always dictate the terms of the engagement, nor was the preservation of their own lives the primary objective.

 

The "real war" is down on the ground, and everything happening in the air is in a supportive capacity to that effort.  If sims made a greater effort to emphasize that to players, maybe things would be different.

[Y-29.Silky]

Why dont you grab some 111's and bomb from altitude ? 

 

That sounds more like an organized flight to me. Very rare have I ever seen that. I've been flying the He-111 often never going under 3000m. I know you escort but I'm lucky if I even get 1 otherwise.. Then I'll just get jumped a couple miles out from the airfield.

Edited August 29, 2015 by Y-29.Silky

[Wulf]

Back in IL-2 '46, which I used to play on the old War Clouds server, the Axis side would win the ground pounding war more often than not.   This was done almost exclusively using FW 190 A series aircraft.

 

The big difference between IL-2 '46 on War Clouds and BoS on WoL is the absence of a strong Team Speak culture on the latter.  I never really got into TS all that much because I'm not really a 'joiner' but the simple fact is that TS makes all the difference in the world.  It would only take 6-8 guys (4-5 would probably do it) in 190's, on TS, to rule in BoS.  I have no doubts about that whatever but right now, certainly when I play on WoL, there is very little organization directed at winning the map.  I suspect, eventually, a bunch of regulars will collaborate to his end but right now it just doesn't seem to happen for some reason.

 

The other thing to remember about ground pounding with a team is that because you'll get 'interference' from the locals on about half the targets you attack, you'll get all the A to A opportunities you could possibly want .

Edited August 30, 2015 by Wulf

[=EXPEND=Tripwire]

Communications are a key part I agree. Friday night I was flying with DendoAspis, and there were 15 red pilots on TS out of the 30 on their side. There was only 3 blue pilots on TS not including ourselves which due to language barriers, were in a different channel.

Coordination at that level makes a big difference to the success of one side.

 

I also think that something else is being overlooked.

 

The red side has ground attack aircraft that are currently more survivable/flexible in their roles. This attracts a large portion of the pilots that are inclined to perform ground attack roles to join the red side. I foresee a big change to the amount of ground attack pilots on blue once the 110 and Ju88 are in game.

 

Personally I like the He111 and high alt level bombing, but getting from the ground up to at least 3.5 - 4km so you don't get torn apart on your bomb run by flak takes a lot of time and can be less intensive than flying a fighter. I have no desire to fly the He111 at low alt.

 

 

 

I mentioned to the fighters to help us out with the last objective since it's not that hard to bring a 250kg, drop it on the last objective and carry on to the dogfighting..

 

That is true, yet the remaining bomb rack on the 109 increases the drag and reduces speed.

When I get bounced by a Yak in the 109G2, I need all the speed I can get. If I manage to evade the first few shots and bring the Yak to Co E - that speed is what provides the ability to extend, buy time for a wing man to clear my 6, or start to climb and build the required advantage to re-engage successfully. That bomb rack will reduce survival chances.

 

Being the last target though, and with a lack of any dedicated ground attack planes - I'm surprised no-one attempted to help out. Perhaps language barriers might have been an issue (remembering WOL is a Russian based server)?

[=EXPEND=Dendro]

TS! Friday night... 11 russians ..... 2 LW. No cooperation, no communication..... LOSE.

[TWC_Ace]

TS! Friday night... 11 russians ..... 2 LW. No cooperation, no communication..... LOSE.

Which server? Must be very late in the night. Usually on WOL its balanced more or less. But we desperatelly need COOP mode and some historical or semihistorical mission/online battles events...and SEOW..

Edited August 30, 2015 by blackram_

[=EXPEND=Tripwire]

Being late in the night obviously depends on where you are located. Late in the night for me, probably not for you. 1600 GMT (midnight for me).

Edited August 30, 2015 by Tripwire

[Y-29.Silky]

 

That is true, yet the remaining bomb rack on the 109 increases the drag and reduces speed.

 

Seriously?  That's a very, very weak excuse knowing the Stuka/111 pilots have to do it with a quarter of the horse power the 109's have.

 

 

 

You still will have an advantage over the Russians. It's time for me to start a YouTube Channel. 

 

 

Edited August 30, 2015 by Y-29.Silky

[Feathered_IV]

I find that the German side doesn't have any interesting ground attack aircraft, so I tend to fly Red which is much better provided for. If a good character aircraft like the Henschel 123 or 129 were released I'd be very quick to change sides.

[ShamrockOneFive]

I find that the German side doesn't have any interesting ground attack aircraft, so I tend to fly Red which is much better provided for. If a good character aircraft like the Henschel 123 or 129 were released I'd be very quick to change sides.

The Bf110E will hopefully change some minds on Luftwaffe ground attack... I'm excited

[[CPT]milopugdog]

I flew a Ju-87 today, a 190 was nice enough to try to escort me. Of course, he wasn't there when I got jumped by a Yak.

I did hit my target though. 

I'm definitely looking forward to that 110, it'll probably be more like a German IL-2 for me. 

[Trinkof]

"The LW does not have good attacker right now" .... 

The 190 no ? I had so much fun on ground attack today with it !!! Only target resisting it are basically tanks. The 500 Bomb is really awesome for anything, arty postision trucks AAA are just ealy killed by the 20's, it can defend itself much better than any IL2... has plenty of ammo, is really hard to kill (not as much as the sturmvik but still ...)

I really like more ground attack in a 190 than in an IL2 ... and at the end, the number of destroyed targets is roughly the same. 

 

Edited August 30, 2015 by LAL_Trinkof

[Dakpilot]

Was the 190's main function on the Eastern front not Ground attack?

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[Azref]

Was the 190's main function on the Eastern front not Ground attack?

 

Cheers Dakpilot

Nothing like the feeling of dive bombing in the 190, then finding something intresting to shoot down when heading home.

[=CFC=Conky]

Yup, the 190 is a pretty good mud mover.

[=EXPEND=Dendro]

I have been using the 190 for jabo and I like it. Once the 110 is here we will have a much improved ground attack option for the LW side......can't wait!

[Wulf]

I have been using the 190 for jabo and I like it. Once the 110 is here we will have a much improved ground attack option for the LW side......can't wait!

 

 

If you can organize your attacks in such a way that you never encounter enemy fighters, or alternatively, you can persuade a good number of Axis single-seaters to provide you with continuous cover, then sure, the 110 should be 'okay' in a strike role.  But if you do encounter enemy fighters without an escort, either on the way to or from the target; your going to be hung out to dry in very short order.  Realistically, you won't stand a snowball's chance in hell - and that's being optimistic. 

[=EXPEND=Dendro]

If you can organize your attacks in such a way that you never encounter enemy fighters, or alternatively, you can persuade a good number of Axis single-seaters to provide you with continuous cover, then sure, the 110 should be 'okay' in a strike role.  But if you do encounter enemy fighters without an escort, either on the way to or from the target; your going to be hung out to dry in very short order.  Realistically, you won't stand a snowball's chance in hell - and that's being optimistic. 

 

The general feeling is that the VVS pilots are definitely working together more to achieve the objectives. So.... IF the LW side cooperates more and we have an effective Ground attack with fighter cover in a coordinated effort then we will have a better chance at success. I agree with you 100% Wulf, I see you in the air every day, why don't you join Tripwire and myself on TS so we can run together.

 

The Heinkils also need to go in higher (3-4000m) with air cover above and I think we will have more success. TS again is key cos this typing and flying/spotting thing does not work.

 

~Salut~

[FTC_Etherlight]

If you can organize your attacks in such a way that you never encounter enemy fighters, or alternatively, you can persuade a good number of Axis single-seaters to provide you with continuous cover, then sure, the 110 should be 'okay' in a strike role.  But if you do encounter enemy fighters without an escort, either on the way to or from the target; your going to be hung out to dry in very short order.  Realistically, you won't stand a snowball's chance in hell - and that's being optimistic. 

 

I'm not sure I agree with you on this. I think having a flight of three or four 110's would already be a pretty effective way of doing stuff, even without strong fighter cover. Lemme just compare it to the StuKa: Whenever we form a flight of 3-5 in StuKas and are being engaged by fighters, we mostly form a wagon wheel (continuously turning in a pretty wide circle, staying on each others sixes) and had great success with that. Not saying that we were winning big engagements like that, but we would most likely take some fighters down with us doing this. In the 110 you will have even more options to clear a squadmates six, because of the better armament and speed. But yeah, you will certainly be at a significant disadvantage, for sure.

 

I think the Ju-88 will be much more of a gamechanger in terms of groundattack and bombing than the 110. It can divebomb, levelbomb, is faster than the Heinkel and absolutely more maneuverable while being able to carry a pretty serious payload. I think it will be the LW Pe-2...only better. ^^

[NachtJaeger110]

Inspired by this debate, I yesterday went on practicing He111 level bombing. The last time I did that was in the good old sim "B-17 Flying Fortress: The Mighty 8th" more than 13 years ago...

I never wanted to fly anything other than a fighter, but I thought man, german teams really do suck in destroying ground targets... so lets just look into it once.

 

After some YouTube tutorials (Requiem FTW!) and 2 hours of practicing in SP I could hit a Train from 5000 meters with 2 SC1800 (and I had all those cool He111 Skins )

I went up twice yesterday evening in MP, and twice the mission was over before I reached my target. I carried way too much fuel and climbing was a pain. The second time the red won just after I dropped I bombs on a russian facility, went back to menu while my bombs were falling 

Third time I missed a Train Yard with 16 SC50 by only a few meters... I guess because I didn't know the traget altitude.

 

But the point is... this was SO much fun and thrilling.. once a Yak came close but just didn't see me or was out of ammo. On my way home I got a nice guy as a gunner who even congratulated me for a good landing... Felt just awsome.. 

 

I can only recommend trying this for every pure fighterjock, it really gives you a different view of BOS.

 

I'm definitively going to do that more often and thereby hopefully helping the german Team

[=EXPEND=Dendro]

 

 

I think the Ju-88 will be much more of a gamechanger in terms of groundattack and bombing than the 110. It can divebomb, levelbomb, is faster than the Heinkel and absolutely more maneuverable while being able to carry a pretty serious payload. I think it will be the LW Pe-2...only better. ^^

 

Crikey! I forgot about the 88! Things are definitely looking up for the LW in BoS even though these are from BoM's planeset.

 

I also took gunpods on a 109 and hung around our targets to defend them and I had 2 good IL2 kills, each with a single pass. I was lucky though because I had no cover or wingmen. It all went pear-shaped when I tried to take on a LA-5 in a low level bust-up and ended up getting busted up.... 

[ShamrockOneFive]

I've forgotten about the Ju88 as well... We haven't seen anything from the development of that. I presume its still in the early stages and they haven't anything to show for it yet. It will definitely bolster the ground attack capabilities of the Luftwaffe side too. No doubt!

 

I'm curious what armaments will be made available for the 88.

[wtornado]

The German Luftwaffe made due with what it had.The game seems no different.

KG 53 would go on low level bombing and strafing missions to attack artillery and

infantry positions unescorted so I guess the game is set-up the same way.

 

KG 53 had to support the ground operations and their losses were extremely high.

 

So HE-111's with their 20mm nose gun used it for its original purpose to strafe

and removed later on because the newer aircraft stopped ground strafing all

together..

 

JU-88's had the same missions as the HE-111's in low level raids on enemy positions.

 

The Luftwaffe just did not have an aircraft for that role.

 

So fighters hide at high altitude and the bombers get nailed at low altitude trying to

precision bomb to move the ground missions along..

 

Here is the beauty of it.

 

The Russian fighters knew that the LW fighter pilots had to come down sooner

or later to help in the lower altitude battles to try and shift the ground battles by

supporting their proper ground offensives. 

 

The Luftwaffe so called ''fighter'' pilots were spoiled with the glorious days of high

altitude fighting over the Channel and Europe.

 

On the Russian front those days were over.

[=EXPEND=Dendro]

Maybe we need the Hs 129 B-3 at some stage. Only problem is the date for accuracy but if the YAKS can have uber flaps then the krauts can get 129's with Bordkanone and BMW 801 engines.

 

 

Hs 129 B-3

 

A close up of the Bordkanone BK 7,5 75 mm cannon.

By late 1942 reports were coming in about the ineffectiveness of the MK 103 against newer versions of the Soviet T-34 tanks. One obvious solution would be to use the larger Bordkanone BK 3,7 37 mm gun, recently adapted from the ground-based Flak 18. These guns had already been converted into underwing pod-mounted weapons for the Ju 87 and found to be a fearsome weapon, despite the fact that only 12 shells per pod could be accommodated. When mounted on the Hs 129, the empty area behind the cockpit could be used for ammunition storage, which would address the only problem with the Ju 87's mounting: the limited ammunition supply. Few Hs 129s were actually fitted with the 37mm cannon, however.

It was also decided that the semi-automatic Rheinmetall PaK 40 75 mm anti-tank gun, which had already been adapted for use in the Junkers Ju 88P-1, would be further modified for use in the Hs 129. This resulted in the Bordkanone BK 7,5, which, even though it weighed 1,200 kg (2,645 lb), was: lighter than the PaK 40 75 mm; fully automatic; featured a new, hydraulic recoil-dampening system and a new, more aerodynamic muzzle brake. An autoloader system, with 12 rounds in a rotary magazine, was fitted in the empty space behind the cockpit, within the rear half of the wing-root area. The gun and its recoil mechanism occupied a substantial gun pod under the fuselage, and a circular port at the rear of the pod allowed spent cartridges to be jettisoned immediately after firing. While this new variant, the Hs 129 B-3, was theoretically capable of destroying any tank in the world, the added weight worsened the aircraft's general performance and was inferior to previous variants.^[1]

The Bordkanone 7,5 was the heaviest and most powerful forward-firing weapon fitted to a production military aircraft during World War II. The only other aircraft to be factory-equipped with similar guns were the 1,420 examples of the North American B-25G and B-25H Mitchell, which mounted either a M4 cannon, or light-weight T13E1 or M5 versions of the same gun. These weapons, however were hand-loaded, had shorter barrels and/or a lower muzzle velocity than the BK 7,5, resulting in lesser ballistic performance, accuracy and rate of fire. (The Piaggio P.108A Artigliere was equipped with a 102 mm gun for the anti-shipping role, but only a single prototype of this aircraft was tested in 1943.) The BK 7,5 was unsurpassed as a production aircraft-fitted gun until 1971, when the four-engine Lockheed AC-130E Spectre – equipped with a sideways-aimed, hand-loaded 105 mm M102 howitzer of about 3,298 lb (1,496 kg) apiece – entered service with the U.S. Air Force. The 1,200 kg (2,645 lb) Bordkanone BK 7,5 cannon installation in the Hs 129B-3 was the heaviest forward-firing autocannon ever made for a series production military aircraft, until the introduction of the Fairchild Republic A-10 "Warthog", with its General Electric GAU-8 Avenger seven barrel 30mm caliber anti-tank Gatling cannon main armament coming in at a total weight of up to 1,830 kg (4,030 lb) with ammunition included in a drum magazine integral to the weapon system, much like the much smaller 12-round magazine of the BK 7,5.

From June 1944, only 25 examples of the Hs 129 B-3 arrived at front-line units before the production line was shut down in September (a small number were reportedly also created by converting B-2 aircraft). In the field the B-3 proved deadly, but its small numbers had little effect on the war effort.

Edited August 31, 2015 by DendroAspis

[wtornado]

Maybe we need the Hs 129 B-3 at some stage.

 

 

Hs 129 B-3

 

A close up of the Bordkanone BK 7,5 75 mm cannon.

By late 1942 reports were coming in about the ineffectiveness of the MK 103 against newer versions of the Soviet T-34 tanks. One obvious solution would be to use the larger Bordkanone BK 3,7 37 mm gun, recently adapted from the ground-based Flak 18. These guns had already been converted into underwing pod-mounted weapons for the Ju 87 and found to be a fearsome weapon, despite the fact that only 12 shells per pod could be accommodated. When mounted on the Hs 129, the empty area behind the cockpit could be used for ammunition storage, which would address the only problem with the Ju 87's mounting: the limited ammunition supply. Few Hs 129s were actually fitted with the 37mm cannon, however.

It was also decided that the semi-automatic Rheinmetall PaK 40 75 mm anti-tank gun, which had already been adapted for use in the Junkers Ju 88P-1, would be further modified for use in the Hs 129. This resulted in the Bordkanone BK 7,5, which, even though it weighed 1,200 kg (2,645 lb), was: lighter than the PaK 40 75 mm; fully automatic; featured a new, hydraulic recoil-dampening system and a new, more aerodynamic muzzle brake. An autoloader system, with 12 rounds in a rotary magazine, was fitted in the empty space behind the cockpit, within the rear half of the wing-root area. The gun and its recoil mechanism occupied a substantial gun pod under the fuselage, and a circular port at the rear of the pod allowed spent cartridges to be jettisoned immediately after firing. While this new variant, the Hs 129 B-3, was theoretically capable of destroying any tank in the world, the added weight worsened the aircraft's general performance and was inferior to previous variants.^[1]

The Bordkanone 7,5 was the heaviest and most powerful forward-firing weapon fitted to a production military aircraft during World War II. The only other aircraft to be factory-equipped with similar guns were the 1,420 examples of the North American B-25G and B-25H Mitchell, which mounted either a M4 cannon, or light-weight T13E1 or M5 versions of the same gun. These weapons, however were hand-loaded, had shorter barrels and/or a lower muzzle velocity than the BK 7,5, resulting in lesser ballistic performance, accuracy and rate of fire. (The Piaggio P.108A Artigliere was equipped with a 102 mm gun for the anti-shipping role, but only a single prototype of this aircraft was tested in 1943.) The BK 7,5 was unsurpassed as a production aircraft-fitted gun until 1971, when the four-engine Lockheed AC-130E Spectre – equipped with a sideways-aimed, hand-loaded 105 mm M102 howitzer of about 3,298 lb (1,496 kg) apiece – entered service with the U.S. Air Force. The 1,200 kg (2,645 lb) Bordkanone BK 7,5 cannon installation in the Hs 129B-3 was the heaviest forward-firing autocannon ever made for a series production military aircraft, until the introduction of the Fairchild Republic A-10 "Warthog", with its General Electric GAU-8 Avenger seven barrel 30mm caliber anti-tank Gatling cannon main armament coming in at a total weight of up to 1,830 kg (4,030 lb) with ammunition included in a drum magazine integral to the weapon system, much like the much smaller 12-round magazine of the BK 7,5.

From June 1944, only 25 examples of the Hs 129 B-3 arrived at front-line units before the production line was shut down in September (a small number were reportedly also created by converting B-2 aircraft). In the field the B-3 proved deadly, but its small numbers had little effect on the war effort.

At 25 examples that were built we will go through all 25 on one server if the

high level fighter jocks still do not come down from their cloud pillows and be done

with this aircraft.hehehehee.  .

[Wulf]

The general feeling is that the VVS pilots are definitely working together more to achieve the objectives. So.... IF the LW side cooperates more and we have an effective Ground attack with fighter cover in a coordinated effort then we will have a better chance at success. I agree with you 100% Wulf, I see you in the air every day, why don't you join Tripwire and myself on TS so we can run together.

 

The Heinkils also need to go in higher (3-4000m) with air cover above and I think we will have more success. TS again is key cos this typing and flying/spotting thing does not work.

 

~Salut~

 

 

Happy to hook-up on TS if I see you stooging about on WOL.   I'll have to do a wee bit of re-configuring though but that should be complete by the end of the week. 

Edited August 31, 2015 by Wulf

[Jade_Monkey]

Does the bf 110 have the ability to level bomb? Or just dive bomb?

 

I feel like missions end by the time you climb up wih the he111 so you have to do that at the beginning of the mission or get on a different plane.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Does the bf 110 have the ability to level bomb? Or just dive bomb?

 

I feel like missions end by the time you climb up wih the he111 so you have to do that at the beginning of the mission or get on a different plane.

The Bf110 has low level bombing capabilities and apparently was never classified as a divebomber. It also doesn't posess any dive brakes and due to the size of the aircraft recovering from steep dives could become a big issue at high velocities.

 

They were primarily used in low level carpet bombings and gun raids against small targets. With 1200kg the payload is not too far behind the Peshka and depending on the ordinance it will get in BoS it could be even more versatile (historically Bf-110s used a great arsenal of air to ground weapons from big guns to anti personal and hollow charge anti tank bombs).

Edited August 31, 2015 by Stab/JG26_5tuka

[wtornado]

The fighters still have to come down to cover ground attack aircraft.

 

Does not matter what plane the devs give you.

 

This whole thread is based on that and why the LW fighters play

like they are over the Channel and not on the Eastern front.

[JG5_Schuck]

Well I've read this thread,

And what people seem to forget especially with squads like ours, the most important thing for us is to stay alive.

We try to fly historically for maximum immersion. (Dead is Dead)

Like a mission within a mission.

I have noticed a lot of VVS pilots (non squad members) throw themselves relentlessly at targets without a care in the world amassing a great No of ground kills, but are also killed an a regular basis themselves.

We just don't as a squad fly like that.

To fly against a Yak pilot who doesn't care if he is killed or not is a difficult thing to do, at any altitude!

I have to say, I don't think we have once been asked to escort anyone in any of the missions I've taken part in?

If we're in WoL ask, im sure we'd be happy to help out.

[6./ZG26_Emil]

 

I feel like missions end by the time you climb up wih the he111 so you have to do that at the beginning of the mission or get on a different plane.

 

Exactly...It's annoying enough to fly a 40 minute sweep in a 109 to have the map suddenly rotate before you get to land, in a 111 there's only so many times it will happen before people get cheesed off and don't bother.

 

Maybe the missions should last much longer and spawn in new targets like on that 72AG server where the front line moves. 

[=EXPEND=Tripwire]

Dropping the fuel load right down in the He111 helps the climb rate when you are carrying the big payloads. That plane carries a significant amount of fuel at 100%

[Jade_Monkey]

Dropping the fuel load right down in the He111 helps the climb rate when you are carrying the big payloads. That plane carries a significant amount of fuel at 100%

How much fuel does it take to cross 75% of the width of the stalingrad map and then return? Approximately.

 

Is 100% fuel a must? Or does 80% suffice?

[Willy__]

 

 

How much fuel does it take to cross 75% of the width of the stalingrad map and then return? Approximately. Is 100% fuel a must? Or does 80% suffice?

 

Less than 50% iirc. 

[JG4_dingsda]

How much fuel does it take to cross 75% of the width of the stalingrad map and then return? Approximately.

 

Is 100% fuel a must? Or does 80% suffice?

 

15% to 20% will be more than you need in nearly all cases... have a look into chuck's aircraft guide, too -- you could calculate the amount of fuel needed and go with even less.

(edit: haven't seen that you want to cross the whole map ... )

Edited August 31, 2015 by JG4_dingsda

[Matt]

The map is about 360 km wide, so crossing 75% of the map twice should be possible with 25% fuel.