DCS live interview 190D9 pilot

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

https://youtu.be/pvKs9VLUcCg

 

He speaks about BF109, FW190A6, A8, and FW190D9.

Edited June 30, 2015 by 71st_Mastiff

[Dr_Molenbeek]

That's for me !

 

Thanks for sharing, Mastiff.

[6./ZG26_Emil]

Yeh seriously a good find

Rudder presure info is very interesting

[Wulf]

Well, I'm really disappointed.  Maybe there were (are) a series of other interviews with this guy I don't know but if not, I find the line of questioning just 'bizarre'.

 

Landing speeds, brake pressure, slip, rudder deflection during takeoff, RPM and ata.  WTF, seriously?  No questions about the relative merits of the 109 v 190 A-6 v 190 D9 in combat etc.  No discussion about his views on the performance of enemy fighter types.  No questions about tactics.  No questions about the relative rolling ability of the 109 and 190.  Wow!

 

There are so many things I'd want to talk to this guy about but I can tell you for a fact; ata setting on final approach and whether he used full braking or not during taxiing wouldn't be on the list.  Jesus!

 

If I'd been there I'd have been inclined to throw the interviewer through a closed window - and I'm not, by nature, a violent person. 

Edited June 30, 2015 by Wulf

[=CFC=Conky]

Well, I suppose if you were building an aircraft simulator, the questions in the video would be exactly the type you would ask...

[Jaws2002]

^{Those were probably things they need to double check to fine tune the flight models.}

^{Cool guy. Thanks for posting.}

[BraveSirRobin]

Well, I'm really disappointed.  Maybe there were (are) a series of other interviews with this guy I don't know but if not, I find the line of questioning just 'bizarre'.

 

Landing speeds, brake pressure, slip, rudder deflection during takeoff, RPM and ata.  WTF, seriously?  No questions about the relative merits of the 109 v 190 A-6 v 190 D9 in combat etc.  No discussion about his views on the performance of enemy fighter types.  No questions about tactics.  No questions about the relative rolling ability of the 109 and 190.  Wow!

 

There are so many things I'd want to talk to this guy about but I can tell you for a fact; ata setting on final approach and whether he used full braking or not during taxiing wouldn't be on the list.  Jesus!

 

If I'd been there I'd have been inclined to throw the interviewer through a closed window - and I'm not, by nature, a violent person. 

 

[Edited]

 

These types of posts contribute nothing to any kind of real discussion.

Edited July 1, 2015 by Bearcat

[Soarfeat]

Nice interview--thanks for sharing Mastiff ! --

[69th_chuter]

Interesting that he talks about carrying extra speed at touchdown during landing but is emphatic that he always did three point landings.  By definition, if you're carrying extra speed at touchdown you're making a two point landing.  He is likely differentiating between tail low landings and "wheelie" landings usually done at higher speeds, actually flying the plane onto the ground.  Great interview

 

 

On the other hand, if he's meaning fence speed instead of landing speed it does make more sense - lol..

Edited July 1, 2015 by chuter

[Potenz]

great interview, very interesting stuff, mostly about the Anton behavior on landings, quite similar at the one we have in BoS

[Wulf]

I might be alone, but I'm really looking forward to when you release a flight sim.  I can tell that it's going to be awesome.  Unfortunately, the ground outside your window will probably be littered with dead programmers.

 

 

Yes well, perhaps I didn't actually pick up on the fact the the interview was done as background to the development of a sim.  My mistake.

 

[Edited]

 

Now, I can understand why these guys interviewed the Luftwaffe chap but I doubt they got much in the way of technical info from it.  How many of us would recall the detailed operation of our first car for example, 70 years after the event.  Not many I suspect.  And what we did remember would probably be corrupted by subsequent experience and memories. 

 

Also, as fascinated as some of us may be about technical aspects of WW 2 aviation, this would be of bugger-all interest to some 19 year old kid who would have very quickly come to the frightening realization that in all probability he'd be dead within the next few months if not weeks.  

 

I used to amuse my Father no end by asking him train-spotter type questions about his wartime experience as an air gunner.  He used to shake his head in bemused disbelief.  From what I could tell, their main interest appeared to be survival or more correctly in the absence of any hope of survival.  Having survived an OTU experience where 40% of his intake died in training, and people were considered to be living on borrowed time if they survived more that one or two operational sorties, (he didn't know anyone who even came close to surviving a tour) the little things held very little interest or meaning.  Drinking to forget and chain smoking appeared to be the major pre-occupations. 

Edited July 1, 2015 by Bearcat
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[Freycinet]

Yeah, but he didn't drive any other "car" (i.e. prop fighter) in the following 70 years, so no reason why his memory of flying the 190 would be corrupted. Often old memories stick much better than later ones, and I imagine flying in WWII would be the most intense and memorable period in his life.

[BraveSirRobin]

Also, as fascinated as some of us may be about technical aspects of WW 2 aviation, this would be of bugger-all interest to some 19 year old kid who would have very quickly come to the frightening realization that in all probability he'd be dead within the next few months if not weeks.  

 

 

Yes, I'm sure it would be a "complete bugger-all" to some kid who would depend on that knowledge in order to survive.  

[Wulf]

Yes, I'm sure it would be a "complete bugger-all" to some kid who would depend on that knowledge in order to survive.  

 

 

[Edited]

 

In the circumstances that prevailed at the time, it would have nothing to do with your chances of survival.  Stop reading war comics.

 

Do not disrespect the fallen aviators that we celebrate with this hobby of ours.

Edited July 1, 2015 by Bearcat
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[Finkeren]

Yeah, but he didn't drive any other "car" (i.e. prop fighter) in the following 70 years, so no reason why his memory of flying the 190 would be corrupted. Often old memories stick much better than later ones, and I imagine flying in WWII would be the most intense and memorable period in his life.

True dat.

 

Not to mention that at one point his life depended on being able to memorize all the intricate details of operating the Fw 190.

 

These are the interesting details. His personal assessment of the Fw 190 as a fighting machine compared to others is pretty unimportant, because he has no special experience to validate such assessment. He was not a test pilot, and even large amounts of combat experience is pretty much useless, because that is influenced by so many other factors than just his own machines performance; implementation of tactics, individual pilot skills, tactical situation etc.

[Feathered_IV]

[Edited]

I think threats of murderous violence are frowned on a bit in the forum rules. If you are not permanently banned, let us know how many warning points you get. I'd be curious to know.

Edited July 1, 2015 by Bearcat

[Wulf]

True dat.

 

Not to mention that at one point his life depended on being able to memorize all the intricate details of operating the Fw 190.

 

These are the interesting details. His personal assessment of the Fw 190 as a fighting machine compared to others is pretty unimportant, because he has no special experience to validate such assessment. He was not a test pilot, and even large amounts of combat experience is pretty much useless, because that is influenced by so many other factors than just his own machines performance; implementation of tactics, individual pilot skills, tactical situation etc.

 

 

Well, unimportant to you perhaps but I'd be interested.  He flew 3 types as I recall (109, 190 A and a D9) so his views on their handling/performance would have been of value to me at least.

And seriously, after 70 years, would you be confident that his recollections of the technical aspects of the operation of one fighter as compared another weren't mixed-up to some extent?  

 

I think threats of murderous violence are frowned on a bit in the forum rules. If you are not permanently banned, let us know how many warning points you get. I'd be curious to know.

 

Wooooah .... is that right!  Didn't know bro.  Swear to God.  I just assumed that if you could go around calling people Nazis on the Forum just because they happened to be German (remember) then threats would be fine.  How many warning points did you get for that little trip off the reservation m8?

 

Threats are never fine on this forum under any circumstances unless it is a threat fro some kind of action by an admin/ moderator for an offense. If you have an issue with a post report it.

Edited July 1, 2015 by Bearcat

[Finkeren]

Well, unimportant to you perhaps but I'd be interested. He flew 3 types as I recall (109, 190 A and a D9) so his views on their handling/performance would have been of value to me at least.

And seriously, after 70 years, would you be confident that his recollections of the technical aspects of the operation of one fighter as compared another weren't mixed-up to some extent?

 

Actually I'd trust his recollection of the technical details with 70 years of hindsight more than I'd trust his evaluation of individual types of aircraft in comparison. Those details have a tendency to stick, especially when your life once depended on them.

 

I once had a longer series of conversations with an old friend of the family who had spent 2.5 years in a KZ-camp, and it was incredible to hear how he remembered all those tiny little details about his life in the camp (he still knew the 5 or 6 prison numbers he had been asigned during his different internments by heart) but he couldn't remember if there was snow on the ground when he was sent on a death march in 1945 (which you'd think would be pretty important considering that many froze to death on those marches)

 

It struck me that the things he remembered most clearly were the things he had worked to memorize in order to stay alive.

[Feathered_IV]

I assume you are referring to the time I observed how the most [Edited] crazy and paranoid forum members such as [Edited], [Edited] and others always seem to be drawn exclusively to field equipment from Hitlers war machine? Good times that. Feel free to threaten to murder me too. You have three shots left.

 

Do not call other folks out by name in such a context on these boards. This post is also bordering on some slippery ground, as in coming very close to calling someone a Nazi or a Nazi sympathizer which is unacceptible. Let's just not go there.

Edited July 1, 2015 by Bearcat
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[Wulf]

I assume you are referring to the time I observed how the most [Edited] crazy and paranoid forum members such as [Edited], [Edited] and others always seem to be drawn exclusively to field equipment from Hitlers war machine? Good times that. Feel free to threaten to murder me too. You have three shots left.

 

 

Hmmmmm     ...... no, no ..... that wasn't the one.  Gee ... I'd quite forgotten.  Your forays into hate speech are now so numerous that some means of filing and categorizing your offerings may now be in order.  Let's just say it was one of those occasions when, perhaps somewhat the worse for drink, (I don't judge by the way) you'd elected to unleash the real Feathered.  All well intended I'm sure if somewhat poorly directed.  

Edited July 1, 2015 by Bearcat

[YSoMadTovarisch]

I wonder if he tested the D9 in DCS for a spin...

 

Because the D9(or any prop) in DCS can't spin with full power on

[von_Tom]

Thanks for the link Mastiff.

 

It reminded me of this - http://bbc.in/1KkCD9B and I always wonder what emotions were going through their heads when they tried a sim or flew in their old plane again.

 

von Tom

 

 

 

ps  I hope folks can see the BBC clip - it's about Joy Lofthouse, a female WWII RAF delivery pilot flying a Spitfire again.  She looks totally chilled.

[Wulf]

Thanks for the link Mastiff.

 

It reminded me of this - http://bbc.in/1KkCD9B and I always wonder what emotions were going through their heads when they tried a sim or flew in their old plane again.

 

von Tom

 

 

 

ps  I hope folks can see the BBC clip - it's about Joy Lofthouse, a female WWII RAF delivery pilot flying a Spitfire again.  She looks totally chilled.

 

 

I suspect a lot would depend on your own particular experience of war.  If you arrived on the scene as an Allied airman in late '44-'45 your war experience may well have been pleasant enough.  In the last year of the War the Allied air forces had an over-supply of aircrew.  As a result a lot of these guys went to war but never actually saw much in the way of action if any at all.  Many did little more than train.   I image a lot of these guys may have had very fond memories of their time on active service.  If they were able, I suspect a number of these guys would be happy enough playing CFS.

 

If, on the other hand, your war experience involved intense combat, particularly in the first years of war when the Allies were looking at a hiding to nothing, then your experience would likely have been somewhat less memorable.  Bitter, horrible and best forgotten (if that's ever really an option) may be another way to describe it.  In this latter scenario, the memories would more likely revolve around the deaths of your friends and the disgusting things you had seen.  

 

Put another way, how may infantry men who experienced intense combat in some well know action or other, where they were forced to deal with the death and mutilation of their friends and comrades, would be happy to play a first person shooter based on the action in question?  Not too many I'd imagine. 

[Reflected]

Back in the day when I was playing BoB2 WoV an ex Battle of Britain Hurricane pilot, Tim Elkington was an active member of the forums, and also played the game. He was extremely friendly, open and helpful, he seem to have appreciated the fact that a bunch of people like us were interested in that part of History, and in conserving the memory of him, his comrades and opponents.

[Bearcat]

A few posters in this thread need to think before they hit "post" or they will not be posting much in the near future.

 

Keep it civil.. watch the profanity and cut the personal stuff.

[Potenz]

It's quite amazing the amount of hate, sometime one see on this boards,

also i sometime wonder how many here has a party side when flying or playing

in a sim???

[ST_ami7b5]

Thanks for the link.

Very interesting

[Sokol1]

I wonder if he tested the D9 in DCS for a spin...

 

Because the D9(or any prop) in DCS can't spin with full power on

 

 

I think need a time for a "new player" - even if is a real pilot - get used to flight games, specially using that kind of joystick without springs.

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

I dont know what all this talk was about. Performance ? Specific evaluation ? 

 

I found most interesting thing in hearing his experiences and emotions, that small notes here and there. It is a great thing that memoirs of this men were recorded so we can hear all the interesting things he has to say. I think too many try to focus on pure numbers and try to match some graphs in this game, forgetting about joy of flying. Same here, just enjoy what he has to say 

[ST_ami7b5]

^^ this!

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Personally found it quite interesting Obviously they tried to get more info on the planes behaviour and getting feedback for the DCS module but I actually liked hearing his impressions of the planes habbits and strongpoints.

 

One interesting note that cought my attention was about the "Giant Carlifonian Slip" they used in the 109. It's basicly what we can't do in BoS due to overmodeled rudder roll momentums.

Edited July 1, 2015 by Stab/JG26_5tuka

[Reflected]

HE DID NOT PROVIDE HARD DATA!!!!

 

 

 

Just kidding. It was very interesting to hear him talk about aircraft handling in such details. Thanks for sharing! 

[J2_Trupobaw]

Well, I'm really disappointed.  Maybe there were (are) a series of other interviews with this guy I don't know but if not, I find the line of questioning just 'bizarre'.

 

Landing speeds, brake pressure, slip, rudder deflection during takeoff, RPM and ata.  WTF, seriously?  No questions about the relative merits of the 109 v 190 A-6 v 190 D9 in combat etc.  No discussion about his views on the performance of enemy fighter types.  No questions about tactics.  No questions about the relative rolling ability of the 109 and 190.  Wow!

 

There are so many things I'd want to talk to this guy about but I can tell you for a fact; ata setting on final approach and whether he used full braking or not during taxiing wouldn't be on the list.  Jesus!

 

If I'd been there I'd have been inclined to throw the interviewer through a closed window - and I'm not, by nature, a violent person. 

 

Well, it was DCS team who did the interviewing. Brake pressures and ata seem to be thing they concentrate on  when developing planes, leaving question what will happen if two of their products meet in the air to the customers.

Edited July 1, 2015 by Trupobaw

[von_Tom]

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One interesting note that cought my attention was about the "Giant Carlifonian Slip" they used in the 109. It's basicly what we can't do in BoS due to overmodeled rudder roll momentums.

You can but I think it's way harder or not as intuitive as it probably was, even with mucking about with inputs.

 

von Tom

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Not trying to fresh this up again but know, the mechanics in BoS are faulty in that regard. And that's not only what my 70 hours flight expirience tells

[von_Tom]

 

I'm kinda agreeing with you.

 

 

von Tom

[Lusekofte]

Thanks for sharing very interesting. 

[Bearcat]

One thing that it seems to me gets lost in the mix when comparing historic pilot accounts and data with flight sim data whether here in BoS or any other sim where these debates rage... is the seat of the pants factor.. That cannot be overstated. I have been fortunate enough to speak to dozens of men from the 332nd Fighter Group over the past 15 years... and when they talk about their aircraft experiences I get as many varied accounts on certain aircraft as there are pilots.. One guy found the p-40 extremely hard to take off in... he had to practically stand on the rudder pedal to keep it from flipping... while other pilots had no issues.. some found the Mustang very responsive while others found it very twitchy.. Most of them hated the P-39 out of the ones I spoke to that flew it.. along with a lot of other U.S. pilots who flew the P-39....  Yeager loved it...

 

This is why I take each sim on it's own merits and unless it is ridiculously far off ... close IMO is what it is and you just suck it up and learn to fly according to whatever the FM is.. whether BoS, CoD or DCS... or even IL2 .. which was where I developed this attitude..

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

You can always circumvent issues but personally I find it a little sad. One feauture the 109 does posess in BoS (which was explained in the video) is it's good gliding characteristics druing final. It's unfortunate we can't slip sufficiently though.

 

Personally I really appreciate sims with FMs that give planes a certain character setting them apart from other types. That's actually way more difficult to acchieve than correct max. speeds or climb rates.

Edited July 2, 2015 by Stab/JG26_5tuka

[Finkeren]

Personally I really appreciate sims with FMs that give planes a certain character setting them apart from other types. That's actually way more difficult to acchieve than correct max. speeds or climb rates.

 

That's actually what I think BoS (and to an even larger degree RoF) does so well. Each FM feels unique and each plane has its own quirks you have to learn to properly master it.