Was looking to get BOS, few questions.

[Adler_]

Hey all, first of all I have to say BOS looks pretty amazing and been in love with sims since IL2 1946.

I just have few questions that is bothering me quite a bit.

 

By buying BOS I get 10 planes and 1 huge map ? Is that all we're getting or will there be updates with more maps / diff planes and such ?

I've seen they're selling early access to BOM for 80$ ,also when the a new campaign comes out like Africa its also gonna be 80$ for one map and 10 planes. 

 

What am aiming at is that you will have to cash in over 240$ or even more (depending on amount of dlc's) to fully enjoy IL2 sturmovik.  I know I am supporting devs in their creating etc.. But I have a feeling that this is gonna end up like BF3 for some people who don't have the cash to afford every dlc. I won't be able to join most of the server due they're on a diff DLC , community for these type of game never was big, so  I'm gonna end up flying with 15 people online due 90% of other are playing a different dlc ?

How do you guys plan to bring in new people into this SIM game when prices are high as they are right now and when  to be honest you're selling 10% of IL2 1946 for 80$ ? Some may say that 1946 doesn't have the options that BOS has, but for that time that it was created , its was the best they could do at that time. 

 

 

I'm not discrediting devs for their hard work and dedication but I don't feel like this DLC system they're going for is gonna bring them any new fresh players that are looking to get into SIM flying. 

I know I have my doubts right now, due I know when the BOM comes out , most of BOS server's are gonna be pretty empty. And what will I have ? I will be forced to buy a different dlc to enjoy the game again.

Like BF3 , since I only have vanilla edition I'm screwed , I can only play on 2-3 servers...but BF3 has and will always have 10x bigger community so those 2-3 servers are never empty , I can't say that same will be with BOS. 

 

 

Before going and flaming me , consider what I've said. I didn't come here to take a sh*t on BOS or BOM , they are/will be great games , I just wanted to state my 2 cents on how everything is going at the moment..

[BeastyBaiter]

It's the same setup as the original IL2 series which led to IL2:1946. I started playing the first IL2 back in 2001-2002 when it was first released. Every year they'd make an expansion that could be played as a standalone game or an addon. If you played multiplayer, you had to have them all though since no one played them as standalone. Each release costed $40-50, so between the initial IL2, FB, PF, Aces and 1946 it was around $200-250 total. The addons included a mix of planes, maps and campaigns. The final addon made for it was IL2:1946. It sounds like that's when you picked it up and you bought the combined version rather than building it up over a few years like I did. In any case, BoS is using the same setup. If you want it now, you're going to have to build it and pay full price. If you're willing to wait 5 years, then you might be able to get the final version of the game with all the addons for the same price as a single release now. But that's how all video games work, nothing unusual about it.

[216th_Jordan]

I'll just adress the Pricing here:

 

 

You have to see that Il2 -1946 was the best they could do for that time, that's about right. Computers have gotten way faster meanwhile, but the content created to fill those possibilities offered needs al lot of manpower and hours. 

A model of a plane takes maybe 10 times as long to create as it did 10 years ago, because there are so many details that go together in it. The developers, after all, are humans, so quality content needs time to be produced. 

In 46 you could damage about 30 different systems/parts of a plane, in BOS all that is way more complex. So for the same quantity of planes you might indeed need to pay way more than you did for il2-1946. But imho, that's worth it.

For that part: maybe wait for next sale

[6./ZG26_Emil]

I agree with Jordan

 

also to the OP

 

There are two large maps in game now (Stalingrad and Velikiye Luki) and also summer versions coming for free in Q3 this year.

 

RE the price...This is obviously what it costs to produce a flight sim for a small number of enthusiasts, the days of IL2 1946 1000 people online are probably dead forever.

 

P.s Are you comparing this to Battlefields 3? 

[Adler_]

I agree with Jordan

 

also to the OP

 

There are two large maps in game now (Stalingrad and Velikiye Luki) and also summer versions coming for free in Q3 this year.

 

RE the price...This is obviously what it costs to produce a flight sim for a small number of enthusiasts, the days of IL2 1946 1000 people online are probably dead forever.

 

P.s Are you comparing this to Battlefields 3? 

I am comparing it to the way they handled BF3 dlc's  , and when it ended up being after couple of years. Try reading my thread again and seeing my point. Because I think you understood it wrong. 

[VBF-12_Stick-95]

Don't forget, there are sales at times, up to 50% off.

[Adler_]

I'll just adress the Pricing here:

 

 

You have to see that Il2 -1946 was the best they could do for that time, that's about right. Computers have gotten way faster meanwhile, but the content created to fill those possibilities offered needs al lot of manpower and hours. 

A model of a plane takes maybe 10 times as long to create as it did 10 years ago, because there are so many details that go together in it. The developers, after all, are humans, so quality content needs time to be produced. 

In 46 you could damage about 30 different systems/parts of a plane, in BOS all that is way more complex. So for the same quantity of planes you might indeed need to pay way more than you did for il2-1946. But imho, that's worth it.

For that part: maybe wait for next sale

You are right I did pick up the whole package I have the game on a CD (not even dvd) but I see your point. I will be buying the BOS either way I just didn't know what was the devs plan to do, If they do plan to add more planes (the ones that were in BOS historically and adding carrier mode) its gonna be more than worth buying. 

 

Because I dont like the feeling that you're buying 30% of the game and then the rest 70% over dlcs, what EA , Ubisoft , Activison like to do. Which rustles my jimmies quite a lot due I feel like they all see us as fools. 

 

Also to add to your reply "The developers, after all, are humans, so quality content needs time to be produced. "  I completely understand that , nor I expect them to rush or to make a full game in a year. I just didn't see where they were going with all of these expensive dlc's that give out so little back(right now, as I don't know what they plan to add for the full release of BOS). 

Due 80$ for a map and 10 planes is a bit too much , but I'm really glad they're adding more things to the game (from what I've red in one of the reply's) 

Edited June 3, 2015 by NobodieCRO

[6./ZG26_Emil]

BF3 (and games like it) has a potential customer base far in excess of a hardcore flight sim. 

 

I don't see this as DLC personally it's more like an expansion pack as was done with IL2.

[Vaxxtx]

For the price you need to look at what you are getting and NOT getting.

 

If collecting planes and maps and flying mp on low count servers, or flying quick missions is your thing than bos will fit the bill. And more planes might come, but nobody knows what's after bom.

 

To some, not having good sp content or easy setup coop, makes the new planes and maps worthless. Why have 20 supercars when you can only drive them on a go cart track?

 

Again I don't personally see the justification of the price tag, but some here do. I don't see at all like IL2 originals expansions. Its the same thing over a green map and new planes. It's missing innovation that would make the price worth it, IMO.

[JG5_Schuck]

Hey guys,

Correct me if im wrong, but as long as you have BoS you can join any server even if you don't have the additional plane set. You will see these planes in game just not be able to fly them.

The same with BoM, I think you mean problems will arise when you have some servers with just BoS, and some BoS+BoM.

I would assume it will be the same as RoF, a message will come up saying you don't have the map/plane set.

And as has ben stated, view it more as an expansion, not a DLC.

Yes, it will be expensive, (depending on the time gap between releases). But it has to be worth it, I mean fly the 109 in this game then try it in 1946. Chalk and cheese.

[Adler_]

And as has ben stated, view it more as an expansion, not a DLC.

Yes, it will be expensive, (depending on the time gap between releases). But it has to be worth it, I mean fly the 109 in this game then try it in 1946. Chalk and cheese.

They both feel like expansions.. Expansions to what ? Is there like a main game coming out ?  If they would merge BOS and BOM and then release Battle of Africa or w/e the name is gonna be, then you can call it an expansion. Right now you're buying piece by piece merging it together to get the full game. Which I find absurd. 

 

And for the game that I heard about month ago due lack of advertisement / content to cost 80-70$ ?  I wouldn't mind paying 80$ for a full game but I don't feel like buying every piece of the puzzle so I can have the full set. 

Edited June 3, 2015 by NobodieCRO

[6./ZG26_Emil]

They both feel like expansions.. Expansions to what ? Is there like a main game coming out ?  If they would merge BOS and BOM and then release Battle of Africa or w/e the name is gonna be, then you can call it an expansion. Right now you're buying piece by piece merging it together to get the full game. Which I find absurd. 

 

And for the game that I heard about month ago due lack of advertisement / content to cost 80-70$ ?  I wouldn't mind paying 80$ for a full game but I don't feel like buying every piece of the puzzle so I can have the full set. 

 

Don't buy it then

[Adler_]

BF3 (and games like it) has a potential customer base far in excess of a hardcore flight sim. 

 

Exactly and yet their cheaper than this game ? To me personally that doesn't make sense.  ESPECIALLY if they want the community to grow, make it bigger and make their sales higher.

[6./ZG26_Custard]

 

 

Exactly and yet their cheaper than this game ?

They are cheaper because they sell many more units and therefore have a much better profit margin because of it.

[-TBC-AeroAce]

Hey guys,

Correct me if im wrong, but as long as you have BoS you can join any server even if you don't have the additional plane set. You will see these planes in game just not be able to fly them.

The same with BoM, I think you mean problems will arise when you have some servers with just BoS, and some BoS+BoM.

I would assume it will be the same as RoF, a message will come up saying you don't have the map/plane set.

And as has ben stated, view it more as an expansion, not a DLC.

Yes, it will be expensive, (depending on the time gap between releases). But it has to be worth it, I mean fly the 109 in this game then try it in 1946. Chalk and cheese.

That's only if the server hosts allow the whole planset Which would be stupid as most people would tend to fly the better, more current ships

[=AD=uumembwa]

For game like BOS, 80$ good price. 

But, at this time it just investment to the future, no more. Couse in offline - permanent error crush - you have no offline game. And no massive online here, only few fanatics play, so you have no online game.

Edited June 3, 2015 by MeeshaNya

[SharpeXB]

When you buy this or any flight sim today what you're buying is the aircraft. That's where all the work is. And the maps. The age of buying a single game for $49 with 100 planes in it are gone. Every flight sim that's still in business today works like that. BoS and BoM work out to about $10 per plane which is about right. None of the maps so far as I've seen it are paid DLC. They come free as updates.

[Bearcat]

Hey all, first of all I have to say BOS looks pretty amazing and been in love with sims since IL2 1946.

I just have few questions that is bothering me quite a bit.

 

By buying BOS I get 10 planes and 1 huge map ? Is that all we're getting or will there be updates with more maps / diff planes and such ?

I've seen they're selling early access to BOM for 80$ ,also when the a new campaign comes out like Africa its also gonna be 80$ for one map and 10 planes. 

 

What am aiming at is that you will have to cash in over 240$ or even more (depending on amount of dlc's) to fully enjoy IL2 sturmovik.  I know I am supporting devs in their creating etc.. But I have a feeling that this is gonna end up like BF3 for some people who don't have the cash to afford every dlc. I won't be able to join most of the server due they're on a diff DLC , community for these type of game never was big, so  I'm gonna end up flying with 15 people online due 90% of other are playing a different dlc ?

How do you guys plan to bring in new people into this SIM game when prices are high as they are right now and when  to be honest you're selling 10% of IL2 1946 for 80$ ? Some may say that 1946 doesn't have the options that BOS has, but for that time that it was created , its was the best they could do at that time. 

 

 

I'm not discrediting devs for their hard work and dedication but I don't feel like this DLC system they're going for is gonna bring them any new fresh players that are looking to get into SIM flying. 

I know I have my doubts right now, due I know when the BOM comes out , most of BOS server's are gonna be pretty empty. And what will I have ? I will be forced to buy a different dlc to enjoy the game again.

Like BF3 , since I only have vanilla edition I'm screwed , I can only play on 2-3 servers...but BF3 has and will always have 10x bigger community so those 2-3 servers are never empty , I can't say that same will be with BOS.

 

 

I have no idea how the next theater after Moscow will be marketed.. I don't think they do fully either at the moment.. However to answer your question on the pricing.. Consider DCS.. There is a sale on now so the comparison is less vlaid.. but at full price with no sale, DCS with one map and two fully functional combat ready WWII aircraft will cost you anywhere from $80 to $100 depending on the aircraft you choose. That is just for two aircraft.. DCS uses a slightly different model... DCS World is free with two aircraft, a civiliam P-51 with no guns or weps and a Su-25. With BoS at full price for $100 you get 10 very well rendered aircraft (not the clickable pit fulls study modules like in DCS but very well done and on par with anythuing out there in every other way..) Two huge maps ... with more on the way. Factoring in the sale price for BoS and it becomes a no brainer.. (The same can be said for DCS FWIW) . Is it worth it ...? Only you can answer thsat. I bought BoS on Pre order foir $90 .. I do not feel cheated.

 

It's the same setup as the original IL2 series which led to IL2:1946. I started playing the first IL2 back in 2001-2002 when it was first released. Every year they'd make an expansion that could be played as a standalone game or an addon. If you played multiplayer, you had to have them all though since no one played them as standalone. Each release costed $40-50, so between the initial IL2, FB, PF, Aces and 1946 it was around $200-250 total. The addons included a mix of planes, maps and campaigns. The final addon made for it was IL2:1946. It sounds like that's when you picked it up and you bought the combined version rather than building it up over a few years like I did. In any case, BoS is using the same setup. If you want it now, you're going to have to build it and pay full price. If you're willing to wait 5 years, then you might be able to get the final version of the game with all the addons for the same price as a single release now. But that's how all video games work, nothing unusual about it.

 

Something like that...

 

BF3 (and games like it) has a potential customer base far in excess of a hardcore flight sim.

I don't see this as DLC personally it's more like an expansion pack as was done with IL2.

 

Yes there is really no comparison.. It is like comparing lamb chops to steak.

 

They both feel like expansions.. Expansions to what ? Is there like a main game coming out ?  If they would merge BOS and BOM and then release Battle of Africa or w/e the name is gonna be, then you can call it an expansion. Right now you're buying piece by piece merging it together to get the full game. Which I find absurd. 

 

And for the game that I heard about month ago due lack of advertisement / content to cost 80-70$ ?  I wouldn't mind paying 80$ for a full game but I don't feel like buying every piece of the puzzle so I can have the full set. 

 

Perhaps.. but that is how things are going. Every flight sim is an ongoing work in progress.. The main game will most likely wind up being all the merged content but who knows where this will go in the future.

[Adler_]

Well I bought the game either way! I just so sick of War thunder broken flight models.

Whom ever I gave some frustrations , find me online and we can settle this  

 

Thank you all for replying and posting your opinions.  (As far as I care this thread can be locked) 

Cheers

[Wulf]

I've never been much interested in these arguments about cost and format. In my view it's all about FM/DM fidelity and in that respect there have been (still are) a few disappointments.  So, just buy the games or not as you see fit but the general format is the general format so just get over it.  If you think you're being ripped-off, just don't buy it; end of story.

 

However, that said, I really don't understand why installment based games like BoS aren't done  in strict chronological order.  That way people could buy the base game (installment number 1) and then upgrade or not as new installments come out.  So, if you don't have the cash or the inclination to buy more installments you can still continue to participate in online play just as long as you're prepared to fly obsolete machines against more advanced types - that would be your choice.  But when installments are offers out of chronological order, there is every possibility that existing owners will be excluded from future play because they only have late model aircraft that would be quite incompatible with an early war plane-set offered in a new expansion pack.

Edited June 4, 2015 by Wulf

[TWC_Ace]

Hi all. Didnt want to spam forum with my own "I want to play this game" title. So i will kindly ask here. Im an old time il2 46 simmer but since economic situation is getting worse here I can only afford standard edition (I know there was a sale but I missed it). I found it on one of the valid/legit keystores for 30 euros. I hope this is ok because all other of their keys apparently worked for me and are legit. But the two additional planes (20$) each are too much for me. And I really like FW190 :-).

So I have a question. Will devs consider a sale for additinal planes soon? Or is there a good soul which would donate a plane once I get standard IL2 BOS acc? Because there is no sense for me to invest 35 $ for a game and not having an opportunity to fly FW190. Also I heard that we need to buy both premium planes to have all mods unlocked? Is that true or mods are being unlocked only for deluxe buyers?

 

thanks in advance and I hope my post wasnt too long lol

 

S!

Edited June 10, 2015 by blackram_

[6./ZG26_Emil]

There have been sales recently so if I were you I'd just keep an eye out for the next one...maybe add BOS to your wishlist in Steam as I think it will send you an email when it's up on sale.

[6./ZG26_Emil]

Apparently there is a Steam sale starting today if you believe the leak.

 

No idea if BOS will be included

[TWC_Ace]

Apparently there is a Steam sale starting today if you believe the leak.

 

No idea if BOS will be included

thanks Emil, will keep an eye on it....but it seams it starts tommorow :-)

[Bearcat]

I would be looking for a sale soon considering thet the BoM EA is scheduled to start next month for BoM Premium users..

[TWC_Ace]

Ok im in! Though I dont know why I dont have an premium or standard bar tag under my signature since I bought standard version plus both premium planes...

[TWC_Ace]

Thanks. Another question. I purchased standard edition and 2 premium planes but all my mods and skins are still locked. Whats the problem?

[Remontti]

Did you unlock them through the IL-2 site (not forum)?

 

See the entry 87 in Developer Diary

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/168-developer-diary/page-3

[TWC_Ace]

ok thanks