What is the point?

[vl6]

Wait for the devs to be done with their talking, not taking on board any input from their community and end up with a product that doesn't suit the market? Sounds oddly familiar...

So you think you will change the development of the sim with a topic like this? Don't be silly. You don't added nothing new or useful with this thread. Besides 777 proved to be a responsable company.

[=IRFC=Huetz]

The statement that bothers me the most is...

 

15) Do you plan the level of graphics cockpits like in basic models in CLOD (Spitfire/Bf-109)?

 

No. You will not see this. The reasons are simple. The creation of one such cockpit takes a year, sometimes more. The popularity of the genre has to be phenomenal for such expenses were justified. If we are not careful, the budget ends and with it the end of the project. It is also not too wise to use more PC than necessary and use twenty textures, where it was sufficient to use three. Not being smart with resources can result in serious performance problems. We hope to find a balanced solution. Good performance with nice looking cockpits.

 

I hope that my fears will be swept away but to renounce to a feature like CloD cockpit LOD (dynamic shadows and so on) would be a leap in the dark..

Will see...

Salute to you all, what a strange feeling is chatting on the new forum..do not you too?

 

I can sweep away your fears by telling you the quality of RoF cockpits is top-notch in terms of visuals and accuracy. In fact it's also dynamic which allows for switching of instruments on the fly... or rather in the hangar.

 

You could also just download the client and see for yourself, seeing that it's free with two planes and all

Edited December 14, 2012 by Huetz

[Zorin]

So you think you will change the development of the sim with a topic like this? Don't be silly. You don't added nothing new or useful with this thread. Besides 777 proved to be a responsable company.

 

Don't be daft, of course not.

 

All I am trying to do is create an awareness for possible conflict in the future. Therefor i will closeley follow the first announcements with high hopes for 1C Studios to take a VERY clear stance and tell us exactly what their plans are. After all the cloud and dagger nonsense that CloD was and the promise of an all embracing 777 dev team, it is the least to expect of them.

Edited December 14, 2012 by Zorin

[FlatSpinMan]

Yes. What is the point of having a better looking, reliable, ever-updating new sim about WW2? Hmm.Beats me.

[VPK_CARTOON]

Oh man ! We are discussing the very same on russian forum using the same words )))) Overall mood is optimistic though )))

[Zorin]

Oh man ! We are discussing the very same on russian forum using the same words )))) Overall mood is optimistic though )))

 

Not surprised, cause this is so obvious the very core issue. Though some tend to actively ignore it.

[=IRFC=Jorri]

with high hopes for 1C Studios to take a VERY clear stance and tell us exactly what their plans are

 

.....and then you burn them down

[BlitzPig_EL]

Just some observations.  Nothing personal meant.

 I do fly CloD, RoF, and il2/'46, so I have a base point to go from here.

 

1.  CloD's immersive feeling of flight is unmatched by either RoF or '46, with RoF being better than '46, but since there are no modern aircraft in RoF, and nothing that can attain high altitudes by 1940's standards, it is impossible to say if RoF's engine is capable dealing with high speed/near transonic flight, and being able to deliver a real "feel of flight" with aircraft that can.

 

2.  We know, for a fact that RoF's engine cannot deliver a reasonable portrayal of large scale land battles. It will have to do this for BoS and beyond to be a successful WW2 game engine.

 

3.  The ground rendering of RoF, to the eyes of most of us coming from IL2 is, well, cartoonish.  The earth is not a pastel water color picture.

 

4.  Long time RoF fans, please try to remember that the "IL2 Crowd" as we have been derisively called, come from a long history of using a very successful product.  We have very high expectations.  Unlike WW1 pilots (no offence meant), that went for over a decade with nothing new in the gaming world for them, and would have been happy with any new WW1 sim.  We won't be happy with just any product.  Not an insult, a fact.

 

Ok, so no one knows yet what the new sim will bring.  I understand that.  But what we do have is experience with the current build of the new engine, and that is why some of us are expressing our concerns.   RoF is a fun dogfight sim, but there is a lot more to WW2 combat than just two aerial Knights jousting over the front.  Hence we are worried.

[vl6]

Don't be daft, of course not.

 

All I am trying to do is create an awareness for possible conflict in the future. Therefor i will closeley follow the first announcements with high hopes for 1C Studios to take a VERY clear stance and tell us exactly what their plans are. After all the cloud and dagger nonsense that CloD was and the promise of an all embracing 777 dev team, it is the least to expect of them.

ok man, do what pleases you, but you are walking in circles here.

[Zorin]

ok man, do what pleases you, but you are walking in circles here.

 

I rather see myself standing still and holding a big signpost that reads BEWARE. Though you are of course entitled to your own assumptions.

 

Just some observations.  Nothing personal meant.

 I do fly CloD, RoF, and il2/'46, so I have a base point to go from here.

 

1.  CloD's immersive feeling of flight is unmatched by either RoF or '46, with RoF being better than '46, but since there are no modern aircraft in RoF, and nothing that can attain high altitudes by 1940's standards, it is impossible to say if RoF's engine is capable dealing with high speed/near transonic flight, and being able to deliver a real "feel of flight" with aircraft that can.

 

2.  We know, for a fact that RoF's engine cannot deliver a reasonable portrayal of large scale land battles. It will have to do this for BoS and beyond to be a successful WW2 game engine.

 

3.  The ground rendering of RoF, to the eyes of most of us coming from IL2 is, well, cartoonish.  The earth is not a pastel water color picture.

 

4.  Long time RoF fans, please try to remember that the "IL2 Crowd" as we have been derisively called, come from a long history of using a very successful product.  We have very high expectations.  Unlike WW1 pilots (no offence meant), that went for over a decade with nothing new in the gaming world for them, and would have been happy with any new WW1 sim.  We won't be happy with just any product.  Not an insult, a fact.

 

Ok, so no one knows yet what the new sim will bring.  I understand that.  But what we do have is experience with the current build of the new engine, and that is why some of us are expressing our concerns.   RoF is a fun dogfight sim, but there is a lot more to WW2 combat than just two aerial Knights jousting over the front.  Hence we are worried.

 

Nicely put.

[HolyGrail]

Zorin does not mean ill , he is just asking question which many of us have but might not have

the balls to ask for being called silly and trying to kill right on the spot what should be a brand new simulator .

Thank you for asking Zorin

[=IRFC=Jorri]

What exactly do you mean by 'feeling of flight'? Because many say the 'feeling of flight' in RoF is unparalleled in any other sim, including many pilots.

 

I mean, the conclusion will probably be that you can argue for either product to be better, depending what you want to get out of it or expect from it. Personally, feeling of flight for me, means the feeling of being lifted into the air, with all the appropriate physics. RoF does that for me, in the way the physics work.

 

If feeling of flight for you is, for example, managing every part of the plane's systems, then yes CloD will be the better one.

[DD_bongodriver]

Since when did asking questions ever kill a flight sim?

[=IRFC=Jorri]

It's all about tone and atittude. I see a lot of questions that are badly disguised judgements .

[Laser]

Just some observations.  Nothing personal meant.

 I do fly CloD, RoF, and il2/'46, so I have a base point to go from here.

 

1.  CloD's immersive feeling of flight is unmatched by either RoF or '46, with RoF being better than '46, but since there are no modern aircraft in RoF, and nothing that can attain high altitudes by 1940's standards, it is impossible to say if RoF's engine is capable dealing with high speed/near transonic flight, and being able to deliver a real "feel of flight" with aircraft that can.

 

2.  We know, for a fact that RoF's engine cannot deliver a reasonable portrayal of large scale land battles. It will have to do this for BoS and beyond to be a successful WW2 game engine.

 

3.  The ground rendering of RoF, to the eyes of most of us coming from IL2 is, well, cartoonish.  The earth is not a pastel water color picture.

 

4.  Long time RoF fans, please try to remember that the "IL2 Crowd" as we have been derisively called, come from a long history of using a very successful product.  We have very high expectations.  Unlike WW1 pilots (no offence meant), that went for over a decade with nothing new in the gaming world for them, and would have been happy with any new WW1 sim.  We won't be happy with just any product.  Not an insult, a fact.

 

Ok, so no one knows yet what the new sim will bring.  I understand that.  But what we do have is experience with the current build of the new engine, and that is why some of us are expressing our concerns.   RoF is a fun dogfight sim, but there is a lot more to WW2 combat than just two aerial Knights jousting over the front.  Hence we are worried.

 

I am a ww1 fan, i fly RoF, but i also have CloD installed.

 

For the feeling of flight, i have the reversed opinion: i find RoF more believable than CloD. Perhaps the real reason is where each one's heart is (ww1 planes, or ww2 planes).

 

I think Il2 fans have great expectations, yes, but also i think they are so much vocal due to:

a) they were left to talk by themselves for a long time without any real answers, like 100 children locked up in a big room. So if one cries, the cry will be amplified without any real "authority" (someone with answers) intervening.

B) they are many - big numbers crowd act differently (visit a MMO forum if you want, for an exaggeration)

c) WW1 fans are a little more romantic - hence the era - dawn of modern warfare, beginning of combat flight etc. while ww2 fans are more 'grim' - they act in a more harshly manner

 

But in general, it always puzzles me how (in general) combat flight simulation fans act both like brave heroes on the front, and crying ladies at the same time (don't get me wrong, this is not aimed at you or IL2 fans in particular, i see it a lot in RoF forums). It may have something to do with imaginary wounds.

Edited December 14, 2012 by Laser

[ATAG_Slipstream]

Well you are possibly understandably a little defensive Jorri (no offense meant), as a lot of people from RoF suddenly have to deal with several thousand incomers from il2, who have all sorts of questions, some of them unpalatable to the faithful.For an idea of numbers, the 1c CoD forum has 10,711 threads and  204,458 posts currently. It is by far the busiest forum at 1c.Thats a lot of people who might want to know things.

Edited December 14, 2012 by JG52Uther

[FlatSpinMan]

 

I hope that my fears will be swept away but to renounce to a feature like CloD cockpit LOD (dynamic shadows and so on) would be a leap in the dark..

 

Hey man, from RoF I recall that there were dynamic shadows on the plane as a whole, including the cockpit. I would imagine this won't change.

[addman]

Zorin does not mean ill , he is just asking question which many of us have but might not have

the balls to ask for being called silly and trying to kill right on the spot what should be a brand new simulator .

Thank you for asking Zorin

 

Good post, I can agree with this, otherwise we might end up with another CloD on our hands. Commence the heari...ehr, questioning!

[BlitzPig_EL]

What exactly do you mean by 'feeling of flight'? Because many say the 'feeling of flight' in RoF is unparalleled in any other sim, including many pilots.

 

I mean, the conclusion will probably be that you can argue for either product to be better, depending what you want to get out of it or expect from it. Personally, feeling of flight for me, means the feeling of being lifted into the air, with all the appropriate physics. RoF does that for me, in the way the physics work.

 

If feeling of flight for you is, for example, managing every part of the plane's systems, then yes CloD will be the better one.

 

It is the same thing for me.  It's not about just managing systems, it's about the "feel" of the virtual aircraft.  And as I said RoF is better at this than '46 is, but, will this transfer over to more modern and much heavier and faster aircraft?  This is an unknown and cause for concern.

[DD_bongodriver]

It's all about tone and atittude. I see a lot of questions that are badly disguised judgements .

 

Ever been to the banana forums?

[=IRFC=Jorri]

I'm very curious about that as well, ElAurens. I guess we will have to wait some time to find out!

 

Edit: only when linked to them from the ROF forums, bongo..and I'm sure they only linked either the best or worst, so I won't judge based on what I've seen from it.

Edited December 14, 2012 by hq_Jorri

[=IRFC=Huetz]

Well you are possibly understandably a little defensive Jorri (no offense meant), as a lot of people from RoF suddenly have to deal with several thousand incomers from il2, who have all sorts of questions, some of them unpalatable to the faithful.For an idea of numbers, the 1c CoD forum has 10,711 threads and  204,458 posts currently. It is by far the busiest forum at 1c.Thats a lot of people who might want to know things.

 

Pretty much this, especially since a lot people actually are not interested in WW1 and hardly (if at all) know what 777 does and how they handle things.

 

On a sidenote, to some people this place may look like a bit of a snakepit right now but it's a civilized garden of roses compared to some MMO forums out there.

 

I too am thinking that RoF is a tad closer to my RL flying experience - however I'm also curious how well the feeling of flight will be portrayed in BoS. It's crucial that they get this part right, after all that's the heart and sould of a flight sim.

Edited December 14, 2012 by Huetz

[EAF_Paf]

Just some observations.  Nothing personal meant.

 I do fly CloD, RoF, and il2/'46, so I have a base point to go from here.

 

1.  CloD's immersive feeling of flight is unmatched by either RoF or '46, with RoF being better than '46, but since there are no modern aircraft in RoF, and nothing that can attain high altitudes by 1940's standards, it is impossible to say if RoF's engine is capable dealing with high speed/near transonic flight, and being able to deliver a real "feel of flight" with aircraft that can.

 

2.  We know, for a fact that RoF's engine cannot deliver a reasonable portrayal of large scale land battles. It will have to do this for BoS and beyond to be a successful WW2 game engine.

 

3.  The ground rendering of RoF, to the eyes of most of us coming from IL2 is, well, cartoonish.  The earth is not a pastel water color picture.

 

4.  Long time RoF fans, please try to remember that the "IL2 Crowd" as we have been derisively called, come from a long history of using a very successful product.  We have very high expectations.  Unlike WW1 pilots (no offence meant), that went for over a decade with nothing new in the gaming world for them, and would have been happy with any new WW1 sim.  We won't be happy with just any product.  Not an insult, a fact.

 

Ok, so no one knows yet what the new sim will bring.  I understand that.  But what we do have is experience with the current build of the new engine, and that is why some of us are expressing our concerns.   RoF is a fun dogfight sim, but there is a lot more to WW2 combat than just two aerial Knights jousting over the front.  Hence we are worried.

 

 

I can understand your worries there. But actually there are so many ROF users coming from the same background as you. Me is one for example and it is alwways a strange feeling to read "Rof crowd" & "Il2/Clod crowd". I have both, also my squadron flies both sims. I can say flying ROF is more than pure dogfight for us. We fly Coops using realistic settings/environment. Actually there is lot in common with flying WW2. Many of the tactics and squadronflying was born in the first airwar, but it all happens with different material at different speed, altitudes etc.

Well, i am with you really interested what this product will be like simulating WW2 Airwar.

 

 

Edit: man I am slow, lol (excuse, baby on arm )

Edited December 14, 2012 by paf

[kristenburnout]

This new sim is simply what I was hoping for. No more, no less than that. 777/1c is making honest promises, which seem realistic relative to the time they have. They seem comitted to make a good, honest WWII combat sim, instead of promising lots of amazing features and dazzling amounts of detail, and ending up with an unfinished product.

Edited December 14, 2012 by kristenburnout

[LoneRanger]

I play both for a long time and all I can say is that both sims have their pros and cons.

 

And I guess that's about all we can say, since it will be over a year, until we actually see ourselves, what happens, if you mix both.

 

 

<bored> So just the good old Banana-Stir-Up in a glass full of "I know better than you, kid" </bored>

Edited December 14, 2012 by Bricks

[MadTommy]

Well...

 

After reading all offical statements and Jason's first answers I have no clue who will want to buy BOS.

 

 

Me, I'll buy it the day it is released.

 

Why.. because it is a WWII flight sim made by the company that have made a great WWI flight sim joined by the best that made CloD.

 

It will likely cost me the cost of taking the wife out for dinner and give me many hours of entertainment, and if it doesn't, so be it, what's to loose, or complain about.

 

Some people are so damn negative, i feel sorry for you.

Edited December 14, 2012 by MadTommy

[DD_fruitbat]

Well, i for one can't wait for the new game, if only because when we have that it might end the RoF/CLOD fanatics arguing about whose dick is bigger, of which i am well and truly bored of already, and its only day 3 on this forum.

Edited December 14, 2012 by fruitbat

[dburne]

I msyelf am looking forward to the release - perhaps then the discussions here will be more about Il2 BoS, rather than ROF and CLoD...

[MadTommy]

Well, i for one can't wait for the new game, if only because when we have that it might end the RoF/CLOD fanatics arguing about whose dick is bigger, of which i am well and truly bored of already, and its only day 3 on this forum.

 

 

hmm very small indeed :D

[=IRFC=Huetz]

hmm very small indeed :D

 

You sir are a pervert and a scholar.

[BlitzPig_EL]

 

 

Well played sir.

[DD_fruitbat]

:D

 

i bet he still has fun though!

[Feathered_IV]

[HolyGrail]

Well, i for one can't wait for the new game, if only because when we have that it might end the RoF/CLOD fanatics arguing about whose dick is bigger, of which i am well and truly bored of already, and its only day 3 on this forum.

 

L.O.L couldn't resist :D

[J2_Trupobaw]

I hope the former respective dev teams are geting along better than respective fanbases ...

EDIT: Holy ...! Grail... Is that what I see above my post?

Edited December 14, 2012 by Trupobaw

[=IRFC=Huetz]

So... how's everyone doing today?

[PeterZvan]

Doing fine here - sure is exciting to read.

Deffinitly is some interest out there.

Edited December 14, 2012 by hq Peter Zvan

[FlatSpinMan]

Yes it's childish and puerile but that is so far extremely fitted to these forms. Nothing is better or worse, just wrong or right! Rabid members of both sides are going t it and it just makes no sense given that we will all play one sim! 

[thx1138]

Well..

 

It will gain.

 

Draw distance. No more trouble bombing because you can actualy see your target from afar.

Clouds.

Weather effects, rain, overcast.

Proper historical plane perfomance.

Realistic Tracers.

Superb visual propeler effect.

Start up sounds. (still cant hear my engine sounds on idle online in CLOD)

Dynamic campain?

Easy to use fast mission generator and alot of single missions.

Realy nice main menu interface with descriptions and live 3d models of every plane in the game.

Slow motion sounds witch its just fantastic for replays.

And exelent replay functions with time bar so you actualy go backwards in your tracks instead of having to start watching over again to get to the action scenes.

Easy camera controls, no need to deactivate track ir to look around your airplane in external view.

 

You know, all around Rof is a such much better product that i cant even explain it, you have to try it. And know these guys are working on ww2 and stalingrad, i just cant belive it. Im realy looking forward to this.

I dont know how BOS will be, but i am pretty sure it will not lack any features of ROF, it will probaly bring more

 

 

Hi all

 

First off hello, my first post here.

 

Coming over from ROF to check in here, and I'm brand new to ROF too. As you write Rof can't be explained you have to fly it.

 

To fly my Neuport into a cloud and feel it bouncing around with raindrops running off my goggels. To dive down on an Alby and have to remember not to dive too fast or wings rip off, not to overspeed the engine, nor under temp it, and to remember to increase the mixture or the engine will cut out for being too lean all while lining up for a gunnery pass..

.

And I love Il2 as well. Nothing like carrier ops for me. I do plan to get back on Zekes vs Wildcats again

 

So, I want all the best for BoS !!!

 

The flight sim community is small compared to other games, so we all need to stand behind what surely will be a great sim (BoS)

[LeazesNDR]

 

It loses:

 

- most of the techincal FM deatils of CloD, which were the natural evolution of IL-2/46

- the detailed 3D models of CloD, especially cockpits

- does not provide a campaign building feature apart from 3rd party solutions some time down the road

 

You know this how...

The people who made RoF are WORKING WITH the Cliffs Of Dover team. How do you know that  these things you proclaim as gospel are true and will not be included in the sim at some point?

 

The truth is that you know as much as me and the next man in the street, which is errr..... basically nothing as yet.

 

Give the people who are doing us all a favour by making this sim a chance for gawds sake. :D

Edited December 14, 2012 by LeazesNDR