Hope for a patch today?

[6./ZG26_Emil]

Of course, if you are piloting a 109 or a 190, why are you in a turning fight with a Yak?

 

Exactly....you win this thread

[Dr_Molenbeek]

When you're outmaneuvering a Yak-1 in your Fw 190 at high speed with scissors and suddenly his elevator becomes an UFO and he literally spawn on your tail when you had advantage is something questionable, no ?

 

Especially when you watch the replay, and you see that the exact moment where the Yak starts to take advantage is when he popped his LANDING flaps.

 

I think you're underestimating this issue, gentlemen.

[6./ZG26_Emil]

 

When you're outmaneuvering a Yak-1 in your Fw 190 at high speed with scissors and suddenly his elevator becomes an UFO and he literally spawn on your tail when you had advantage is something questionable, no ?

 

Especially when you watch the replay, and you see that the exact moment where the Yak starts to take advantage is when he popped his LANDING flaps.

 

I think you're underestimating this issue, gentlemen.

 

 

Its how people fly. I'm not saying this isn't an issue that should be looked in to but this is never a problem for us and the worse thing I've seen in them using flaps to get off a hang on the prop type shot but if they do that we have a wingman or second rotte who will shoot him while hanging in the air.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Doesnt matter if it's a problem for you, me or "us", it's a serious aerodynamical error in the FM. The only reason to speak up against a fix is to defend it, which leads to the conclusion you like taking advantage of it.

 

And yes, it's not the only issue. Does that make it is less important? No, not at all.

Edited June 7, 2015 by Stab/JG26_5tuka

[6./ZG26_Emil]

Doesnt matter if it's a problem for you, me or "us", it's a serious aerodynamical error in the FM. The only reason to speak up against a fix is to defend it, which leads to the conclusion you like taking advantage of it.

 

And yes, it's not the only issue. Does that make it is less important? No, not at all.

 

Are you referring to me because the Yak isn't what I fly generally so I don't see how I'm taking advantage of it 

 

We had this problem in the original IL2 and it was a problem because it was way way worse than anything I've seen so far, I also think it existed in CLOD for a short while iirc. If people aren't flying because of this (109 pilots) then they're generally not good pilots (or like a moan) because in a 109 you don't ever have to worry about that FM issue.

[LAL_Luny]

During French coops which are running since Xmas :

 

We have at least 2 very good and trained squads on Yaks

 

And 2 less trained squads on 109.

 

A bit of bombers on both sides.

 

The LW squads have a real hard time each week, it took quite some time before we were not all butchered like lambs at slaughter.

 

A good VVS squad on Yak 1 or even Lagg3 can easily outperform a squad of 109 that doesn’t know how take advantage of the plane FM.

 

The 109 is not supposed to turn, and the Yak can do whatever it wants turning, it will loose energy and then  combat at the end

[Willy__]

You guys are missing the point. Most of the people that are complaining about the flaps dont turn fight with the yaks. The problem lies when you are energy/stall fighting the yaks. Picture this way: you're flying your 109 when you see a yak at your six, you dive to get distance and start the usual climb (spiral climb, hammerhead, and so on), its all going well, and you're justing waiting him to stall to drop on him, but instead of stalling, what the yak pilots does ? He pops up the flaps and continues the climb, its like the flaps is a thrust vector for him, he just keep climbing and thats what make people angry about the issue. At this kind of situation the 109 should excel, with its climbing power and leading edge slats that the Yak lacks but thats not what we see unless we have a huge E advantage and/or the yak pilot is a rookie.

 

Now think about the 190 pilots who dont have the luxury of climbing like that and thats where we are now...

Edited June 7, 2015 by istruba

[Urra]

You guys are missing the point. Most of the people that are complaining about the flaps dont turn fight with the yaks. The problem lies when you are energy/stall fighting the yaks. Picture this way: you're flying your 109 when you see a yak at your six, you dive to get distance and start the usual climb (spiral climb, hammerhead, and so on), its all going well, and you're justing waiting him to stall to drop on him, but instead of stalling, what the yak pilots does ? He pops up the flaps and continues the climb, its like the flaps is a thrust vector for him, he just keep climbing and thats what make people angry about the issue. At this kind of situation the 109 should excel, with its climbing power and leading edge slats that the Yak lacks but thats not what we see unless we have a huge E advantage and/or the yak pilot is a rookie.

 

Now think about the 190 pilots who dont have the luxury of climbing like that and thats where we are now...

The AI won't extend the flaps out qmb and drop off under those conditions and I think it always gave me a false sense of security going into MP.

[Willy__]

 

 

The AI won't extend the flaps out qmb and drop off under those conditions and I think it always gave me a false sense of security going into MP.

 

SP has nothing to do with because I used the same tactics in MP since EA and back then it did work. But on latest patches the Yak seems to have a ludicrous ability to retain energy, and its even faster now compared to what it was in early acess. Back then when you met a Yak at co-alt it was manageable, nowadays its almost a death sentence, especially if you fly mostly the 190, like me.

[Wulf]

SP has nothing to do with because I used the same tactics in MP since EA and back then it did work. But on latest patches the Yak seems to have a ludicrous ability to retain energy, and its even faster now compared to what it was in early acess. Back then when you met a Yak at co-alt it was manageable, nowadays its almost a death sentence, especially if you fly mostly the 190, like me.

 

 

Chin-up Istru.  We fight on; no matter what!  That's what 190 guys do bro.  S! 

[SR-F_Winger]

Chin-up Istru.  We fight on; no matter what!  That's what 190 guys do bro.  S! 

Sure you can live with it. But this doesnt change the fact that its BS.

Edited June 8, 2015 by VSG1_Winger

[SYN_Vorlander]

Sure you can live with it. But this doesnt change the fact that its BS.

+1

 

Its not that im against flying vs. Yak pilots. Im against things that are not "completely" true. Dont sell something as being the correct FM and they are not. We had the samething in ROF for many years and lots of gamers left because of that.

Edited June 8, 2015 by SYN_Vorlander