9./JG27golani79 Posted October 1, 2015 Posted October 1, 2015 Take a look at this topic - you need to run the updater.exe with an option in the CMD. http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=114030
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted October 1, 2015 Posted October 1, 2015 And moderators here laughed at the idea of edge ever hitting DCS, lol.
Sandhill Posted October 1, 2015 Posted October 1, 2015 WOW. It's been updated clear into the 21st century!
Feathered_IV Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 Take a look at this topic - you need to run the updater.exe with an option in the CMD. http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=114030 I haven't run DCS in almost twelve months. I ran the updater and the furthest it goes is 1.2.16
Sandhill Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 I haven't run DCS in almost twelve months. I ran the updater and the furthest it goes is 1.2.16 I have DCS through Steam, and their updating process went ok...
Feathered_IV Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 Mine's not the steam version. Thats ok though. I'll just have a look at some of the videos to satisfy curiosity.
nirvi Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 I haven't run DCS in almost twelve months. I ran the updater and the furthest it goes is 1.2.16 You need the Open Beta Installer if you want to test 1.5 http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/downloads/world/beta/ Releaseversion is still on 1.2.16.
BeastyBaiter Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 I've played DCS 1.5 beta for about 3 hours now, it crashes constantly (especially in MP, rarely runs more than 15 minutes). But that's kind of expected. It gives much better performance and graphics over the old DCS at least. I gained about 40% overall on near max detail (DoF off, rest maxed), my system specs are in my sig. I still can't see other aircraft at a distance, even with their new pseudo icons. The only improvement seems to be from the updated lighting effects making them blend into backgrounds less easy. But I haven't seen the dots they've shown off in live streams. So the WW2/Korea aspect is still unplayable imho. Hopefully they get it sorted. 1
nirvi Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 I've played DCS 1.5 beta for about 3 hours now, it crashes constantly (especially in MP, rarely runs more than 15 minutes). But that's kind of expected. It gives much better performance and graphics over the old DCS at least. I gained about 40% overall on near max detail (DoF off, rest maxed), my system specs are in my sig. I still can't see other aircraft at a distance, even with their new pseudo icons. The only improvement seems to be from the updated lighting effects making them blend into backgrounds less easy. But I haven't seen the dots they've shown off in live streams. So the WW2/Korea aspect is still unplayable imho. Hopefully they get it sorted. Did you set the "Model visibility" option to normal or enlarged?
Reflected Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 I downloaded the beta upater, but I cannot start the game:
BeastyBaiter Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 Did you set the "Model visibility" option to normal or enlarged? Tried all 3 settings.
Guest deleted@50488 Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 Regarding identification of other aircraft, and while I would rather prefer to be able to see them much more easily, specially because my close vision is poor and I have to wear glasses at the PC, as a pilot in RL, last weekend as I was in a x-country flight with some other pilots in my our gliders, we heard another glider pilot reporting his position, and, since he was nearby, I, and the others, started hunting for him.... Wow! It was really difficult and, unless the other aircraft fly above, against the sky or cloud background, or are properly illuminated ( not possible on gliders ), it will always be difficult to glimpse them most of the time, specially if they are camouflaged like these ww2 birds... I guess that with the new Summer maps the identification of other aircraft will also turn to be a lot more difficult in Il2 BoS as well.
Urra Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 I downloaded the beta upater, but I cannot start the game: Untitled-1.jpg I had to reinstall Microsoft redistributable package 2013 for anything to work.
Reflected Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 I didn't have the 2013 version, so I installed both 86 and 64. I'm still getting the same message.
Reflected Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 I have all these installed now, still nothing.
Guest deleted@50488 Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 You should probably have installed only the 64 version. I had the exact same error, installed it, and it worked.
Reflected Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 IT works now! Looks good, feels good too, but it's boring. I couldn't find any servers with Mustangs, and the only offline mission is that quick one against a Dora. If I use the QMB it gives modern planes as enemies. How do you guys usually fly?
nirvi Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 IT works now! Looks good, feels good too, but it's boring. I couldn't find any servers with Mustangs, and the only offline mission is that quick one against a Dora. If I use the QMB it gives modern planes as enemies. How do you guys usually fly? The Openbeta was released just a few hours ago, a lot of server owners haven't set up their servers for the new version. I am sure we will se a lot of WWII servers in the next few days.
BeastyBaiter Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) MP is really unstable atm, servers crash every 5-20 minutes. I don't expect anything proper until the beta gets a little more stability. As for WW2 in DCS, the MP DCS WW2 community is non-existent. It spikes to a single server of maybe 15 people at peak hours (EU prime time it seems) when a new WW2 plane is released, a week later it's back down to 0. As for what to do with those planes? Just fly around or shoot down or escort C-130's (stand in for heavy bombers). Either way, you'll have to use the full mission builder in DCS. Fortunately, it's incredibly simple to use. I can crank out a basic mission like the one described above in under 5 minutes. Edited October 2, 2015 by King_Hrothgar
Sokol1 Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) Contact visualization: Edited October 2, 2015 by Sokol1 1
=362nd_FS=Hiromachi Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 MP is really unstable atm, servers crash every 5-20 minutes. I don't expect anything proper until the beta gets a little more stability. As for WW2 in DCS, the MP DCS WW2 community is non-existent. It spikes to a single server of maybe 15 people at peak hours (EU prime time it seems) when a new WW2 plane is released, a week later it's back down to 0. As for what to do with those planes? Just fly around or shoot down or escort C-130's (stand in for heavy bombers). Either way, you'll have to use the full mission builder in DCS. Fortunately, it's incredibly simple to use. I can crank out a basic mission like the one described above in under 5 minutes. Yeah, tried it as well. It is for now Digital Crash Simulator but I'm still positively surprised and looking for fixes. I hoped for FPS improvement and it happened. Perfect. And yeah, that is true. There has to be released some ww2 map and some ground units along with ai aircraft to fight against. Otherwise it's just a fancy product which you can do nothing with (unless you like to fly jets).
SOLIDKREATE Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 +1, and not to forget RoF for ww1 action ;-) I have actually decided on a final setup: - RoF for ww1 - BoS for ww2 - DCS for the most advanced flight simulation of props and helicopters available, second to none... - PSX for the Boeing 747-400 I have the same thing but I don't fly FSX.
Reflected Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 I don't know. I downloaded some single missions, and had a blast dogfighting 8 vs 8. I love how all the systems are modelled too... But to me it's still just a "pig with lipstick", not in the same zipcode as BoS when it comes to air combat simulation. The graphics look better but the performance is worse now, at least on my old rig. BoS looks centuries better, yet it's pretty smooth on my PC. I really want to like it...really...but as mentioned above I will probably just fly it instead of FSX.
Finkeren Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 Contact visualization: Am I a bad guy for not being completely blown away by that video? Don't get me wrong, it's an improvement, but I was led to believe, that EDGE would totally blow BoS out of the water in terms of looks. Honestly I think the landscape looked bland and a little sloppy, there appeared to be loads of little glitches like rivers not aligning properly etc. The sounds are still puny and repetitive (and we think the P-40s .50cals sound too weak...) The damage and particle effects look sub-par (the fire was nice though) and some of them flicker on and off. As for the LoD and spotting, yeah it looks better, and the planes are definately easily identifiable, which is a hugely important step forward. Still, I can't shake the feeling, that this won't draw me in any more than it did earlier, when I get around to downloading the update.
6./ZG26_5tuka Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 It's the same old Kaukasus map + not all graphic feautures have been included yet. It will probably looks a bit better when 2.0 hits the pubilc. The next thing to look forward too is the Nromandy map now.
Finkeren Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 It's the same old Kaukasus map + not all graphic feautures have been included yet. It will probably looks a bit better when 2.0 hits the pubilc. The next thing to look forward too is the Nromandy map now. Okay, so nothing has been changed on the map itself? That makes sense. Most of the 2.0 alpha footage I've seen looks much, much better than this. What graphical features are missing? Will there be some improved particle effects? Those have always bothered me. Will definately have to buy and test the Normandy map, when it comes out. Any news for how it's coming along, screens videos etc? I don't follow the ED and other DCS related forums closely, and all I ever see in news updates are brief mentionings a la: "Development continues on the Normandy map".
9./JG27golani79 Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) Will definately have to buy and test the Normandy map, when it comes out. Any news for how it's coming along, screens videos etc? I don't follow the ED and other DCS related forums closely, and all I ever see in news updates are brief mentionings a la: "Development continues on the Normandy map". Unfortunately not yet - the only thing Wags mentioned in one of the last video updates was, that a 3rd party dev is working on the Normandy map at the moment. So it is being worked on and not pushed down the pipeline after Hormuz to get some attention. Edited October 2, 2015 by 9./JG27golani79
BeastyBaiter Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 As far as I know, the Normandy map is on the back burner until after NTTR and Straight of Hormuz. The nearest term WW2 appropriate map will probably come from Leatherneck (MiG-21 dev team). They are currently planning to release an unidentified WW2 aircraft before the end of the year, and will include an appropriate map packaged with it. However, that is dependent on DCS2 (for the map at least). How long it takes ED to get DCS2 out the door remains unknown. It's scheduled for next month, but ED is notorious for being horribly off the mark with such predictions.
=362nd_FS=Hiromachi Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) Fink, you may watch this than : On the new map it looks way way better. Edited October 2, 2015 by =LD=Hiromachi
Tektolnes Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 Yeah the old map only got a bit of a makeover which is all ED said it would get. It's really old and would take a massive investment of time to bring it to NTTR levels - ED have no plans to do this. Still it does look a good bit better than it did previously and everything runs way, way better now for me. The impact of moving to DX11 has been huge - most people have been cranking up their settings to high and their FPS have still doubled compared to what they were getting previously. It's obviously still not a full WW2 combat simulator yet with a coherent design like BOS and they haven't rolled out the MP improvements yet so that part is still shaky but this has been a big stepping stone milestone.
BeastyBaiter Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 Oh no doubt, it is a massive improvement overall. But expecting DCS to be a WW2 sim is unreasonable. It isn't one and I doubt it will be anytime in the next couple of years. On a related note, they released a new update which sorted out the MP stability issues. Just played for about an hour on it, on a WW2 server of all things (had about 10 players) without any game crashes. I wouldn't call it a satisfactory experience though, there are lag issues in the current build and the damage modeling wasn't touched, so MG's are still completely ineffective against aircraft (both player and AI).
Sokol1 Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) Otherwise it's just a fancy product which you can do nothing with (unless you like to fly jets). To be fair: "unless you like to fly MODERN jets". I bough the Mig-21 and this suffer the same DCS WWII planes "syndrome": out of place and of time, no much to to do with it. And despite all hype "DCS detailed simulation" the 1.5 replace some Mig-21 switches controls with "XBbox" like toggle like options... Edited October 2, 2015 by Sokol1
Picchio Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) To be fair: "unless you like to fly MODERN jets". I bough the Mig-21 and this suffer the same DCS WWII planes "syndrome": out of place and of time, no much to to do with it. And despite all hype "DCS detailed simulation" the 1.5 replace some Mig-21 switches controls with "XBbox" like toggle like options... Uhm, have you tried MBot's dynamic campaign, Guardians of the Caucasus? I don't own the MiG-21 so I can't express an opinion, but they say it's pretty good... (and it's for free). But expecting DCS to be a WW2 sim is unreasonable. Come on, it's early to tell... DCS World's framework, the way I see it, is very solid, and promising too. As for Normandy being second priority, let's just stick to reporting facts. Edited October 2, 2015 by Picchio
BeastyBaiter Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) The MiG-21 fits in just fine, DCS has plenty of AI and player units from the 1970's and early 80's. But it is at the bottom end of what currently fits and does not fit well with the FC3 fighters. Some of the upcoming study sim level planes do fit it better though. As for WW2, it is a fact that Normandy is on the back burner. The current release order is NTTR, SoH and then Normandy. I don't expect ED will take another 4-5 years to get SoH out like they did with NTTR, but it's going to be a while. I'd be surprised if we see Normandy before 2018. I also don't consider the map the most important aspect. I'm mostly concerned with historical AI units and the damage modeling. The AI is something LNS seems determined to solve for their WW2 module, but they can't do anything about the damage models. That is something only ED can fix. Although they have admitted it is a problem, they haven't claimed to of started work on addressing it. So no, I really don't think it's reasonable to expect anything out of DCS WW2 at this time. Maybe someday, but not now. Edited October 2, 2015 by King_Hrothgar
Finkeren Posted October 3, 2015 Posted October 3, 2015 Fink, you may watch this than : https://youtu.be/jcTb3E8pEog On the new map it looks way way better. Yeah I've seen that and several others, where the landscape looks pretty darn impressive (I wish they would stop filming half the shots at dawn/dusk though, it's really not that hard making that look good) and this is pretty much what I expected from this update.
Finkeren Posted October 3, 2015 Posted October 3, 2015 In any case: There is no denying, that this update is an important step forwards. I'm not being a downer. I genuinely look forward to seeing, what they can achieve with DCS over the coming years. I just wish they would set more believable deadlines.
Guest deleted@50488 Posted October 3, 2015 Posted October 3, 2015 I still prefer BoS / BoM, by far.... Trying 1.5 made me finally decide to spend my non-Il2Bos time with RoF instead...
6./ZG26_Emil Posted October 3, 2015 Posted October 3, 2015 So this isn't EDGE then? The graphics look the same to me looking at that video. What has changed?
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