slm Posted October 16, 2013 Posted October 16, 2013 http://www.computerandvideogames.com/433076/russia-to-pay-for-patriotic-games-may-ban-falsely-negative-ones/
Volkoff Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 I empathize with the Ministry of Culture in The Russian Federation. I applaud the Ministry of Culture for demonstrating most reasonable and honorable intentions and efforts, directed at promoting the best interests of Russian youth and Russian culture, over all. MJ 1
Cybermat47 Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 I doubt they'll fund BoS unless the devs remove the option to fly as the Luftwaffe
SYN_Mike77 Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 Competition for RoF? 'Headed by the Russian Military Historical Society, the project will initially focus on the development of one game, due for release in 2014, which will be based on Russian military aviation during the First World War.'
Mmaruda Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 I have read about this subject. Wonder if it will simulate that crazy idea of ataching a blade to you tail and flying over enemy planes hoping it will tear their wings.
MarcoRossolini Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 I've always had a bit of a problem with governments funding games... but we'll see... Particularly with the Russian Government who still seem to be having issues about discussing the darker sides of the Soviet involvement in the Second World war... but we shall see... 2
Pupo Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 well, il2 (CLOD times) was funded by the russian government in exchange for their next project to be a patriotic one. Since the deal was with 1c, BOS may still have russian money trough its blood 1
DD_Arthur Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 well, il2 (CLOD times) was funded by the russian government in exchange for their next project to be a patriotic one. Since the deal was with 1c, BOS may still have russian money trough its blood Lol, thats a bananarumour Pupo.
Zak Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 honorable intentions Yeah, yeah.. Mostly in banning some games (CoD MW2, the airporrt mission; COH2 - complete ban), not much of creating their own. 1
LLv44_Mprhead Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 I've always had a bit of a problem with governments funding games... but we'll see... Particularly with the Russian Government who still seem to be having issues about discussing the darker sides of the Soviet involvement in the Second World war... but we shall see... This. And combined with the direction current leadership seems to be taking Russia, I am a bit worried
Cybermat47 Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 This. And combined with the direction current leadership seems to be taking Russia, I am a bit worried Yeah. According to my Russian friends, Putin is as much a Communist as Stalin was.
LG1.Farber Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 This. And combined with the direction current leadership seems to be taking Russia, I am a bit worried Putin is coming for you Finland!
LLv44_Mprhead Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 Putin is coming for you Finland! Hopefully that is not the direction things are headed, but there is stuff going on in Russia you would not want to see anywhere, least in your neighbouring country But I guess this is really not the place for that discussion.
Volkoff Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 (edited) Yeah, yeah.. Mostly in banning some games (CoD MW2, the airporrt mission; COH2 - complete ban), not much of creating their own. Zak, There will certainly be bumps in the road, but I think developers should just keep a positive attitude, work closely with the Ministry of Culture, and get to a mutually beneficial solution. Helping to instill a positive self image in Russians or all persons on Earth is a great thing. Taking that idea and putting into policy is always a tricky matter, for sure. I would love to be in the position of Russian developers, as I know how to navigate such waters. I strongly believe in a model where persons willing to advance the best interest of their relationship network are rewarded by senior members of the relationship network and where persons not interested in advancing the interests of the relationship network are left to the highs and lows of the attendant consequences of their individualism. MJ Edited October 17, 2013 by =69.GIAP=MIKHA
Uufflakke Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 According the article the first release in 2014 will be based on a WWI flight sim. Right? And to quote the aide to the Russian culture minister: "The main thing that we expect from game makers is that they reflect events realistically and with the maximum historical authenticity, avoiding the creation of a negative image of a Russian soldier." Does this mean we get a RoF lookalike but the Russian side always wins, whatever the enemy tries? But seriously, I think it is a bad move. This project will be seen as Russian propaganda games and might affect/infect other war based games from Russia. In a sense that the Western market might see every Russian war game as propanda now and doesn't want to support anything that comes from there anymore.
AndyJWest Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 I'm not sure there is any particularly strong reason to see Russian-government-sponsored 'propaganda' as necessarily any less historically accurate than Hollywood 'entertainment' - or even the later efforts of the History Channel. And at least they are being honest about it.. 1
Uufflakke Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 @AndyJWest: Many Hollywood blockbuster suffer the same problem. it is well known that there will be no cooperation by US Army if the movie is (too) critical about the army itself. When the script is positive the army provides you with aircraft carriers, planes, tanks. Remember Top Gun? Since a few years the US army tries to be more open to that. After critical remarks and protests by other film makers. "In his Pentagon office, the head of the Film Liaison Office makes no secret of his goals. He wants to encourage films which flatter the U.S. Army, win support for its actions on the battlefield, and encourage more soldiers to sign up." http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/hollywood-and-the-pentagon/ Oh well, same sh*t everywhere. 1
LLv44_Mprhead Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 Not quite. I don't think that there are banning the games or movies that are critical, and that is a very important difference.
Volkoff Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 (edited) We don't have a Global market, we have a Globe and lots of markets, made up of unique civilizations with equally unique mores. The fact that one market can significantly impact another market does not make one market the same as another. Some products can cross national lines with little to no change, from one market to another, while other products have to be radically changed to fit the local needs of one market or another market. I don't see the Ministry of Culture in the Russian Federation as a problem, just an aspect of doing business in the Russian Federation and a part of the puzzle of doing business outside the Russian Federation. If a Western market will reject a positive portrayal of Russian soldiers, adapting a product to the Russian market may make a product incompatible with the needs of that Western market. A developer can develop the product in such a way that it is able to meet the needs of one, the other, or both markets. The developer gets to pick his or her actions, but not the World he or she lives in. Globalism will not usher in the end of the State The World isn't that flat. Game developers best able to adapt their games to the needs of the Russian market will be best able to gain access the Russian market, while developers unable to adapt to the needs of the Russian market will face great difficulties in best reaching out to the Russian market. This is nothing new in Global business. MJ Edited October 17, 2013 by =69.GIAP=MIKHA 1
AndyJWest Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 (edited) @ mprhead: Officially, as far as we know, the Russian government hasn't banned anything. They may well have applied pressure - but we know that the US military has done the same. Edited October 17, 2013 by AndyJWest 1
Caudron431 Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 I'm not sure there is any particularly strong reason to see Russian-government-sponsored 'propaganda' as necessarily any less historically accurate than Hollywood 'entertainment' - or even the later efforts of the History Channel. And at least they are being honest about it.. Exactly what i was about to say! not to forget propaganda in some very popular fps games.
Cybermat47 Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 Exactly what i was about to say! not to forget propaganda in some very popular fps games. Yeah, like in Halo where the UN and the rebel aliens defeat the religous aliens. That's also offensive to religous aliens.
LLv44_Mprhead Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 Do you guys have any idea what is going on in Russia these days? I am not going to start listing stuff here, this is not the place for it, but you can do few searches in net to get the picture. And if you start adding things up, maybe you can get an idea why I see this as one piece in rather unfortunate development. If someone wants to discuss this topic farther, I suggest we do that by PM.
=FI=Macca Posted October 18, 2013 Posted October 18, 2013 (edited) Every country has some dark sides of its history, whether it was centuries ago or 70 years ago... ironing the image of given county's soldiers by any governmental body won't change history... If just may lead to younger generation having no idea of these evil deeds done in the past...unless taught at school. And not always you can expect truly objective history lessons, alas.... Edited October 18, 2013 by =FI=Macca
Caudron431 Posted October 18, 2013 Posted October 18, 2013 Yeah, like in Halo where the UN and the rebel aliens defeat the religous aliens. That's also offensive to religous aliens. The kind of more or less neutral game you are mentionning on purpose shows that you got my point well. 1
Caudron431 Posted October 18, 2013 Posted October 18, 2013 Do you guys have any idea what is going on in Russia these days? I am not going to start listing stuff here, this is not the place for it, but you can do few searches in net to get the picture. And if you start adding things up, maybe you can get an idea why I see this as one piece in rather unfortunate development. If someone wants to discuss this topic farther, I suggest we do that by PM. Yes maybe there are bad things that are happening in Russia, you know what, just like in any other country. But i think we should emphasize more on troubling things coming from countries with a "great" tradition of democracy such as USA, France, Great Britain for instance: after all, things happenning in this kind of countries have far more chance to change the world in which we are used to live. What is more the Russian people does not need us to solve its domestic problems, it is mature enough to follow its own path. I don't think we should consider them children, that would be patronizing. What is going on in Russia these days is not really our problem, (since lately on the international scene they shew respect and forced other more democratic States to respect International Law for once). I suggest that people first work to do thing correctly/legally in their own country, before targeting another one, or a government and describing it as the fourth reich. Just my opinion.
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