FuriousMeow Posted July 24, 2015 Posted July 24, 2015 It'll be a fun little plane. It'll get used very little because it won't make anyone an instant Hartmann or Marseille. It'll see use by those that are fans of it, or those that are more capable in general and want a bit of a challenge. Due to the longer wing to negate the torque effects, it's also a bit more stable as far as snap stalling because the design is built to prevent that. The 205, obviously not applicable but just as a talking point, would have been amazingly good. It is more powerful, has better fire power and better handling.
150GCT_Veltro Posted July 24, 2015 Posted July 24, 2015 Hello all, I'll have to wait until the 202 arrives but it should be able to down IL2's, just don't shoot them where they're armoured, i.e., the wings. Not sure about BoS, but in the 'old' il2 sim, the outer wings were relatively fragile and you could wreck them quite easily with lightly armed kites. May be, but i would not stay behind an IL2 when VVS fighters are all around escorting it. Too much time without 20mm.
Habu Posted July 24, 2015 Posted July 24, 2015 Engine pressure ecc. ecc. Decollo - Take Off Salita - Climb Velocità orizzontale - Level Normale - Normal Eccezionale - Combat Eccezionalissima - Emergency Senza limiti - No limits May you confirm that it's for the series VIII ?
Finkeren Posted July 24, 2015 Posted July 24, 2015 (edited) May you confirm that it's for the series VIII ? IIRC every production variant of the Folgore used the same engine and propeller and roughly the same cooling system, so I can't imagine why the engines limits would depend on the series? Edited July 24, 2015 by Finkeren
JtD Posted July 24, 2015 Posted July 24, 2015 [data sheet with time limits] I wonder what we will see in BoM, will there be some situational evaluation to determine if it's a "normal" or a "combat" situation, so that the timer can decide if the engine explodes after 10 minutes or never?
=CFC=Conky Posted July 24, 2015 Posted July 24, 2015 May be, but i would not stay behind an IL2 when VVS fighters are all around escorting it. Too much time without 20mm. True enough
FS_Fenice_1965 Posted July 24, 2015 Posted July 24, 2015 (edited) I come from Italy, then I know that many will think that I am a bit sided on this topic. In any case I've read a lot of materials about the 202 and the fights he took part. There's little to debate about the fact that the plane was undergunned. Btw it's flight caratheristics were generally superior to the 109 except on what is related to the engine power. At the end of 1942/beginning of 1943 american pilots were teached to avoid any turn fight against the 202, while they were allowed to accept manouvered fights with the 109s (F & G versions). Also reading this book, http://www.amazon.com/Eagles-Over-Gazala-Battles-Africa/dp/887565168X which is one of the most credited about North Africa battles during 1942 there are similar opinions. The 202 was considered a match almost equally dangerous than the 109F. Considered this, my humble opinion about the 202 reputation in the flight sim community is that many are reporting impressions taken from the way it was modeled in IL2 1946 rather than from historical sources. I had the luck to talk with Regia aeronautica pilots when they were still alive and all of them were considering the 202 as a plane with better flight caratheristics than the 109s of the same era. Obviously these can be considered sided opinion too, but I hadn't the impression that those pilots were trying to celebrate anything when talking of war events...... Edited July 24, 2015 by FS_Fenice_1965 5
Habu Posted July 25, 2015 Posted July 25, 2015 IIRC every production variant of the Folgore used the same engine and propeller and roughly the same cooling system, so I can't imagine why the engines limits would depend on the series? I can't say, but i have to be sur to use the good values. Is anybody know these books and can tell if they are interresting ? http://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/8886815425/ref=s9_simh_gw_p14_d0_i2?pf_rd_m=A1X6FK5RDHNB96&pf_rd_s=desktop-1&pf_rd_r=1NCYJFSNVKH15NNTC3T2&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=577191447&pf_rd_i=desktop http://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/888681562X/ref=s9_simh_gw_p14_d0_i1?pf_rd_m=A1X6FK5RDHNB96&pf_rd_s=desktop-1&pf_rd_r=1NCYJFSNVKH15NNTC3T2&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=577191447&pf_rd_i=desktop http://www.amazon.fr/Macchi-MC-202-Technical-Guide/dp/0993090834/ref=sr_1_3?s=english-books&ie=UTF8&qid=1437805674&sr=1-3&keywords=mc+202
=LD=Penshoon Posted July 25, 2015 Posted July 25, 2015 It will be very interesting to see how it will perform here. I remember I've read somewhere that the 202 took 20 000 hours to manufacture compared to something like 5000 hours for the 109.
150GCT_Veltro Posted July 25, 2015 Posted July 25, 2015 (edited) It will be very interesting to see how it will perform here. I remember I've read somewhere that the 202 took 20 000 hours to manufacture compared to something like 5000 hours for the 109. Yes...... typical italian... We did produce aircraft as they were Ferrari, not war machines to reproduce quickly. Macchi, was a work of art. However, this is the reason because 202 and 205 were so tough (and heavy). What is not written in the manuals is the diving speed it was able to reach. Some survived pilots did report very high speed ("out of range") during the diving escape, the same speed that did save them from the enemy fighters. Edited July 25, 2015 by 150GCT_Veltro
SvAF/F19_Klunk Posted July 25, 2015 Posted July 25, 2015 (edited) I have no clue how the fm will compare to the one in IL2 but I am eager to find out. Regardless, It is very refreshing to see this bird, it will for sure be more challenging to fight in compared to the 109 and a challenge is Always a good thing to hone one's skill. Besides; Italian warstallions Always look good - designwise the Italians have Always delivered... from hardware to tailormade suits. SvAF for sure have a few pilots who will fly this bird with pleasure when on Axis side. Edited July 25, 2015 by SvAF/F19_Klunk
=LD=Strat Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 (edited) I think it should be a pretty good performer... The Ferrari comment holds water with me. A lot of things were thought of during design of the aircraft to make sure it was fairly tame in all situations. The 109 is a handful at low speeds even with the operational slats... Torque aside the 109 seems to suffer greatly in these situations from propwash and P-factor. I've come to the conclusion the biggest advantage of the asymmetric wing is redirecting the immense forces of propwash. Edited July 28, 2015 by =LD=Strat
CF-105 Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 With HE 12.7 rounds, I expect even the Breda-SAFATs to keep up with the UBS, but that's just my "highly educated internet person" guess. I think that overall, it'll be a very good match for the P-40, which as X-Plane has taught me, handles like an absolute dog. Expect lots and lost of one-wing stalls.
BeastyBaiter Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 The P-40 is going to surprise you then. It was a very good fighter below 4km.
Willy__ Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 The P-40 is going to surprise you then. It was a very good fighter below 4km. Nothing new then... The russian fighters performs the best when below 4km
CF-105 Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 The P-40 is going to surprise you then. It was a very good fighter below 4km. That may be the case, but it's low speed maneuvering is terrible. When you do get it going, it can actually do some decent turning, but you have to really watch your AoA.
Jade_Monkey Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 Im curious about how the six 50cals will feel in the game. Ive played CLOD briefly but i really didnt enjoy the feel of the guns. I like it much better in BOS
Freycinet Posted August 1, 2015 Posted August 1, 2015 I wrote an article about the superb Italian Air Force museum at Vigna di Valle outside Rome some years ago. Here are a couple of pics I took for the article. That's an MC.202 hidden behind the Sparviero in the overview shot. The close-up is of an MC.205. I believe the planes are a bit pieced together from several examples but my memory is a bit hazy on that. Anyway, if you ever go to Rome this museum is well-worth a daytrip! 2
150GCT_Pag Posted August 1, 2015 Posted August 1, 2015 The C.202 in the Italian Air Force Museum is not completely original, many parts have been rebuilt, and also in a way not very good, like the propeller spinner, the bottom engine panel , that lack all the air scoops, the right wing etc. The C.205 is a hybrid aircraft, because had a C.202 fuselage (you can see the fixed tailwheel, while the C.205 had a retractable tailwheel) with the new FIAT R.A. 1050 R.C.58 Tifone engine. By the way, after the armistice, many Veltro's were rebuilt in that way in South Italy ...
Freycinet Posted August 1, 2015 Posted August 1, 2015 "And in August 2015 early access to another BOM plane will be offered. Those players who purchased the Premium Edition of BOM will get the Italian MC.202 Series VIII in just a couple of weeks." - Email status report from the developers.
TWC_Ace Posted August 1, 2015 Posted August 1, 2015 I always wondered why this plane wasnt fitted with better guns. Then again its a question how it would perform with heavier cannons.
9./JG27golani79 Posted August 1, 2015 Posted August 1, 2015 You guys are gonna like the 202. Can´t wait to try it out myself
Freycinet Posted August 1, 2015 Posted August 1, 2015 The C.202 in the Italian Air Force Museum is not completely original, many parts have been rebuilt, and also in a way not very good, like the propeller spinner, the bottom engine panel , that lack all the air scoops, the right wing etc. The C.205 is a hybrid aircraft, because had a C.202 fuselage (you can see the fixed tailwheel, while the C.205 had a retractable tailwheel) with the new FIAT R.A. 1050 R.C.58 Tifone engine. By the way, after the armistice, many Veltro's were rebuilt in that way in South Italy ... Grazie per l'informazioni Pag!
365magamma34 Posted August 2, 2015 Posted August 2, 2015 thank's Pag.... this summer I should go back to Vigna di Valle to get another shirt for now I only pole of the Greyhound (205 Veltro) ..
Dakpilot Posted August 8, 2015 Posted August 8, 2015 Nice 200 page 202 manual here (in Italian) http://issuu.com/icar2011/docs/macchi_mc.202_mr Cheers Dakpilot
9./JG27golani79 Posted August 8, 2015 Posted August 8, 2015 What's the small green plane on the right? Looks like a Fiat G55 - not sure though.
=GW=H517 Posted August 8, 2015 Posted August 8, 2015 No matter what the plane Hope can hurry up to experience
Maico Posted August 9, 2015 Posted August 9, 2015 Almost Mid August now... Hope its not "Oh, we meant end of August!"
ITAF_Rani Posted August 9, 2015 Posted August 9, 2015 http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/302491-Macchi-C-200-Saetta-(and-some-C-202)-flown-by-a-British-pilot-Comparative-test-Forums You can find interesting reading about point of view from British pilots about Macchi... Salute
-TBC-AeroAce Posted August 9, 2015 Posted August 9, 2015 (edited) im interested to see how this longer wing will actually perform at reducing the torque effect from the engine, as i would assume it will only be 100% in balance at one speed therefore we might have a condition similar to the 109s lack of rudder trim i.e its in balance at cruise speed but is a bit of a pain at higher or lower speeds Edited August 9, 2015 by [WSB]AeroACE
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