Stuttering/Low FPS

[ImVisier]

Hello,

 

Here are my specs:

 

Windows 7 x64

I7 Quad Core

4GB RAM

Nvidia Geforce GTX 760

 

I am using TrackIR.

 

Now my issue;

 

When I start a game (MP, SP, doesn't matter) and look around left/right, my frames drop to 10-15, but it stabilizes after few seconds. After stabilizing, I look straight and get around 32 fps... and oddly enough, if I look up to the sky, my frames increase to about 75, but soon as I look down, I have low frames again.. I've also noticed, if I start a quick mission alone - no other planes, my fps increase to maybe 40, but that's it. It is really awful to play with 35 fps in dogfights, and I really don't understand this. I thought my PC will handle this game no problem.

 

So I really, really hope someone got a solution for this...

 

Regards

 

 

EDIT: I'm sorry, I had two tabs open & I accidentally put it here.. Can someone move this to the appropriate section?

Edited July 9, 2015 by ImVisier

[SharpeXB]

Which model of i7 do you have?

 

What sort of performance do you get with Rise of Flight or have you tried it? It has a free demo.

Edited July 10, 2015 by SharpeXB

[Urra]

 I used to have the same graphics card and had almost the same performance(+/- 2 fps).  It's not your machine, based on what you stated above.  You are probably also getting 29-30fps on the menu screen, when the card is running at 100%.  Getting a second 760 will bring this number up 15-20fps on average.  But also note one 980 is like two 760's.

[SYN_Vorlander]

Upgrade your RAM to at least 16 gig for the motherboard.

 

Get an SSD and install BOS on it.

 

Upgrade to a nvidia 980 Graphics card

[Reflected]

I'm getting the same FPS with an 17-920 @3.2, 8G RAM, GTX 480 - everything maxed out except HDR turned off ,and I'm really happy with it.

 

I always considered 30-35 FPS quite OK for dogfigting though   I could boost the FPS to 40-45 by tuning the graphics lower, but nah, it looks too good now 

[TWC_Ace]

@ImViser - just put additional 4GB of RAM in your slot. I upgraded to SSD and that helped but not that much. Which i7 you have and at what speed? BOS likes raw CPU speed. I have an old i7920 OCed to 4 Ghz and GTX670, 6 GB RAM, SSD HD and I have smooth gameplay with STANDARD settings, SSAO and HDR OFF, NO AF in nvidia CP, 4x AA in game. Game still looks awesome. Except clouds which are the issue even for ultra users I think (a bit blurry).

Also you need to check, under nvidia control panel, if the Power management mode is set to "Prefer maximum performance". Make sure your not running any of the antivirus softwares. Its alwawy good to check your cpu and gpu temps. I have HT set to off in my BIOS to gain better overclock of my CPU.

Edited July 10, 2015 by blackram_

[Reflected]

@ImViser - just put additional 4GB of RAM in your slot. I upgraded to SSD and that helped but not that much. Which i7 you have and at what speed? BOS likes raw CPU speed. I have an old i7920 OCed to 4 Ghz and GTX670, 6 GB RAM, SSD HD and I have smooth gameplay with STANDARD settings, SSAO and HDR OFF, NO AF in nvidia CP, 4x AA in game. Game still looks awesome. Except clouds which are the issue even for ultra users I think (a bit blurry).

Also you need to check, under nvidia control panel, if the Power management mode is set to "Prefer maximum performance". Make sure your not running any of the antivirus softwares. Its alwawy good to check your cpu and gpu temps. I have HT set to off in my BIOS to gain better overclock of my CPU.

 

Smooth gameplay - how does that translate in FPS?

[TWC_Ace]

Smooth gameplay - how does that translate in FPS?

For me almost always in 50s to 60s...But really it doesnt matter as long as you dont have stutters, slowdowns or you eye is noticing any lagging. Its very subjective ofcourse. BTW I also have vsync on.

Edited July 10, 2015 by blackram_

[Ala13_Kike]

Try to re-install your Trackir software, maybe it's due to a driver corruption of this hadware, and not a perfomance problem with your pc

[ImVisier]

Thanks for all the answers.

 

I've forgot to mention something - In menu, I always get 55-60 fps.

 

Also, it doesn't matter if I set my graphics to low, balanced, high, ultra.. or enable/disable SSAO/HDR. I always have the same framerate. Average 35, stutter when looking left or right when starting an new game @ airfield, and all those issues I've described in my first post.

[TWC_Ace]

Thanks for all the answers.

 

I've forgot to mention something - In menu, I always get 55-60 fps.

 

Also, it doesn't matter if I set my graphics to low, balanced, high, ultra.. or enable/disable SSAO/HDR. I always have the same framerate. Average 35, stutter when looking left or right when starting an new game @ airfield, and all those issues I've described in my first post.

Try without TiR to see if thats the problem. You checked the settings (I suggested) in NV CP and if antivirus is running? You tried updating GPU and reinstalling latest TiR software? Also try to plug the TiR usb cable into other USB slot.

Edited July 10, 2015 by blackram_

[SharpeXB]

Thanks for all the answers.

 

I've forgot to mention something - In menu, I always get 55-60 fps.

 

Also, it doesn't matter if I set my graphics to low, balanced, high, ultra.. or enable/disable SSAO/HDR. I always have the same framerate. Average 35, stutter when looking left or right when starting an new game @ airfield, and all those issues I've described in my first post.

If stuttering bothers you when turning your head, try Adaptive Vsync in Nvidia Control panel. In some games that really helps smooth out low frame rates.

In BoS the Nvidia Control Panel Vsync settings will only work with "Full Screen" checked.

Edited July 10, 2015 by SharpeXB

[ImVisier]

Updated GPU even to the BoS-optimized driver, reinstalled TrackIR-software, unplugged the TrackIR USB cable, disabled Antivirus & also tried adaptive Vsync - still the same issues.

 

Since my frames go up to 50 or even 60 when looking at the sky, but when looking down/right/left/straight they drop to 30 or even 25 like before, I assume it has to do something with (LOD?) ground textures.

[SharpeXB]

Since my frames go up to 50 or even 60 when looking at the sky, but when looking down/right/left/straight they drop to 30 or even 25 like before, I assume it has to do something with (LOD?) ground textures.

I'm no expert but my assumption in BoS is when you're in a situation with no other planes around like looking at the sky or a solo flight you're looking at the GPU performance.

When you get lots of objects around you that starts to hit the CPU. I'm running really strong graphics cards and I can get my game to plummet into a slow motion slideshow in scenarios with a lot of objects like Vetranens missions. my CPU is no longer over clocked but running at its stock 3.5Ghz. When it was overclocked I got much better performance so that leads me to think that's where the bottleneck is.

 

I understand this is the performance criteria you want from a CPU in this game. Single Core. Even though it's running multiple ones the speed of each one is important. You can even download this test and see where you place here. Also if you're considering an upgrade this gives you a good idea of which model to look at as well. These are all stock speeds of course and overclocking gives you a significant gain.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html

Edited July 10, 2015 by SharpeXB

[Urra]

Thanks for all the answers.

 

I've forgot to mention something - In menu, I always get 55-60 fps.

 

Also, it doesn't matter if I set my graphics to low, balanced, high, ultra.. or enable/disable SSAO/HDR. I always have the same framerate. Average 35, stutter when looking left or right when starting an new game @ airfield, and all those issues I've described in my first post.

Just checked last night. I get steady stutters if I turn off full screen.

[SharpeXB]

Just checked last night. I get steady stutters if I turn off full screen.

Interesting. Are you running at your native res?

 

I had never bothered with that setting in any game until BoS. Then I noticed in games that have a borderless "windowed" mode like Battlefield 4 and CoD Advamced Warfare. Those run a LOT better with Full Screen unchecked.

[ImVisier]

I'm no expert but my assumption in BoS is when you're in a situation with no other planes around like looking at the sky or a solo flight you're looking at the GPU performance.

When you get lots of objects around you that starts to hit the CPU. I'm running really strong graphics cards and I can get my game to plummet into a slow motion slideshow in scenarios with a lot of objects like Vetranens missions. my CPU is no longer over clocked but running at its stock 3.5Ghz. When it was overclocked I got much better performance so that leads me to think that's where the bottleneck is.

 

I understand this is the performance criteria you want from a CPU in this game. Single Core. Even though it's running multiple ones the speed of each one is important. You can even download this test and see where you place here. Also if you're considering an upgrade this gives you a good idea of which model to look at as well. These are all stock speeds of course and overclocking gives you a significant gain.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html

 

I checked & I have I7 CPU @ 2.80-Quad Core

 

Are there any tweaks or something for cpu? Of course, I could overclock, but first I'd like to make sure if this is really a cpu related problem. Also, I never oc'ed... so I'm a newb when it comes to that.

[SharpeXB]

I checked & I have I7 CPU @ 2.80-Quad Core

 

Are there any tweaks or something for cpu? Of course, I could overclock, but first I'd like to make sure if this is really a cpu related problem. Also, I never oc'ed... so I'm a newb when it comes to that.

If your i7 has a "K" at the end of its model number then it can be overclocked. Other than that I have no idea about how it's done.

[LLv24_Zami]

I checked & I have I7 CPU @ 2.80-Quad Core

 

Are there any tweaks or something for cpu? Of course, I could overclock, but first I'd like to make sure if this is really a cpu related problem. Also, I never oc'ed... so I'm a newb when it comes to that.

 

I think it is CPU issue. 2.8GHz is not very high these days. You should try to overclock your prosessor if it is K type. It`s not very hard after all, just changing CPU multiplier from BIOS for basic oc. Lots of good oc guides available for all CPUs and motherboards.

[ImVisier]

I think it is CPU issue. 2.8GHz is not very high these days. You should try to overclock your prosessor if it is K type. It`s not very hard after all, just changing CPU multiplier from BIOS for basic oc. Lots of good oc guides available for all CPUs and motherboards.

 

Thanks, but where can I check if my processor is a 'K'-type?

[LLv24_Zami]

Thanks, but where can I check if my processor is a 'K'-type?

 

http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html

 

Download, install that and run it. You will see it on the front page, first line. If there is K in your prosessor name you can oc it by just raising the multiplier.

[ImVisier]

http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html

 

Download, install that and run it. You will see it on the front page, first line. If there is K in your prosessor name you can oc it by just raising the multiplier.

 

It reads 'Intel Core I7 860' under 'Name', no 'K'. (If that is what you mean)

[ImVisier]

Btw, if I set my graphics in BoS to 'Low', does it affect the spotting of planes at distance? I've noticed something, if I play with low setting, I get about 38 fps when looking straight, not like balanced or higher, where I have to struggle with 32 frames. Yeah, I know, +6 frames ain't much, but it could work, gonna test now in dogfights...

[71st_AH_Hooves]

So is this a new rig? What mind of mother board do you have? The reason I ask is because I had the exact same issues all be it with a newer card,processor, and mobo. But in my Bios setting was a way to turn on "turbo" basically it over clocked the processor safely and poof I got amazing performance. This game is extremely processor heavy. Get that tight and you will fix the problem.

[ImVisier]

So is this a new rig? What mind of mother board do you have? The reason I ask is because I had the exact same issues all be it with a newer card,processor, and mobo. But in my Bios setting was a way to turn on "turbo" basically it over clocked the processor safely and poof I got amazing performance. This game is extremely processor heavy. Get that tight and you will fix the problem.

 

I've checked my motherboard with CPU-Z & it reads 'Acer Aspire M7811', dunno if that is what you meant because it's my computer model. :D

[71st_AH_Hooves]

I'm speaking of more of your bios settings and making sure the clock and voltage are correct. Is this a new computer?

Edited July 11, 2015 by [TWB]Hooves_McG

[Dakpilot]

The i7 860 was released in 2009, it was before intel used the 'K' to signify unlocked capabilities for overclocking

 

It does have 'Turbo" feature that can boost it to 3,4ghz, which could make a big difference if it is turned off in BIOS

 

As for overclocking this chip is more complicated than later models needing changes from stock voltage to achieve any overclock, and was not noted as giving as big and easy results as later overclock friendly CPU's from Intel such as 2600k series and above or even 900 series bloomfield of similar era.

 

For optimum performance with BoS you need an absolute  minimum of 3.5ghz per core of CPU, any speed boost over 4GHz will show noticeable results

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[LLv24_Zami]

Btw, if I set my graphics in BoS to 'Low', does it affect the spotting of planes at distance? I've noticed something, if I play with low setting, I get about 38 fps when looking straight, not like balanced or higher, where I have to struggle with 32 frames. Yeah, I know, +6 frames ain't much, but it could work, gonna test now in dogfights...

 

AFAIK graphic settings won`t affect spotting distances. Go ahead and choose low if that is what makes game playable.

 

First thing you should do is to check BIOS settings and specially that "Turbo" feature is turned on as Dakpilot stated above.

Edited July 11, 2015 by Zami

[No_85_Gramps]

You might want to check in the Windows "Power Plan" and select "High Performance" which should keep your processor at the turbo speed. In the advanced settings check the minimum processor state, make sure it is at 100.

[SYN_Vorlander]

Just upgrade ur pc.

[ImVisier]

The i7 860 was released in 2009, it was before intel used the 'K' to signify unlocked capabilities for overclocking

 

It does have 'Turbo" feature that can boost it to 3,4ghz, which could make a big difference if it is turned off in BIOS

 

As for overclocking this chip is more complicated than later models needing changes from stock voltage to achieve any overclock, and was not noted as giving as big and easy results as later overclock friendly CPU's from Intel such as 2600k series and above or even 900 series bloomfield of similar era.

 

For optimum performance with BoS you need an absolute  minimum of 3.5ghz per core of CPU, any speed boost over 4GHz will show noticeable results

 

Cheers Dakpilot

 

I've just checked out of curiosity my BIOS, and I didn't find a 'Turbo Mode'. :/

[No_85_Gramps]

I've just checked out of curiosity my BIOS, and I didn't find a 'Turbo Mode'. :/

 

Not all BIOS' have a setting for turbo mode. It's supposed to be controlled automatically as the system needs the extra power. Mine is an i5-4690, 3.5 normal, 3.9 in turbo mode. The power plan in windows keeps the minimum processor power at 80% or less of the maximum turbo speed. It appears to cause fluctuations in performance. I have mine set at 100%, min and max, and the processor runs at 3.9 all the time.

[ImVisier]

You might want to check in the Windows "Power Plan" and select "High Performance" which should keep your processor at the turbo speed. In the advanced settings check the minimum processor state, make sure it is at 100.

 

Weird, in advanced settings I don't have the 'Minimum processor state'-option. Only something about cooling the cpu.. which is set on active.

[No_85_Gramps]

You might find some useful info here:

http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials/51027-power-options-add-remove-min-max-processor-state.html

Article says it applies to Win 7 also.

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[ImVisier]

You might find some useful info here:

http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials/51027-power-options-add-remove-min-max-processor-state.html

Article says it applies to Win 7 also.

​

 

Thanks for the link, I've disabled Intel VT in BIOS (It didn't read 'Intel Virtualization Technology' or something like that under description, but I guess that was it), executed both of the .reg's, even rebooted to make sure the settings apply... but there's still no minimum/maximum processor state option available. I guess I'll just upgrade my CPU/Mainboard. Seems alot easier.

 

But I want to thank all of you for the help, tips & effort.

[ImVisier]

Not all BIOS' have a setting for turbo mode. It's supposed to be controlled automatically as the system needs the extra power. Mine is an i5-4690, 3.5 normal, 3.9 in turbo mode. The power plan in windows keeps the minimum processor power at 80% or less of the maximum turbo speed. It appears to cause fluctuations in performance. I have mine set at 100%, min and max, and the processor runs at 3.9 all the time.

 

I've decided to upgrade my CPU. I'm probably gonna go for the 'Intel core i5 4690k', the same you have. Is it playable on ultra with your CPU?

[SharpeXB]

I've decided to upgrade my CPU. I'm probably gonna go for the 'Intel core i5 4690k', the same you have. Is it playable on ultra with your CPU?

If you are looking at an upgrade, the new Skylake processors are coming in less than a month. It might be worth waiting to see what the prices are before buying a new CPU Edited July 12, 2015 by SharpeXB

[No_85_Gramps]

Yes, I've run it in Ultra, respectable FPS considering my GTX-750ti video. You just have to play w/BOS to get it the way you like. Also, the 4690K is overclockable but, and it's a big but, your mother board needs to support OC'ing in order for it to work. Mine is actually a K model, it was cheaper when I bought it. My MB does not support OC'ing so I just run it at turbo mode. But, if I ever upgrade my MB it will be one that allows OC'ing. You also need to check w/your MB manufacturer to see what CPUs the board supports.

[Dakpilot]

I've decided to upgrade my CPU. I'm probably gonna go for the 'Intel core i5 4690k', the same you have. Is it playable on ultra with your CPU?

 

My older model 3570K runs ultra quite well, but the CPU is not so important with graphic settings, more to do with minimum framerates . I do run it at 4.46ghz but this is easy with simple one click overclock provided by MB software, extra cooling may be necessary beyond the stock cooler, but monitoring temps and the actual computer hardware layout may allow a decent O/C with stock cooler

 

It may well be worth looking at reviews of the new Skylake intel CPU's about to launch, does not seem to be much of an increase on single core/thread performance (what BoS/sims need) but better to wait for accurate reviews, and anyway it 'may' drive down the price of the earlier model

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[guidom]

i am not sure if this has been covered already, i think SharpeXB mentioned it: uncheck fullscreen on the start screen before loading. i had this accidentally turned on after a reinstall, and could not understand why the graphics were "surging", that is to say, framerate was going from 100 to 20 to 100 within a second. turning off the fullscreen setting improves this for me dramatically.