Re-Clod in 10 years?

[Chuck_Owl]

What about EDGE? It's not a complete rewrite of a sim engine. It's a new graphics engine. But if I understand it, by moving to DX11 it frees up a lot of processing from the CPU which is the current bottleneck for these things.

 

I think it is a step in the right direction, but I have yet to see for myself its limitations in multiplayer. It could be the greatest thing since sliced bread, or it could be "meh". From what we've seen so far, I think it will help improve a lot performance-wise. The planeset seems really promising and the upcoming theaters are pretty much bottlenecked by EDGE release.

 

@JG5_Emil, JG5_Custard, T-Oddball

 

Guys, get a room. Seriously. 

 

CloD is funky. BoS is disco. I have seen both sims do stuff that does not make sense. Real life pilots find quirks with both games. Anyone who thinks BoS or CloD is perfect does not know what he is talking about. I accepted that fact a long time ago, and I have a much healthier relationship with flight sims ever since.

 

Deal with it, and move on with your lives.

 

Here us some Red Army Choir Badassery at its finest to lighten up this thread.

 

Edited June 7, 2015 by 71st_AH_Chuck

[SharpeXB]

There is really no limit as to what a modding community can do: they are not restricted by a budget and a timeline. Some people are incredibly talented and their abilities surpass even those of professionals.

That's certainly true. But the level of detail in sims today is an obstacle compared with the past where I'm sure modders could accomplish a lot. Especially when it comes to creating the aircraft to the standards set by current sims including CoD itself. I read the cockpits there alone took an entire year of man hours to create. The flight model alone for a DCS plane costs something like $150k. And in ten years time that bar is only going to get raised higher. It stretches the imagination to see modders creating content like that unpaid.

[[KWN]T-oddball]

[Edited]

I bought the game jumped in a server and shot my first plane down (87 i think) ...I like it had no problem with the planes or map or flight models every was working well.....

then came unlockgate....that created a level of toxicity I had never seen before and to add insult to injury those of who had paid for item now had to drudge through the unlocks to get them back while at the same time a $12 version was released in Russia....

Now if they was not bad enough now we were informed that we did not need to have control over our video options..... and of course came the cherry on the cake vitriol that was the fan bsse by now.....they reduced the MP to 32 and then only raised it back to 48....

 

then comes game release day....ummm where is the FMB and skin templates and dedicated server? (see effort put into unlocks instead of FMB,DServer,Templates)

No FMB ...how do we make content?

No DServer how do we host since there is no in game hosting?

No templates?

 

Custard had you been around long enough you would have known it was not just one decision but it was all of them collective that created a lot of ill will.

Of course there were  other issues such as no CO-OP mode, you would have thought that 777 would have learned from CLOD dev's critical mistake of not putting CO-OP in CLOD....well i guess that went unnoticed...creating even more ill will. Then of course there is the matter of the social hub i.e hyperlobby...Since the dev's are fans of flight sims it would be logical to conclude that they knew of the importance of HL and would want to make BOS available to HL or make there own version of HL....neither happened....

 

Well we finally got the FMB,DServer and templates but still no way to host locally and no CO-OP mode along with pre-sales of BOM already started with out the 48 player restriction, video options and CO-OP being addressed...so in many direct and indirect ways the dev's have poisoned their own well and driven a lot of people away....go and look at some of the recent polls and see how few people have voted or the roll call post because the OP says "A lot of activity has dropped off" a lot of people are gone because of  the afore mentioned items and post's like Emils and your attitude do nothing to help the situation.

 

I had yet another conversation with an IL2/ARMA3 player who said his unit is still playing the original IL2 because as he puts it the FMB is not accessible to him and others who want to put together simple missions and host them....we are not just talking about one person we are talking about entire squads who bought this game but don't play it...

 

I read a post in here the other day that talked about the fun they had in a CO-OPisk mission that only took anf hours to get organized....HOUR! I want to play not spend an hour getting ready for the prom! in HL jump in a CO-OP slot announce mission starts in 5 mins ...launch,play,have fun wash,rinse,repeat.

 

2 things NEED to happen

1. Jason NEEDS to acknowledge what is happening and has happened  and take genuine steps to make this a real continuation of the IL2 franchise.

Edited June 8, 2015 by Bearcat
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[Chuck_Owl]

I will never understand why some people come in a CloD thread to talk about BoS (and vice-versa). It almost seems like they are begging to start a fight.

 

It makes as much as sense as coming on a forum thread about BMW to say how much better you think Mercedes is. Nothing constructive is ever gonna come out of this.

 

Edited June 7, 2015 by 71st_AH_Chuck

[6./ZG26_Custard]

 

 

and as for me starting it.....

That wasn't aimed at you or anyone but there we go.

 

 

 

As for your generous invite and positive ending to your post i will respectively decline not for any reason but the one stated a while ago....saving money for track IR as I cannot stand the hat switch anymore and using the mouse in my left hand ends up with it getting thrown

I hope once you have the dollars you will join in.

[3instein]

If we had asked the same question 10 years ago,

 

"What will flight sims be like in 10 yrs time"?

 

I would have expected something a little more than what we have at present in BoS TBH.

 

Mick.

[II./JG27_Rich]

Well let's just save all this..put it to bed and look at it in ten years. What do you say to that guys? 

[6./ZG26_Emil]

10 years sims will probably be dead...helped along but the infighting within the community.

 

This fighting goes way back as long as I can remember it.

[Lusekofte]

In my point of view, if there is not found a better way to make games by 2015, the gaming industry have abandoned pc long ago. It seems computers CPU has reach its peak and stagnated . Nothing newer years.

Anyway I firmly believe there will be a big enough community in 10 years for cod to live. Old IL2 is not dead yet and the cod community is pretty big and serious. I do believe I will fly cod in 2025 myself

[Bearcat]

Guys I have cleaned up this thread .. There may be remnats left but the pile of steaming poo part is pretty much gone. Please concentrate on havig a discussion and do not provoke one another. Neither of these sims are perfect by a long shot and comparisons to each other are going to happen as surely as water is wet not matter if the thread is a BoS or a CoD thread.. As long as the discussion remains civil we are all good so again please... Do not post antagonistic or derogatory posts or images with commentary that you know will start a fire.

 

 

I just find far too much obsequious posting about "the other" sim on the "BoS" forum. The objective seems clear in some instances, to maintain or enhance the numbers flying in that particular sim. There is "competition" for players and no one will convince me otherwise. There are folks posting on other forums with almost sadistic relish, bemoaning berating and almost openly hoping that BoS takes a nosedive, how sad that is.

 

I use to fly both sims and enjoy them for what they are. Both are far from perfect but BoS has hooked me and I no longer bother with Clod. That doesn't mean though that I'm going to troll around forums and sit here secretly hoping for its failure. If Bos doesn't float peoples boat then I wish them well in their WWII flight sim of choice. We don't have a lot of choice out there do we?        

 

This is the place for posts about "the other sim" .

 

I doubt IL2 in any form will be here in 2025.

 

As long is there is some kind of WWII era flight sim around .. and I am still here .. I will be happy and most likely flying it. If there isn't then there will always be IL2, BoS, CoD and DCS.

 

there are 3 things that limit a "modder" 1. there skill level 2. available tools  3. (which is the most important ) the power of the game engine.

 

10 years from now we will be looking at game engines that are 3X+ more powerful that what we have now, these new engine will be able to harness the power of multi-core proc's  better than a lot of the older game engine we are dealing with now (CLOD,ARAM3,BOS...etc)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_computing

 

Sony and MS have both chosen low clock cheap AMD cpu's for there new consoles which will necessitate the need for future games/engine to be able to use multi-core effectively, so what ever clock speeds are reached in 10 years it will still be necessary for programs to be in a strong form of parallelism.

 

You forgot one... time.. Modders need the time to do their work  and it could become a little problematic one would think

 

I am not sure we will ever see a new flight sim engine... not for the next 10 years. The market for this is just too small in comparison to AAA game engines Unreal, Crytek, IW and Crytek. 

 

CloD showed the cost of developing a new engine and the financial risks associated with it. BoS also showed the limitations of using an older (obsolete?) engine for a new sim release.

 

What the flight sim industry needs is a new, fresh vision with a new engine, and a marketing department WORTH A DARN (something that CloD, DCS and BoS all fail spectacularly at).

 

True

 

[Edited]

I bought the game jumped in a server and shot my first plane down (87 i think) ...I like it had no problem with the planes or map or flight models every was working well.....

then came unlockgate....that created a level of toxicity I had never seen before and to add insult to injury those of who had paid for item now had to drudge through the unlocks to get them back while at the same time a $12 version was released in Russia....

Now if they was not bad enough now we were informed that we did not need to have control over our video options..... and of course came the cherry on the cake vitriol that was the fan bsse by now.....they reduced the MP to 32 and then only raised it back to 48....

 

then comes game release day....ummm where is the FMB and skin templates and dedicated server? (see effort put into unlocks instead of FMB,DServer,Templates)

No FMB ...how do we make content?

No DServer how do we host since there is no in game hosting?

No templates?

 

Custard had you been around long enough you would have known it was not just one decision but it was all of them collective that created a lot of ill will.

Of course there were  other issues such as no CO-OP mode, you would have thought that 777 would have learned from CLOD dev's critical mistake of not putting CO-OP in CLOD....well i guess that went unnoticed...creating even more ill will. Then of course there is the matter of the social hub i.e hyperlobby...Since the dev's are fans of flight sims it would be logical to conclude that they knew of the importance of HL and would want to make BOS available to HL or make there own version of HL....neither happened....

 

Well we finally got the FMB,DServer and templates but still no way to host locally and no CO-OP mode along with pre-sales of BOM already started with out the 48 player restriction, video options and CO-OP being addressed...so in many direct and indirect ways the dev's have poisoned their own well and driven a lot of people away....go and look at some of the recent polls and see how few people have voted or the roll call post because the OP says "A lot of activity has dropped off" a lot of people are gone because of  the afore mentioned items and post's like Emils and your attitude do nothing to help the situation.

 

I had yet another conversation with an IL2/ARMA3 player who said his unit is still playing the original IL2 because as he puts it the FMB is not accessible to him and others who want to put together simple missions and host them....we are not just talking about one person we are talking about entire squads who bought this game but don't play it...

 

I read a post in here the other day that talked about the fun they had in a CO-OPisk mission that only took anf hours to get organized....HOUR! I want to play not spend an hour getting ready for the prom! in HL jump in a CO-OP slot announce mission starts in 5 mins ...launch,play,have fun wash,rinse,repeat.

 

2 things NEED to happen

1. Jason NEEDS to acknowledge what is happening and has happened  and take genuine steps to make this a real continuation of the IL2 franchise.

 

All good and valid points that hopefully will be addressed sooner rather than much later.. but still.. the rancor on all sides of this issue needs to stop because it contributes absolutely nothing to a solution of any kind.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

-snip-

 

As long is there is some kind of WWII era flight sim around .. and I am still here .. I will be happy and most likely flying it. If there isn't then there will always be IL2, BoS, CoD and DCS.

 

-snip-

 

[Bearcat]

 I fail to grasp the significance of your post.. 

 

You are aware that tomorrow and good health are promised to no one .. That is what I meant when I said "If I am still here" ..

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

I fail to grasp the significance of your post.. 

 

You are aware that tomorrow and good health are promised to no one .. That is what I meant when I said "If I am still here" ..

Yep, that's the joke.

 

[Edited]

Edited June 9, 2015 by Bearcat

[[KWN]T-oddball]

10 years sims will probably be dead...helped along but the infighting within the community.

 

This fighting goes way back as long as I can remember it.

 

 

didn't kill the original IL2  ....remember the toxic FM,ballistics threads? , lets us reopen this thread in 10 years and where we are at

[6./ZG26_Emil]

didn't kill the original IL2  ....remember the toxic FM,ballistics threads? , lets us reopen this thread in 10 years and where we are at

 

All I can say is check the badly named 'esports' section. It might not be the old days but we're doing coops just like we used to, there is no reason why we couldn't collect these missions as they are built, advertise and then run them midweek or when ever you have enough people.

 

and this is something everyone forgets...the Ubi forum wasn't called the 'Zoo' for nothing. most of the  arguements are recycled...just look at the Yak 1 flaps thread! 

[Bearcat]

So.... where do we think CoD will be in 10 years...?

[Mysticpuma]

It will have gone to a better place

[Bearcat]

I don't know about that.. there are still folks who fly EAW and MSCFS ... Oh but wait... LOL.. a better place does not necessarily mean the big flight sim  graveyard.. LOL.. OK I get it..

[-NW-ChiefRedCloud]

With the Source Code anything is possible? I don't see TD charging for their updates of 1946 (and they have the SC for it) so I'm not sure why TF would have to? The thing is 1C aren't interested in licensing or selling the Source Code as far as we understand it so the current progress has to take other routes. Ultimately most of the features can be fixed, the main issue is time and motivation.

 

TF also have the luxury of doing this as a hobby and so there is no need or expectation to consider selling add-ons, we just do this for fun. Once money comes into the equation there suddenly becomes an expectation that you have to deliver something and then it changes from a hobby to a business and that's whole other kettle of fish and why put ourselves under such pressure for something we regard as fun and enjoyable?

 

So as it stands, yes the Source Code would be a benefit but without it we can still create new maps, theatres, import aircraft, fix the AI and Radio commands, update and edit effects files, change dm and FM. ....so it's not so bad at the moment...?.as I said, it's just time that is the barrier.

 

But as regards the OP.....10-years should see us in the Western Front, most likely the Pacific and a whole host of other maps, features, aircraft and shipping......but that's 10-years......so for now the new theatre should give an idea of what to expect for the future quality when v5.00 is released?

 

Oh and as for buying the Premium of BoS? I came in for the ride in Early Access and enjoyed what I saw. Certain features changed and I currently just don't have time to fly CloD and BoS so I stick with what I know. But yes, I paid my dues and supported another flight Sim, but as it stands it just isn't what I am after......but who knows what qthe future holds for this and CloD? Either way the WW2 Flight Sim genre is far from dead and while there is passion about the genre, long may they both continue

 

Cheers, MP

 

Well said ... thank you ...

 

The interesting thing with the whole CFS vs IL2 thing though was that basically.. CFS3 was not looked upon very favorably in the IL2 community .. basically because it was not very good but it did have it's many ardent supporters and still does to a degree.. Mostly everyone had fond memories of CFS 1 & 2... but you did not see a lot of pro CFS guys on the IL2 boards.. they were mostly at SoH at the time or the CFS boards of SHQ... and the pro IL2 crowd was basically at UBI or the IL2 boards of SHQ... and at SHQ there was not a lot of cross pollination either... Basically people went where they were happy and did not waste time or energy going to the other sim's boards wherever they were to trash, complain, or otherwise denigrate the other sim or it's developers or it's forum nor did they go to the other sim's forums to praise their sim of choice to any large degree. You did not get a lot of people on the IL2 boards extolling the virtues of CFS, or any of the P2P sims that were big at the time like Warbirds, Aces High or Fighter Ace.. There was some of that but it was not amywhere close to what we have with this sim and those who are fans of CoD. It just did not happen very much.. When PF was released some folks went  to the CFS2 board at SoH to let folks know that a new Pacific sim was coming out if they did not know... and and that was basically it.. No one continually went back there with screenshots and videos and multiple examples of why IL2 was so much better than CFS...

 

The current trend that we see today can be directly traced back to the 1C CoD forum for it's overall tone and for lack of a better term... passion. When I could finally run CoD I visited that forum more and based on my reception there I was inclined to look back in order to geta perspective .. and I got that perspective.. I see a lot of the same characters behaving the same way today.. perhaps some being on a different side of the fence from where they were with CoD but just as ... vocal ands some just as condescending and downright nasty. Some of the same attitudes we see now were directed at RoF as well... Looking back at some of those threads on the 1C boards is a very telling historic record of how we got where we are as far as the hostility that rears it's head and the personal nature of the rhetoric. I have seen a lot of personal stuff directed at Jason..  and it got pretty nasty towards Ilya and Oleg also and I even had someone make a comment about my wife on that board...

 

Why does this happen..? Because people make choices.. If folks focused more on what appealed to them as opposed to what does not much of this would not be happening at all.

 

yes, People Make Choices .... thanks

 

I'm pretty sure crimson skies has the secret code.

 

You have no idea how much I enjoyed this game and it's marvelous story line. I wish someone would remake it in reflection of todays technology ....

 

 

Chief

[Feathered_IV]

So.... where do we think CoD will be in 10 years...?

 

Still on Steam certainly. 

 

Perhaps a few more maps and aircraft.  Feature-wise I would not expect it to travel too far past where it is now however.

[Mysticpuma]

I don't know about that.. there are still folks who fly EAW and MSCFS ... Oh but wait... LOL.. a better p[lace does not necessarily mean the big flight sim  graveyard.. LOL.. OK I get it..

  

 

You got it

 

Still on Steam certainly. 

 

Perhaps a few more maps and aircraft.  Feature-wise I would not expect it to travel too far past where it is now however.

Isn't that the same for most flight sims in the feature department?

 

Different aircraft, ships, objects, maps, effects (audio and visual), improved FM, DM, atmospheric model, FB, QMB, etc, etc? Oculus Rift can even be looked at. So feature-wise aren't most in a similar situation?

 

As ever, time will tell........10-years in-fact Cheers, MP

[Bearcat]

Who thought they would still be flying IL2 14 years later?

[-NW-ChiefRedCloud]

You know in just a ramble I miss the carrier landings of IL-2 1946. Or at least my feeble attempts at landing ..... It was the challenge

 

Chief

Edited June 13, 2015 by -NW-ChiefRedCloud

[JG27_Chivas]

In ten years, both BOS and COD will be irrelevant if they can't implement VR support.  COD's game engine and performance is better suited to VR but TF hasn't shown any interest. BOS's game engines current DX9 engine needs to be upgraded, with no word if the BOSS developers have the resources to upgrade.   Of the current combat flights sim only DCS, and WT are implementing VR support.   In a couple of years DCS should have DX11 EDGE, with a number of WW2 aircraft,  Normandy map, and FMB.   Intel Windows, Nvidia, AMD, are optimizing their software, hardware, and drivers for VR, so even old complex combat flight sims might be possible in the next year or so.

[SharpeXB]

Deleted my own off topic post... :-D

Edited June 18, 2015 by SharpeXB

[71st_AH_Gamecock]

Find cod bug free compared to bos myself, can you please tell me whats bugged?

I often fly bos and get kicked out, I find bos more stuttering and laggy . 

I agree, COD is one of the smoothest games I have played. Since TF mods it is really tight. It is very fun, very competitive, and very playable. I enjoy playing it more than BOS still. I like BOS, but CLOD is just more fun. It has a very active community and that has resulted in a lot of friendships and comarderie that BOS is lacking. 

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

10 years from now I see COD abandoned by TF around 6-7 years before then.

 

It's nice but it's not sustainable.

Edited February 11, 2016 by Space_Ghost

[Mysticpuma]

TF have certainly shown an interest in VR and are looking at Oculus support at the moment

Will TF still be around? Who can say. Maybe the same was though of the SAS modders? All we can say is that we are are and ha e developed the tools to import and export the models we have created and also new map(s?) along with multiple fixes to the original.

As it stands we once we have TF map-makers working on areas of the global conflict the only limit will be creating the models (aircraft, ships, tanks, ground vehicles, trains, buildings) to populate them.

To that end that will be where most of the community support will be needed as the tools for everything else will exist for TF modders to use

 

This year will see if the community is still interested in CloD with hundreds of fixes and additions coming in TF v5.00

[Ace_Pilto]

I hope someone does something with it, it would be nice to have a game that doesn't roll over and die if it has to render more than 5 objects.

[Hoots]

I hope someone does something with it, it would be nice to have a game that doesn't roll over and die if it has to render more than 5 objects.

5? Think you may need to upgrade, my pc is a very old dell xps and it runs nicely on busy maps. With the work that TF has done clod does also.

Edited February 11, 2016 by Hoots

[Ace_Pilto]

I was exagerrating a little but CloD can definitely pump out (vastly) more AI planes on my system.

[Lusekofte]

As I said earlier, BOS do not reach to CODs heals when it comes to multiplayer. I myself consider BOS at the moment a snack while COD is my main meal. Or BOS is the dessert after a serious steak COD dinner. 

COD is the Mona Lisa in louvre while BOS is the funny caricature you see in the newspaper. 

When I am in the mood for a cartoon I play BOS and when I want some heavy literature I fly COD. 

There is absolutely nothing wrong with any of the games if you are able to find a relatively good role to play. The small irritating issues in both games can easily be ignored if use your imagination

[BraveSirRobin]

The small irritating issues in both games can easily be ignored if use your imagination

 

I found it easier to ignore the problems that CoD has by not bothering to load it onto my new PC.

[Feathered_IV]

I found after I spent just over 400 hours modding and testing CloD's truly abysmal voice acting into something that didn't make me want to put my head through the wall I was able to enjoy the game at last.  Maybe another 50 hours of work and it'll be ready to share it with the rest of you.

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

Thanks to RoF i went to BoS, thanks to BoS i found CLOD. It look promissing.

[Mysticpuma]

I found after I spent just over 400 hours modding and testing CloD's truly abysmal voice acting into something that didn't make me want to put my head through the wall I was able to enjoy the game at last.  Maybe another 50 hours of work and it'll be ready to share it with the rest of you.

 

Look forward to it

[Charlo-VR]

VR implementation will be what determines what sims I fly in the next year or two.

 

In the meantime, after TF's 5.0 will trees cause damage?

[dburne]

I am really looking forward to TF5, I still consider TF Cliffs to be the best WWII all around sim by far.

[Mysticpuma]

VR implementation will be what determines what sims I fly in the next year or two.

In the meantime, after TF's 5.0 will trees cause damage?

[Lusekofte]

I am really looking forward to TF5, I still consider TF Cliffs to be the best WWII all around sim by far.

 

 

I agree, TF 5 will tip COD over to the better one, but not in all aspects. BOS got "things" that exceed COD , same goes with DCS. But as a all in all I prefer COD too