BoS, Head tracking and limited head pitch (up/down movement)

[Sorbifer]

Hello!

 

Maybe there is a fix somewhere and/or a workaround, but I cannot find it.

 

In BoS - differently to all other simulators - when I do use head tracking software (like Freetrack or Opentrack), my pilot's head movements cannot reach 90 degrees up. Namely I cannot stare up to check what is above me. Is it possible to fix it somewhere? In FT I tried many things, nothing works. I can look straight up in RoF, old Il2, CloD, WarThunder... but not in BoS. Strange, isn't it?

 

And in fact it "spoils" my way I am tracking the enemy. Simply during the dogfight many times he is disappearing from my view and I must do a strange head movement trying to get him back in front of my pilot's virtual eyes.

 

Any help appreciated a lot. Thanks in advance.

 

[No_85_Gramps]

In opentrack make sure that the pitch curve upper limit is set to 180. Only way I know to get opentrack to give you 90 degrees of pitch up/down.

[Sorbifer]

In OpenTrack? OK, I will try this. In FT I have already checked that option, setting limit from +-160 to 180 degrees of pitch, and it did not fix it, unfortunately.

 

OpenTrack with a version 2.2a2 only? Like mentioned here? http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/12772-opentrack-22a2-file-allows-90degree-pitch-view/

 

By the way - if someone could pass the good and reliable OpenTrack INI file, I would appreciate it very much. Currently my OpenTrack profile works worse than FT, much less smoother. Looks like it gives integer degrees output, so e.g. yaw 21 degrees, not 20.7, at least this is how it looks now on my computer. Looks like smoothing problems, or filtering options... no idea.

 

 

PS: I wonder how it works for TrackIR's users.

[No_85_Gramps]

I am currently using 2.3, RC12. Some things have changed and I don't think my ini file will work for 2.2 versions. I will post an update later on that talks about the new version. For the Tracker I use PointTracker 1.1, Protocol is freetrack 2.0 enhanced, and the Accela filter. I also use a PS3 eye camera and a home made IR LED unit attached to my headphones.

[Sorbifer]

Thanks in advance! I have got everything set like you wrote above, but simply the devil is in the details, something is set a bit wrong, and therefore usage is much less effective and smooth than in FreeTrack. Pity, especially when OpenTrack is being developed and FT is abandonware now...

[Sorbifer]

PS: It looks for me that it is a bug in the game. Indeed using OpenTrack allows to have full range, +-90 degrees of head pitchamd +-180 of yaw. But strange enough finishing the game and coming again with FT in use it happened that it was also working. But not after system restart. So it seems like OT sets something in the game? Hmmm... And obviously not only a problem of FT, also FTNOIR has that issue: http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11340

 

PPS: I would move to OT but I still have no luck with its filtering options. From those three included one works only, but the final effects are not promising - still very erratic movement (micro moves/shakes), no stability of FT. Help needed.

Edited June 12, 2015 by Sorbifer

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

When you can't pitch up/down more than 45 deggre. Opentrack -> protocol settings, the EZCA box ticked. For me Opentrack is working perfectly smooth and responsive.

[No_85_Gramps]

When you can't pitch up/down more than 45 deggre. Opentrack -> protocol settings, the EZCA box ticked. For me Opentrack is working perfectly smooth and responsive.

EZCA does the trick but it is no longer an option in the 2.3 version. If I get the time today I will do a small write-up on ver 2.3 RC12 but most likely it will be in a day or two.

[Sorbifer]

OK - pitch works fine in OT. Now the problem is the stability. Tomcatqw - could you post your ini file? I would check the filter settings you have got.

 

Gramps - by write-up you mean some changes in github code? And another RC?

Edited June 13, 2015 by Sorbifer

[No_85_Gramps]

Just what's changed in the new version. How do you have your curves set? You need to adjust the deadzone to account for the stability. You need to set all six. You can see the deadzone I have for one axis in the pic.

 

[Sorbifer]

OK, deadzones help having for stable gunsight view. For any angle look it does not. Filtering settings helped a lot, it is much better now, not so perfect as in FT but close.

 

And of course 90 degrees pitch works only for OT 2.2, not for the latest one, even with setting mapping to +-180 degrees. And obviously not working with FT.

 

By the way NewView does not work also with FT. How it is possible? Registry entry goes to NewView, it redirects to FT or OT, but the game anyway takes data directly from FT and/or OT. Another sad story with BoS.

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

Work best with OpenTrack 2.2a2 version

 

ini:

[Curves-rx]

point-count=2

point-0-x=2.46857142448425

point-0-y=0

point-1-x=22.7999992370605

point-1-y=166

 

[Curves-ry]

point-count=3

point-0-x=2.05714297294617

point-0-y=0

point-1-x=2.05714297294617

point-1-y=0

point-2-x=12.6514282226562

point-2-y=90

 

[Curves-ry_alt]

point-count=2

point-0-x=2.05714297294617

point-0-y=0

point-1-x=12.1371431350708

point-1-y=90

 

[Curves-rz]

point-count=2

point-0-x=6.17142857142857

point-0-y=0

point-1-x=23.6000003814697

point-1-y=180

 

[Curves-tx]

point-count=3

point-0-x=5.14285707473755

point-0-y=0

point-1-x=14.1714286804199

point-1-y=100

point-2-x=15.1428575515747

point-2-y=100

 

[Curves-ty]

point-count=2

point-0-x=5.14285707473755

point-0-y=0

point-1-x=14.5714282989502

point-1-y=100

 

[Curves-tz]

point-count=2

point-0-x=4.7142858505249

point-0-y=0

point-1-x=18

point-1-y=100

 

[Tracking]

Smooth=1

invertYaw=true

invertPitch=true

invertRoll=false

invertX=false

invertY=false

invertZ=false

rx_alt=false

ry_alt=false

rz_alt=false

tx_alt=false

ty_alt=false

tz_alt=false

tcomp-rz=false

compensate=false

zero_tx=0

zero_ty=0

zero_tz=0

zero_rx=0

zero_ry=0

zero_rz=0

 

[GameProtocol]

DLL=libopentrack-proto-freetrack.dll

 

[KB_Shortcuts]

Keycode_Center=199

Shift_Center=true

Ctrl_Center=false

Alt_Center=false

Keycode_StartStop=207

Shift_StartStop=false

Ctrl_StartStop=false

Alt_StartStop=false

Key_index_Center=27

Shift_Toggle=false

Ctrl_Toggle=true

Alt_Toggle=false

Key_index_Toggle=27

 

[PPJoy]

Selection=1

 

[FSUIPC]

LocationOfDLL=C:/Program Files/Microsoft Games/Flight Simulator 9/Modules/FSUIPC.dll

 

[TrackerSource]

Selection=0

DLL=libopentrack-tracker-pt.dll

2ndDLL=

 

[Filter]

DLL=libopentrack-filter-accela.dll

 

[sMTracker]

FilterLevel=1

EnableRoll=true

EnablePitch=true

EnableYaw=true

EnableX=true

EnableY=true

EnableZ=true

 

[Accela]

Reduction=1000

zoom-slowness=5

smoothing-factor=1.5

rotation-alpha=6

translation-alpha=8

deadzone=0

exponent=2

second-order-alpha=3

third-order-alpha=4

axis-0=1.5

axis-1=1.5

axis-2=1

axis-3=0.8

axis-4=0.9

axis-5=1.25

rotation-deadband=0.675

translation-deadband=0.45

 

[Curves-Accela-Scaling-Rotation]

point-count=6

point-0-x=0

point-0-y=0

point-1-x=0.535433053970337

point-1-y=0.29824560880661

point-2-x=0.992125988006592

point-2-y=0.736842095851898

point-3-x=1.33070862293243

point-3-y=1.59649121761322

point-4-x=1.4960629940033

point-4-y=3.29824566841125

point-5-x=1.58267712593079

point-5-y=8

 

[Curves-Accela-Scaling-Translation]

point-count=5

point-0-x=0

point-0-y=0

point-1-x=0.346456706523895

point-1-y=1

point-2-x=0.559055089950562

point-2-y=3.15789484977722

point-3-x=0.700787425041199

point-3-y=5.54385948181152

point-4-x=0.795275568962097

point-4-y=8

 

[PointTracker]

CameraId=0

CameraF=@Variant(\0\0\0\x87?\x80\0\0)

CameraResX=640

CameraResY=480

CameraFPS=75

CameraRoll=0

CameraPitch=0

CameraYaw=0

PointExtractThreshold=132

PointExtractThresholdSecondary=132

PointExtractMinSize=10

PointExtractMaxSize=50

PointModelM01x=@Variant(\0\0\0\x87\0\0\0\0)

PointModelM01y=@Variant(\0\0\0\x87\x42 \0\0)

PointModelM01z=@Variant(\0\0\0\x87\xc1\xf0\0\0)

PointModelM02x=@Variant(\0\0\0\x87\0\0\0\0)

PointModelM02y=@Variant(\0\0\0\x87\xc2\x8c\0\0)

PointModelM02z=@Variant(\0\0\0\x87\xc2\xa0\0\0)

tMHx=@Variant(\0\0\0\x87\0\0\0\0)

tMHy=@Variant(\0\0\0\x87\0\0\0\0)

tMHz=@Variant(\0\0\0\x87\0\0\0\0)

DynamicPoseResolution=false

VideoWidget=true

SleepTime=10

ResetTime=1000

EnableRoll=true

EnablePitch=true

EnableYaw=true

EnableX=true

EnableY=true

EnableZ=true

 

[PointTrackerDialog]

ActiveModelPanel=0

CustomM01x=0

CustomM01y=40

CustomM01z=-30

CustomM02x=0

CustomM02y=-70

CustomM02z=-80

ClipTopHeight=40

ClipTopLength=30

ClipBottomHeight=70

ClipBottomLength=80

CapHalfWidth=40

CapHeight=60

CapLength=100

 

[Curves-tx_alt]

point-count=0

 

[Curves-ty_alt]

point-count=0

 

[Curves-tz_alt]

point-count=0

 

[Curves-rx_alt]

point-count=2

point-0-x=1.85142862796783

point-0-y=0

point-1-x=22.834285736084

point-1-y=169.463409423828

 

[Curves-rz_alt]

point-count=0

 

[FT]

UsedInterface=0

 

[FTIR]

useTIRViews=false

useDummyExe=true

 

[proto-freetrack]

ezca-mode=true

use-memory-hacks=false

used-interfaces=0

 

[opentrack-ui]

compensate-translation=false

compensate-translation-disable-z-axis=true

ding=true

filter-dll=Accela Filter Mk4

key-alt-center=false

key-alt-toggle=false

key-ctrl-center=true

key-ctrl-toggle=true

key-index-center=27

key-index-toggle=27

key-shift-center=false

key-shift-toggle=true

pitch-alt-axis-sign=false

pitch-invert-axis=true

pitch-zero-pos=0

protocol-dll=FreeTrack 2.0

roll-alt-axis-sign=false

roll-invert-axis=false

roll-zero-pos=0

tracker-dll=PointTracker 1.1

tracker2-dll=

x-alt-axis-sign=false

x-invert-axis=false

x-zero-pos=0

y-alt-axis-sign=false

y-invert-axis=false

y-zero-pos=0

yaw-alt-axis-sign=true

yaw-invert-axis=true

yaw-zero-pos=0

z-alt-axis-sign=false

z-invert-axis=false

z-zero-pos=0

pitch-source-index=0

roll-source-index=0

x-source-index=0

y-source-index=0

yaw-source-index=0

z-source-index=0

 

[tracker-pt]

active-model-panel=0

camera-focal-length=1

camera-fps=75

camera-index=0

camera-pitch=0

camera-res-height=480

camera-res-width=640

camera-roll=1

camera-yaw=0

cap-x=0

cap-y=0

cap-z=0

clip-by=70

clip-bz=80

clip-ty=40

clip-tz=30

dynamic-pose-resolution=false

enable-pitch=true

enable-roll=false

enable-x=true

enable-y=true

enable-yaw=true

enable-z=true

m_01-x=0

m_01-y=40

m_01-z=-30

m_02-x=0

m_02-y=-70

m_02-z=-80

max-point-size=29

min-point-size=9

model-centroid-x=0

model-centroid-y=0

model-centroid-z=0

reset-time=2000

threshold-primary=70

threshold-secondary=9

video-widget=true

[Sorbifer]

Thanks! I will try it soon, unfortunately now I have got guests invasion at home, and I have to be more social in few days...

 

The question is: should we try to convince game developers to do something with that? I still would say that it is a wrong data usage from their side. And after all in RoF it works fine, very fine, so they are able to fix it somehow.

 

And will they do something, so busy with a next game, next planes and maps, to release a brand new game with the same old issues inside?

[Sorbifer]

Hi! It was enough to change FT to version 2.2.0.279 and set max range of pitch and it was working again. No need to move to OpenTrack (yet).