FW-190: No looping?

[Redroach]

Hi,

 

granted, a looping is not the very best air combat maneuver, but still, I don't seem to be able to do one in the FW-190.

I tried at different speeds, throttle settings, altitudes, pre-diving but it won't work. I always stall shortly before the apex of the looping

and this is pretty well-reproducible.

Does anyone have some guidance about what I'm doing wrong? Or is this, probably, historically correct? If not, I think this should be

fixed, as not being able to loop around is certainly a handicap.

[TP_Jacko]

Hi Redroach,

 

I have not tried it but the engine is a big radial so you might get a lot of torque at low speed at the top. What is your start speed.

 

This pilot can do it though 6 min 40 sec in

 

 

[ytubehd] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkqbUahsiHg&feature=youtu.be&t=408 [/ytubehd]

Edited July 29, 2015 by TP_Jacko

[6./ZG26_Emil]

You can do loops in the 190 but you have to be very gentle with it. It's not a maneuver that is worth doing in air combat but a high yo yo is and works fine with the 190.

[The-Jackal]

This seems to be something wrong with the program itself.  The piper cub, of about 70 miles an hour can make a loop... I don't know of an aircraft other than a commercial airliner that can not accomplish this maneuver, or eight Cuban 8.

[TheJay13]

Yes I have actually been wondering the same thing the 190 seems to have great difficulty doing the most basic of maneuvers even when flying at a good speed. This makes it very ineffective as a fighter aircraft as I can't even do a split s to pull on to someone's tail without risking a massive departure from flight. This is making fights very difficult for me

Edited August 3, 2015 by TheJay13

[SharpeXB]

Be sure you are not pulling too hard in the beginning of the loop and getting too much AoA and drag. You can hear the 190 buffet noise when this happens.

[SharpeXB]

Enter into the loop at 500KPH & 1.3ATA and pull gently till you go over the top at about 250

retard the throttle on the down side and pull out level

[Matt]

I just made 10 loopings in a row keeping climb power all the time.

 

Not sure what you're doing wrong, if you can't fly a looping. Maybe pull to hard or not hard enough (when going inverted, you can pull considerably harder).

 

Not that a looping is a useful maneuver in a fight. Slit-S are no problem whatsoever either for me.

[Redroach]

Thanks for your opinions, guys and guyettes!

So, the majority opinion seems to be that the FM is indeed good enough "in comparison" to the historical situation.

Fair enough; So, I'll have to practise a bit more - or probably a lot more!

 

Again, thanks for your answers and carry on - good hunting everybody!

[6./ZG26_Emil]

Thanks for your opinions, guys and guyettes!

So, the majority opinion seems to be that the FM is indeed good enough "in comparison" to the historical situation.

Fair enough; So, I'll have to practise a bit more - or probably a lot more!

 

Again, thanks for your answers and carry on - good hunting everybody!

 

Just remember the 190 is a heavy aircraft look at the video Jacko posted, he takes it gentle but many simmers are used to yanking the stick all over the shop

[Redroach]

yeah, thats probably the thing... just yanking the stick back to "get this looping over with" doesnt seem to be taken well by the FW...

[Finkeren]

Just saw this topic and thought: "Now that I think of it, I don't think I've ever actually looped the Fw 190, but of course it can be done."

 

Tried it, and sure enough: No trouble at all looping this bird at normal combat power starting from 500 km/h. If you do it carefully the energy retention is actually quite good. I did three in a row and ended up at almost exactly the same altitude but going 60km/h faster.