Jade_Monkey Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 Is it better armed than the yak? I'm referring to the guns specifically.
1CGS LukeFF Posted August 6, 2015 1CGS Posted August 6, 2015 Is it better armed than the yak? I'm referring to the guns specifically. Not with its default armament, no, but there were all sorts of upgrades to the MiG-3's firepower which we'll likely see modeled.
Potenz Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 I remeber it was one of the ugliest 3D models on the original series, now it's looking beautyfull 1
Danziger Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 I am crying and shaking like my next child was just born. I love it. Count me in for BoM. Thank god tomorrow is payday. My wife is going to be pissed. 3
1CGS LukeFF Posted August 6, 2015 1CGS Posted August 6, 2015 I remeber it was one of the ugliest 3D models on the original series, now it's looking beautyfull Yeah, the IL2 model of the MiG-3 was/is horrendous. Good to finally see it get the treatment it deserves.
TWC_Ace Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 (edited) Beautiful plane. Its main problem (in RL) was that most of the fight on eastern front rarely occured at very high alt (MiG 3 was designed as high alt fighter). The other two weaknesses shouldnt reflect in game (due to fact its impossible to model such things in sims, proprerly). The problem was weapons failure and very innacurate gunsgiht. That is why MiG 3 pilots fired often from very close range. Edited August 6, 2015 by blackram_
Finkeren Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 (edited) Sooooooooooo beautiful it's the only plane I've ever felt an almost sexual infatuation with (not even kidding - please don't think I'm weird) And: It appears that the devs actually took my advice and modelled the late production MiG-3ud!!! It's got the 'long nosed' cowling design (which actually isn't longer than the early one) and slats in the wings, though the tailwheel appears retractable (most late MiGs had it fixed down) Awesome! I. Just. Can't. Wait!!! Edited August 6, 2015 by Finkeren
II/JG17_HerrMurf Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 I'll be interested in how it fares against the G2
Brano Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 Ultimate design of comrade Polikarpow. Pure beauty. That remark written above about gunsight and weapons is on the other hand pure bs. Yeah, the IL2 model of the MiG-3 was/is horrendous. Good to finally see it get the treatment it deserves.It got update of 3d model via mods and it became the most sexy of all cubes in old sturm.
Finkeren Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 (edited) I'll be interested in how it fares against the G2It'll be toast, but it doesn't matter. The MiG is the only plane where I litterally don't care how well it fights Besides: You're comparing Germanys top-of-the-line fighter of late 1942 at the apex of its development to a somewhat troublesome new Soviet design that saw no significant development after Autumn 1941 (well no development that saw much action anyway) If in an alternate reality the MiG-3 had continued development and fully integrated the AM-38 engine, then it might be a different story. Edited August 6, 2015 by Finkeren
BlueHeron Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 What an interesting aircraft. I saw one at Monino and two things struck me: - It's tiny! It almost looks like a toy, just big enough to climb into - The cockpit is so far back, nearly in the tail plane. There's so much of the plane's nose in front of you, it must be difficult to see past it
kestrel79 Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 One of my favorite looking planes of all time. Will fly just for the cool factor.
Freycinet Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 Ohhhh sexyyyyy.... Like a flying Citroën DS.... :-) 1
TWC_Ace Posted August 7, 2015 Posted August 7, 2015 (edited) Ultimate design of comrade Polikarpow. Pure beauty. That remark written above about gunsight and weapons is on the other hand pure bs. It got update of 3d model via mods and it became the most sexy of all cubes in old sturm. Pilot Alexander E. Shvarev recalled: "The Mig was perfect at altitudes of 4,000 m and above. But at lower altitudes it was, as they say, 'a cow'. That was the first weakness. The second was its armament: weapons failure dogged this aircraft. The third weakness was its gunsights, which were inaccurate: that's why we closed in as much as we could and fired point blank." but..... Even with the MiG-3's limitations, Aleksandr Pokryshkin, the third-leading Soviet, and Allied, ace of the war, with 53 official air victories (plus six shared), recorded a number of those victories while flying a MiG-3 at the beginning of the war. He later recalled:“Its designers rarely succeeded in matching both the fighter's flight characteristics with its firepower… the operational advantage of the MiG-3 seemed to be obscured by its certain defects. However, these advantages could undoubtedly be exploited by a pilot able to discover them”. Mig 3 also had poorer horizontal handling than Fritz due to higher wing loading, its guns werent strong enough and pilots hated the gunpods (UBK MGs) which were introduced later (to "fix" the firepower) because the plane was even less maneuverable then. Also on low(er) alts where most of the combat in EF occured MiG was even less maneuverable (and stall and spin characteristics were very dangerous) couldnt use its speed characteristic to full potential. MiG3 was used because VVS needed all they can use until later versions of successful (for EF) types of Yak and La(GG) designes arent produced...However we know the history and that MiG bureau produced a bunch of very successful and legendary aircrafts in jet era... Listen... I see you are a big fun of the plane. Im too mate. But Im also history buff, like many here I suppose. Im simming from 90s and I red quite "a few books" on the matter, like many here I suppose. but like I said, its ok for me that some things arent modelled in the game (due to limitations of engine or whatever, I know its just a game we love). Plane is beautiful, I like it, I like "underdogs", I will fly it. Thats not a question.. Edited August 7, 2015 by blackram_ 1
Finkeren Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 Btw: Interesting that the tailwheel seems to be locked down. Wonder if that's gonna be standard or if they just haven't animated the retracting sequence yet?
II/JG17_HerrMurf Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 I think it's just an animation thing. It was addressed in a P-40 pic a few weeks ago as well.
Finkeren Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 Except it would actually be historically correct to have the tailwheel locked down on late MiG-3s
Brano Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 Pilot Alexander E. Shvarev recalled: "The Mig was perfect at altitudes of 4,000 m and above. But at lower altitudes it was, as they say, 'a cow'. That was the first weakness. The second was its armament: weapons failure dogged this aircraft. The third weakness was its gunsights, which were inaccurate: that's why we closed in as much as we could and fired point blank." but..... Even with the MiG-3's limitations, Aleksandr Pokryshkin, the third-leading Soviet, and Allied, ace of the war, with 53 official air victories (plus six shared), recorded a number of those victories while flying a MiG-3 at the beginning of the war. He later recalled:“Its designers rarely succeeded in matching both the fighter's flight characteristics with its firepower… the operational advantage of the MiG-3 seemed to be obscured by its certain defects. However, these advantages could undoubtedly be exploited by a pilot able to discover them”. Mig 3 also had poorer horizontal handling than Fritz due to higher wing loading, its guns werent strong enough and pilots hated the gunpods (UBK MGs) which were introduced later (to "fix" the firepower) because the plane was even less maneuverable then. Also on low(er) alts where most of the combat in EF occured MiG was even less maneuverable (and stall and spin characteristics were very dangerous) couldnt use its speed characteristic to full potential. MiG3 was used because VVS needed all they can use until later versions of successful (for EF) types of Yak and La(GG) designes arent produced...However we know the history and that MiG bureau produced a bunch of very successful and legendary aircrafts in jet era... Listen... I see you are a big fun of the plane. Im too mate. But Im also history buff, like many here I suppose. Im simming from 90s and I red quite "a few books" on the matter, like many here I suppose. but like I said, its ok for me that some things arent modelled in the game (due to limitations of engine or whatever, I know its just a game we love). Plane is beautiful, I like it, I like "underdogs", I will fly it. Thats not a question.. All soviet gunsights were of poor quality. And if UB or ShKAS had problem on MiG,it had also problem on other aircraft.So puting this words into one sentence about this plane sounds like it is the drawback of only this plane.The rest what you posted are well know partialy facts,partialy urban legends and citation of one discontent pilot.Most of those negative ones come from early version of the MiG-3 (before introducing leading edge flaps,fuel reduction and other improvements) And every pilot transiting to MiG from ishak or even tchaika considered it a ''cow''. I have read Pokryshkins memoires = they were written obviously after the war,when his comments on MiG were heavily influenced by his experience in airacobras.He just loved that 37mm gun and had made his mechanics to join both triggers for Mg's and cannon into one to have the right punch.So obviously when contemplating about his first actions in MiG,its armament seemed weak.In 1941 MiG had the same armament as Fridrich F-2.There were also versions with 2xUB produced and its final iteration supposed to be 2xShVAK and AM-38 engine.It never went into serial production for obvious reasons. And underwing Mgs in gondolas,according Pokryshkin memoires,were removed from the planes in his 55.IAP not due to poor handling of the plane,but because there was lack of them and were needed elsewhere. I am not big ''fun'' of this plane.I just like to see things written in complete and objective manner,not just parts pulled out of context.And I believe,that amongst those books you have also read Sasha's memoires 1
Bullets Posted August 18, 2015 Author Posted August 18, 2015 Most excited for this and the P40 with the bf110 a close 3rd =P
Voidhunger Posted August 19, 2015 Posted August 19, 2015 nice, but screenshot of the flying Emil would be appreciated
SYN_Vorlander Posted August 19, 2015 Posted August 19, 2015 nice, but screenshot of the flying Emil would be appreciated Topic is MIG 3 Image and you request the EMIL. Should you not start your own EMIL TOPIC REQUEST?
6./ZG26_Custard Posted August 19, 2015 Posted August 19, 2015 It's a lovely looking aircraft but its not high enough in those screenshots!
Danziger Posted August 19, 2015 Posted August 19, 2015 It's very beautifully done I also like the winter skin. I do hope they take a second look at the exhaust though. The pipes look a bit small in diameter.
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