Zorin Posted December 14, 2012 Author Posted December 14, 2012 You know thjs how... The people who made RoF are WORKING WITH the Cliffs Of Dover team. How do you know that these things you proclaim as gospel are true? The truth is that you know as much as me and the next man in the street, which is errr..... basically nothing as yet Read the announcements and Jason's replies and then come back to apologise... Honestly, get informed before you dare confront me like this.
4pg_inferno Posted December 14, 2012 Posted December 14, 2012 Actally, it is very quite question. if you like it buy it. if you don't, just go away. If you like DCS-P51 that is ok. you can pay $39 just for one plane and no competitor to fight with. There isn't a project in the world can make everyone happy.
LeazesNDR Posted December 14, 2012 Posted December 14, 2012 (edited) Hark at this internet warrior/hardman Zorin :D Edited December 14, 2012 by LeazesNDR
71st_AH_Hooves Posted December 14, 2012 Posted December 14, 2012 Zorin that whole string of posts were troll posts. You know NOTHING about what BoS will be like, NO ONE DOES. Hell not even the devs do yet. They are creating something right now and they have a heck of a starting point, so thank god. Ill tell you this. Ladies and Gents this is it, BoS will be the last offering of any quality WWII sims, if it fails there is NO ONE on the horizon with the passion to make a detailed authentic WWII simmers sim. You will be stuck with leveling up your plane in War Thunder, which is comfortable doing what they plan on doing and that is making an ARCADE GAME. So you best be on board with the project because there isnt anything else. Your negative comments dont help anyone, there is nothing else to go to, so feel grateful that someone is putting their ass on the line to bring you a solid experience that on day one you can get in the sky with your squad mates and all go out fight and come back without a launcher crash. So like it or play IL2 1946, those are your choices. But for F's sake man quit with the martyr BS. 1
LeazesNDR Posted December 14, 2012 Posted December 14, 2012 Steady now Hooves, dont you dare talk to him like that :D
smink1701 Posted December 14, 2012 Posted December 14, 2012 Well... After reading all offical statements and Jason's first answers I have no clue who will want to buy BOS. It loses: - most of the techincal FM deatils of CloD, which were the natural evolution of IL-2/46 - the detailed 3D models of CloD, especially cockpits - does not provide a campaign building feature apart from 3rd party solutions some time down the road - the number of planes at release, 10, even though of considerably lesser deatil compared to CloD, is laughable, as they MUST include certain types that will likely be AI only (Ju52s, Li2s, gliders) - 95% of the content IL-2/46 has to offer So really, why would anyone want to buy this if he can get unmeasurably more out of the good old Il-2, especially seeing where TD is taking it. Please discuss. The developement of BOS will be a marathon, not a sprint. Let's see what they come up with before we say no to it. Regarding CLOD I think any reasonable developer would want to learn from 1C's mistakes and not repeat them.
Zorin Posted December 14, 2012 Author Posted December 14, 2012 Zorin that whole string of posts were troll posts. You know NOTHING about what BoS will be like, NO ONE DOES. Hell not even the devs do yet. They are creating something right now and they have a heck of a starting point, so thank god. Ill tell you this. Ladies and Gents this is it, BoS will be the last offering of any quality WWII sims, if it fails there is NO ONE on the horizon with the passion to make a detailed authentic WWII simmers sim. You will be stuck with leveling up your plane in War Thunder, which is comfortable doing what they plan on doing and that is making an ARCADE GAME. So you best be on board with the project because there isnt anything else. Your negative comments dont help anyone, there is nothing else to go to, so feel grateful that someone is putting their ass on the line to bring you a solid experience that on day one you can get in the sky with your squad mates and all go out fight and come back without a launcher crash. So like it or play IL2 1946, those are your choices. But for F's sake man quit with the martyr BS. I am deeply troubled to see that your only means of contributing to the discussion are defeatism and insults. Though counseling is not my job, so I just suggest you see someone about those aggressions you harbor inside yourself. They can turn a man sour, you know?
Volksieg Posted December 14, 2012 Posted December 14, 2012 (edited) You're not going to like my opinion one little bit, Zorin.... :D (Thought I'd get that out of the way now rather than later)Let's say BOS turned out to be almost identical in every way to IL2 1946.... but with better flight models and better graphics and sounds.... I'd buy that! I'm fairly sure all the people out there (Regardless of what any of us may think of them) who have ever thought "1946... heard great things about that!..... URGH look at those dated graphics!".... they'll buy it too. All the people who read the disastrous reviews of CloD, the horror stories on the forums etc and decided to avoid CloD like the plague... they'll probably buy it too!Better graphics.. better flight models... better AI... These are, pretty much, the only specification most apply to the decision as to whether to buy a sequel or not and the sole purpose of this venture is, after all, to provide a working product which people will enjoy... and, of course, to make some cash. Edited December 14, 2012 by Volksieg
=IRFC=Huetz Posted December 14, 2012 Posted December 14, 2012 Zorin, if you would actually try to adapt your wording a little bit to a grown up discussion, people may take you serious after all. Come on, you've shown you're capable of that just two pages back. Now where's Raaaid? I'm sure he would be able to bring some optimism and humor in. Seeing that the Russian community is more optimistic than this bunch over here, consider me Russian from now. They also have vodka. 1
Zorin Posted December 14, 2012 Author Posted December 14, 2012 (edited) You're not going to like my opinion one little bit, Zorin.... :D (Thought I'd get that out of the way now rather than later) Let's say BOS turned out to be almost identical in every way to IL2 1946.... but with better flight models and better graphics and sounds.... I'd buy that! I'm fairly sure all the people out there (Regardless of what any of us may think of them) who have ever thought "1946... heard great things about that!..... URGH look at those dated graphics!".... they'll buy it too. Better graphics.. better flight models... better AI... These are, pretty much, the only specification most apply to the decision as to whether to buy a sequel or not and the sole purpose of this venture is, after all, to provide a working product which people will enjoy. I have to disappoint you there, because I share your opinion, yet I am very concerned that making a second 1946 is not 1C Studios goal, at least not for the release, and that the foundation that they want to use and extent upon for another 14 years then will not serve them well. Plus, my feeling of uncertainty about them not being able to bring something new to the table that will bring new customers to the game. Face it, over the past 12 years, none of us got any younger and todays kids are spoiled beyond words. Edited December 14, 2012 by Zorin
smink1701 Posted December 14, 2012 Posted December 14, 2012 Zorin that whole string of posts were troll posts. You know NOTHING about what BoS will be like, NO ONE DOES. Hell not even the devs do yet. They are creating something right now and they have a heck of a starting point, so thank god. Ill tell you this. Ladies and Gents this is it, BoS will be the last offering of any quality WWII sims, if it fails there is NO ONE on the horizon with the passion to make a detailed authentic WWII simmers sim. You will be stuck with leveling up your plane in War Thunder, which is comfortable doing what they plan on doing and that is making an ARCADE GAME. So you best be on board with the project because there isnt anything else. Your negative comments dont help anyone, there is nothing else to go to, so feel grateful that someone is putting their ass on the line to bring you a solid experience that on day one you can get in the sky with your squad mates and all go out fight and come back without a launcher crash. So like it or play IL2 1946, those are your choices. But for F's sake man quit with the martyr BS. What he said!
Zorin Posted December 14, 2012 Author Posted December 14, 2012 (edited) Slighty off-topic, but may I present you the first PM I received on this forum? Go and fuck yourself you arsehole Well, don't you love having to deal with immature adults?... Edited December 14, 2012 by Zorin
FlatSpinMan Posted December 14, 2012 Posted December 14, 2012 All hail the might Zorin, for he has proclaimed himself knowledgable! What the hell kind of comment is this, Zorin? You've been around Il2 forums long enough to know that this is rubbish: "Read the announcements and Jason's replies and then come back to apologise... Honestly, get informed before you dare confront me like this. I am deeply troubled to see that your only means of contributing to the discussion are defeatism and insults. Though counseling is not my job, so I just suggest you see someone about those aggressions you harbor inside yourself. They can turn a man sour, you know?
Zorin Posted December 14, 2012 Author Posted December 14, 2012 (edited) All hail the might Zorin, for he has proclaimed himself knowledgable! What the hell kind of comment is this, Zorin? You've been around Il2 forums long enough to know that this is rubbish: "Read the announcements and Jason's replies and then come back to apologise... Honestly, get informed before you dare confront me like this. I am deeply troubled to see that your only means of contributing to the discussion are defeatism and insults. Though counseling is not my job, so I just suggest you see someone about those aggressions you harbor inside yourself. They can turn a man sour, you know? Just because I know of the existence of certain subjects does that mean that I have to tolerate their actions/comments? I don't think so. Edited December 14, 2012 by Zorin
=IRFC=Huetz Posted December 14, 2012 Posted December 14, 2012 I have to disappoint you there, because I share your opinion, yet I am very concerned that making a second 1946 is not 1C Studios goal, at least not for the release, and that the foundation that they want to use and extent upon for another 14 years then will not serve them well. Plus, my feeling of uncertainty about them not being able to bring something new to the table that will bring new customers to the game. Face it, over the past 12 years, none of us got any younger and todays kids are spoiled beyond words. Sorry, but the flight sim genre has never been appealing to any of the spoiled kids you speak off. Point being that people that are interested in gaming and flight will at one point or the other find out about a new product and then buy it based on a few key factors that 777's past track record shows they are able to deliver. Next fun fact is people will always flock to the currently perceived best product in a particular genre, even more so in the flightsim community with less new products available on a regular basis. No "kid" is honestly going to be interested in how many buttons they are able to click in a cockpit or what lever does what, nor which piece of ammunition goes in what belt, etc. If anything too much depth of gameplay over a balanced set (IL2, LOMAC, RoF) of modeling what's needed has been the strength that kept IL2 going for all those years. This honestly is turning into putting yourself up as the martyr for attention and nothing more. There's no need to play devil's advocate.
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