PA-Sniv Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) For those who missed it: While we're preparing for the Early access grab this Bf 109 F-4. To be under your control in #IL2BOS soon! From Twitter... And Facebook... Edited October 23, 2013 by PA-Sniv 1
Volkoff Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) The Bf-109 and the terrain both look fantastic. MJ Edited October 23, 2013 by =69.GIAP=MIKHA
AcesHigh Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 I'll go ahead and say it I'm not as impressed as the rest with the image. The shading on the plane does look great but the landscape is just kind of blahhh.... Maybe it's the screenshot or angle but the bump mapping on the snow does not excite me as it did in some of the videos. Some quality was lost copying the image over from the facebook page as it looks slightly better there. I will say I'm excited to fly the snow landscape but also worried it will all start to blend together. Hoping there's enough variation in trees/buildings/rivers/objects to keep enough interest over the entire map. I don't want to take off from various airports and feel like I've already seen that or done that. I have full confidence the team will get the flight model, air frames, and combat down near perfect by launch my only concern is how immersive they can make this feel given the timeframe and landscape they are working with. All I can say is surprise us team! 1
Volkoff Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 (edited) I'll go ahead and say it I'm not as impressed as the rest with the image. The shading on the plane does look great but the landscape is just kind of blahhh.... Maybe it's the screenshot or angle but the bump mapping on the snow does not excite me as it did in some of the videos. Some quality was lost copying the image over from the facebook page as it looks slightly better there. I will say I'm excited to fly the snow landscape but also worried it will all start to blend together. Hoping there's enough variation in trees/buildings/rivers/objects to keep enough interest over the entire map. I don't want to take off from various airports and feel like I've already seen that or done that. I have full confidence the team will get the flight model, air frames, and combat down near perfect by launch my only concern is how immersive they can make this feel given the timeframe and landscape they are working with. All I can say is surprise us team! While the Bf-109F-4 model is close to completion and is exquisitely detailed, the terrain itself is a work in progress and will be improved upon. The basis of my claim is a communication from the dev team on one of their social media sites. I hope that info helps put your immediate concerns to rest. MJ Edited October 24, 2013 by =69.GIAP=MIKHA
AcesHigh Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 While the Bf-109F-4 model is close to completion and is exquisitely detailed, the terrain itself is a work in progress and will be improved upon. The basis of my claim is a communication from the dev team on one of their social media sites. I hope that info helps put your immediate concerns to rest. MJ Thanks, at this stage I had figured there's still going to be lots of tweaking and adding and some deleting still going on , even when alpha opens up too. Yes good to know it can only get better.
Volkoff Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 (edited) Thanks, at this stage I had figured there's still going to be lots of tweaking and adding and some deleting still going on , even when alpha opens up too. Yes good to know it can only get better. I am very glad that I could help. Yes, I think that there will be many years of great times ahead. Things will surely be better, starting around November 12th or so, for sure. MJ Edited October 24, 2013 by =69.GIAP=MIKHA 1
Trooper117 Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 Lol, its just some snow and a few trees... nothing ground breaking or fantastic about the ground detail in that shot... The 109 looks like he's just about to fly into my sights... Nice!
Uufflakke Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 Is this even a question? Yes, the Swastika is missin' on the tail. I remember to have read something about it that in some countries not allowed to et cetera et cetera. But forgot if there will be the possibility to enable the Hakenkreuz. If someone directs me to that topic please. I can't find it anymore.
Mac_Messer Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 Not impressed aswell, but I`m not that interested in external detail if the cockpits come out as good as in the WiP screens. The swastica thing, I find to be th best "retarded impression" of it yet. My eyes still see a full blown hakenkreuz there.
SvAF/F19_Klunk Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 ...I find to be th best "retarded impression" of it yet. My eyes still see a full blown hakenkreuz there. I agree.. the eyes kind of "fill in the blanks"
Finkeren Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 Yeah, the "close-but-no-cigarstika" is a clever solution, that should satisfy all but extreme purists.
Uufflakke Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 @Extreme_One: Thanks for the answer. Silly enough I forgot about how it was with the No Swastika in game. I think the marking the devs have chosen is the best impression. By the way, with the German Cross and the alternative Swastika the Bf-109 starts to look like a piece of artwork by Russian painter Malevich.
PA-Sniv Posted October 24, 2013 Author Posted October 24, 2013 ...But forgot if there will be the possibility to enable the Hakenkreuz... If someone directs me to that topic please. I can't find it anymore. Dev diary #31, question #4: 4) A swastika question. Devs made and declared their final decision. What's your attitude to user-made skins that may have Hakenkreuz on them? We have no intention to control players. Draw and use anything you want. There'll be only one exception for those cases when you demonstrate gameplay on some public event in a country that acknowledged the usage of such symbols illegal.
J4SCrisZeri Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 Lol, its just some snow and a few trees... nothing ground breaking or fantastic about the ground detail in that shot... The 109 looks like he's just about to fly into my sights... Nice! ^+1 I haven't been overwhelmed by the terrain. Including the texture. On the other side, the plane convinced me, nice texture, wornout, nice details.
Rodolphe Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 ... Posted 06 September 2013 - 12:11 We have no intention to control players. Draw and use anything you want. There'll be only one exception for those cases when you demonstrate gameplay on some public event in a country that acknowledged the usage of such symbols illegal. =FB=LOFT Posted 12 December 2012 - 19:53 5. Of course skinning will be a big part of BOS. In ROF we took skinning to a whole new level with providing detailed templates and official skin packs etc. I don't think much will change in this department. Jason Posted 12 December 2012 - 20:41 1. I'm pretty sure it will be done like in ROF with SkinPacks so they will be visible in MP. Jason Not sure about the Rise of Flight Skin online system. Will the official SkinPacks provided by the Team and visible in MultiPlayer be available without illegal symbols ? ...
ST_ami7b5 Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 Yeah, the "close-but-no-cigarstika" is a clever solution, that should satisfy all but extreme purists. I agree completely.
Zak Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 ^+1 I haven't been overwhelmed by the terrain. Including the texture. On the other side, the plane convinced me, nice texture, wornout, nice details. I think it's been said before - the terrain is to be improved by the release, and the models are pretty much final (thou minor fixes are made from time to time, I must add)
FuriousMeow Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 (edited) I don't understand this weathering phenomena. These planes were pretty much factory fresh, and well taken care of. Even the older ones were repainted, cleaned, and kept as tuned as possible. The planes that are going to look terrible are the ones that weren't serviced, or have been sitting out in the elements for 40 years without maintenance. Just going through Google images after searching Bf 109, even the most iconic old photos show 109s in non-weathered paint jobs because these aircraft were taken care off. If the paint chips away, that's drag inducing. Edited October 24, 2013 by FuriousMeow
Trooper117 Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 Of course a lot of the aircraft we sea in WWII photos looked factory fresh... most of them were either shot out of the sky in that condition, or were lost in crashes etc. The normal wartime service life for these planes was usually not a long one... most didn't survive long enough to become weathered.
FuriousMeow Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 Even planes that "lasted" long enough to get weathered were kept in shape. All military equipment is maintained, not just monthly but pre combat and post combat checks are performed in addition to the typical weekly and monthly checks to ensure it's operational. Paint would be one of those things included in weekly or monthly maintenance, because letting the paint wear away results in a performance penatly. USAAF aircraft were polished to ensure that the bare aluminum skins were at their peak. And they weren't just polished once off the factory floor. This idea that a plane wouldn't be maintained if it lasts long enough is ludicrous, of course they were repainted.
J4SCrisZeri Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 I don't understand this weathering phenomena. These planes were pretty much factory fresh, and well taken care of. Even the older ones were repainted, cleaned, and kept as tuned as possible. The planes that are going to look terrible are the ones that weren't serviced, or have been sitting out in the elements for 40 years without maintenance. Just going through Google images after searching Bf 109, even the most iconic old photos show 109s in non-weathered paint jobs because these aircraft were taken care off. If the paint chips away, that's drag inducing. just my personal thing. I love wornout war beasts, they must look dirty and aggressive, otherwise I get that "polished toy" feeling, I dunno
Trooper117 Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 I'm not saying they weren't repainted or maintained, the fact is many never got to the 'I need a repaint' stage
Mogster Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 I know what you mean. It seems reasonable that a 30 year old Mig 21 is going to have some visible cockpit and airframe distress but would a couple of months old WW2 fighter? Having said that wartime pics often show at least superficially oily and dirty planes, especially bombers. They did operate from grass airfields quite often, even heavy bombers.
FuriousMeow Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 (edited) Understood and I think a lot of areas were left unrepainted even when touch-ups occured - areas of heavy wear that were inconsequential to flight performance like canopy hand holds or fuselage foot holds. Now leading edges, propellors, areas like that would be frequently touched up due to performance hindering impact. Left chipped and dinged up is a hold over from seeing worn out museum relics and not actual operational aircraft that many have come to accept because they've seen far more relics wasting away in museum displays than operational birds. Looking at the air show aircraft will show nicely finished birds, except the areas of heavy wear around the canopy or access panels that may have some wear - just to give an idea of what operational aircraft would more closely resemble. Edited October 24, 2013 by FuriousMeow
LordNeuro*Srb* Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 Yes I agree with FuriousMeow , and in harsh condition like Stalingrad in winter and lack of resources i dont think they wouid much of the look of the plane. The important thing it was to make it work so it cann acomplish the mission. Same in evry war relly. And here r just same photos of same planes, and they dont look like prestine looking condition. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_YYMeAu4i7gA/TC81OToVnMI/AAAAAAAAH0o/qbPkrvRTB2E/s1600/rare-ww2-second-world-war-pictures-images-photos-rare-unseen-amazing-pictures-history-german-transport-plane-lands-russia.jpg http://albumwar2.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/39617.jpg http://ww2today.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/602-sqdn-spitfire-595x391.jpg http://ww2today.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Color_B-17E_in_Flight.jpg And plus i lake the wornout look on the planes. Just like the J4Scriszeri says make them more real and beastly looking.
Wind Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 Even planes that "lasted" long enough to get weathered were kept in shape. All military equipment is maintained, not just monthly but pre combat and post combat checks are performed in addition to the typical weekly and monthly checks to ensure it's operational. Paint would be one of those things included in weekly or monthly maintenance, because letting the paint wear away results in a performance penatly. USAAF aircraft were polished to ensure that the bare aluminum skins were at their peak. And they weren't just polished once off the factory floor. Dont have any books to quote beside me, but afaik the painting was not on the top of the "To Do" lists? There were a lot more pressing issues with other maintenance, the aviability for solvents/paint was not that good, the wintertime chafing of the airframes were much less than the spring/summer with flying debris and the benefit to the airframe performance...well... Many have read about the work that people went through with, say, getting the prototype of Aircobra to be within specs... But having that kind of dedication to airframes in the eastern front in winter of 1942...hard to imagine. Hell, RAF wont paint their "new" Rivets because it would mean 1-2 ton of extra paint/plane (and the extra fuel) AND it would cost them 3 mills for 3 planes to paint them. Imagine people being hizzyfit about the paintjobs of the planes in around Stalingrad at that point of the time, where the life expectancy of the planes were not that high. Why use resources for that? Albeit I do agree that the too weathered out look is a bit cheap, but in this relatively 2 dimensional sim world and even with the new bumpmapping, it ads to the immersion. The planes look like tools, instead of being too sterile zeroes and ones. Just my 0.2€ 1
J4SCrisZeri Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 (edited) And plus i lake the wornout look on the planes. Just like the J4Scriszeri says make them more real and beastly looking. My point. Same goes for starships in SF movies (ok, I'm getting off the point here) I never could stand the perfect/plastic production look behind Star Trek, Im a rust/heavy machinery lover (Star Wars, Alien's Nostromo and Sulaco, etc) Besides, I believe even the best, elite planes get weathered very quickly due to high speed solicitations, weather, fights. If a plane gets damaged by bullets you can (must!) repair it ASAP, but in wartime the staff will just make the best available repair, given the urge to go back to combat and the limited deadlines. So the repair may look like an anaestethic scar, most of the times. I think all these factor combined should give the plane that "veteran" look. Edited October 24, 2013 by J4Scriszeri
Picchio Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 (edited) Was right about to post this picture! Look, guys... GUNS! Edited October 25, 2013 by Picchio
Uufflakke Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 (edited) TIP: Always check the Russian Forum first on Friday! Update #38: http://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/topic/739-obsuzhdenie-38-j-chasti-dnevnikov-razrabotchika/ Edited October 25, 2013 by Uufflakke
damar Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 I wish BOS has the spring or summer map of Stalingrad. The winter map is too shining.Eyes will be blinded if fly long times:)
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