All's Quiet on the Eastern Front?

[Bearcat]

Maybe there is just nothing to tell at the moment...

[6./ZG26_Emil]

Ok, I get it they`re working on it. I haven`t bought the game yet. I keep coming back here every few weeks and...well I don`t know. I mean it`s good they`re working but when is this game going to actually take off? Is a situation where there`s 5-7 DF servers with 50 people in it everything this game is able to do? Just wondering.

 

the numbers online are the same in most sims...it's not BOS that isn't taking off it's flight sims in general, they just don't attract the numbers like they used to...why that is is anyone's guess.

 

As someone who has flown many of the good sims that have been released in the last 20 years I can say the core of BOS is brilliant. The fact that certain things are missing isn't a deal breaker for me and we're just adapting like we had to when CLOD came out. 

 

The fact that we're already going to get new content so soon after release is testament to how focused they are on their goals which is clearly to add more planes and more maps in the shortest possible time. Yes I would like some other features but do I want them at the cost of the sim taking twice as long to produce more content at this stage? I'm not so sure.

[SCG_Neun]

Maybe there is just nothing to tell at the moment...

Well if the creators of the game can't answer those questions...we do have a simple direction for the game....

[Bearcat]

the numbers online are the same in most sims...it's not BOS that isn't taking off it's flight sims in general, they just don't attract the numbers like they used to...why that is is anyone's guess.

 

As someone who has flown many of the good sims that have been released in the last 20 years I can say the core of BOS is brilliant. The fact that certain things are missing isn't a deal breaker for me and we're just adapting like we had to when CLOD came out. 

 

The fact that we're already going to get new content so soon after release is testament to how focused they are on their goals which is clearly to add more planes and more maps in the shortest possible time. Yes I would like some other features but do I want them at the cost of the sim taking twice as long to produce more content at this stage? I'm not so sure.

 

Very well said... and exactly how I feel.. There is a lot I would like to see changed.. and hopefully in time I will.

 

777 has had RoF going for 7 years now.. and contrary to what some may say it is not dead (it is not perfect either..) . The only teams that have been at it longer were MS .. which is no longer in the game.. and ED.... If you add the time of 1C and 777 that is involved in 1CGS then you get then the combined time in the game (of making sims)  moves them to the second slot behind MS instead of the third slot.. Just food for thought.

 

I know that things may get a little contentious at times and that whether we want to admit it or not we simmers are a contentious lot of folks.. demanding, opinionated, very well versed in this our chosen hobby and the surrounding historical information that is the basis for what we do.. and most of us are grown men.. not kids.. so we have a certain swagger that comes from having to go out and bust our rocks daily .. like real men do.. and knowing what we want when it comes to our free time .. and our hard earned cash and how we choose to spend it...  Having said all that... From my point of view the developers of this sim are just like us. I think that if given the choice between a sustainable revenue source based on a quality product .. and having to switch gears every few years they would all chose the former rather than the latter.. I think that they want to deliver a good product.. Granted there have been some poor decisions made along the way..

 

I could see more reason for serious concern if there was no communication ..  but we know that stuff is going on... I don't know too many developers who give a blow by blow description of behind the scenes action.. and given the scope of all this... I just believe that patience is still the watch word. This sim is farther along in development than any other WWII sim at this stage in it's development over the last ten years .. including WT... because when WT was at this stage in it's development .. it was still WoP... and WoP at 1 year was no where near this sim in any way save grpahics.

 

Just food for thought...  like I said .. there are things that I am not happy about with this sim as well.. and if they are never changed it will leave a very bad taste in my mouth.. but for my way of thinking .. that will be the portion of the meal that I just move over to the far side of the plate with my knife and don't take another bite.. There is enough here overall for me to still get a great deal of enjoyment with.. and I haven't even gone online to any degree yet..

[[KWN]T-oddball]

The directional plans as you put it are to make BOM. 

 

Jason

 

I believe this is the answer anyone might need concerning the core of the game.

[SCG_Neun]

the numbers online are the same in most sims...it's not BOS that isn't taking off it's flight sims in general, they just don't attract the numbers like they used to...why that is is anyone's guess.

 

As someone who has flown many of the good sims that have been released in the last 20 years I can say the core of BOS is brilliant. The fact that certain things are missing isn't a deal breaker for me and we're just adapting like we had to when CLOD came out. 

 

The fact that we're already going to get new content so soon after release is testament to how focused they are on their goals which is clearly to add more planes and more maps in the shortest possible time. Yes I would like some other features but do I want them at the cost of the sim taking twice as long to produce more content at this stage? I'm not so sure.

I agree Emil....and I already stated I don't mind how long we have to wait...but my question is.......is this technically feasible. The core being brilliant....well for me that has to do with my question.  Does the game have the ability to morph out into those areas I mentioned.  I can wait...and I'm more than happy to give it time.  But I don't want to cloud my questions with side bars....Basically, can it be done or not?  I'll take no reply as a tacit admission...that  it cannot be done until I hear differently.  And all the words in the world cannot speak for the simple answer...yes or no, with perhaps some explanations included...and all that from the Developers who should know.  If they don't know...well I suppose we could hope for someone more technically versed in these things to make things happen...

 

Right now, it's inferred that third parties can do this and that....But that's been a free pass long enough.  Time to get real on this.

 

And all the little side comments about life time questions about the childhood of this and that...and all the other attempts to pull this away from these questions...well they are what they are...just diversions. 

Edited May 23, 2015 by JagdNeun

[[KWN]T-oddball]

the numbers online are the same in most sims...it's not BOS that isn't taking off it's flight sims in general, they just don't attract the numbers like they used to...why that is is anyone's guess.

 

 

There is something very telling in the fact that both BOS and CLOD have very similar online numbers.....what is it that they both have in common at their core that would cause them to have such similar numbers?....

 

A. neither have a proper HL interface or equivalent

B. neither have a proper CO-OP.

 

It has already been discussed ad nauseam the importance of HL or equivalent and the importance of local host and CO-OP, I can guarantee you that if either has the aforementioned items that online numbers would double and triple almost over night.

[Bearcat]

There is something very telling in the fact that both BOS and CLOD have very similar online numbers.....what is it that they both have in common at their core that would cause them to have such similar numbers?....

 

A. neither have a proper HL interface or equivalent

B. neither have a proper CO-OP.

 

It has already been discussed ad nauseam the importance of HL or equivalent and the importance of local host and CO-OP, I can guarantee you that if either has the aforementioned items that online numbers would double and triple almost over night.

 

Very good points.. Although I think that BoS Launcher could be that interface if eveyone used it. I am curious as to whether or not it could be integrated into the sim. There is a poll about this very subject.

 

The coop thing is tied to the overall implementation of MP IMO because even if it had a decent coop.. which from what I am hearing it does.. it is just a bit problematic... having to run dedicated server SW to do online hosting is IMO a big step backwards. 

[Lusekofte]

For open servers the numbers are similar, but in weekends and campaign days in COD there are hundreds and a half + active. ACG got their sunday campaign going and ATAG is pretty busy sundays. There are potential for more active fliers, but BOS just did not rock the boat for many

[6./ZG26_Emil]

I agree Emil....and I already stated I don't mind how long we have to wait...but my question is.......is this technically feasible. The core being brilliant....well for me that has to do with my question.  Does the game have the ability to morph out into those areas I mentioned.  I can wait...and I'm more than happy to give it time.  But I don't want to cloud my questions with side bars....Basically, can it be done or not?  I'll take no reply as a tacit admission...that  it cannot be done until I hear differently.  And all the words in the world cannot speak for the simple answer...yes or no, with perhaps some explanations included...and all that from the Developers who should know.  If they don't know...well I suppose we could hope for someone more technically versed in these things to make things happen...

 

Right now, it's inferred that third parties can do this and that....But that's been a free pass long enough.  Time to get real on this.

 

And all the little side comments about life time questions about the childhood of this and that...and all the other attempts to pull this away from these questions...well they are what they are...just diversions. 

 

I think if they could afford to do some of this stuff they would do and if I'm right then they're being unfairly punished by the community. 

 

I also posted previously on another thread that I would like to hear about long term aspirations/goals/wish list from them but at the same time we're hardly a forgiving community and I imagine any frank or honest discussion would be used as ammunition by a portion of our community to completely slate the sim which we've seen on a certain other forum to the point that virtually no one bothers going on that 'forum for enthusiasts' anymore.

 

In a perfect world they'd be able to talk to us and we'd listen and share our hopes for the future but every time they say anything they get jumped upon often unfairly or their words are twisted so in a way I wouldn't blame them for saying less and not wanting to commit to anything more than what they can absolutely guarantee which is more planes and maps. In the past they told us they were going to do something and then didn't and were virtually crucified with people harking back to Dev post # whatever with quotes.

Edited May 23, 2015 by JG5_Emil

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

MP numbers are clearly creeping up. I can find more players at a wider range of times than I have in the past, consistently. Servers used to have 10-12 people online and clear out around noon PST. I now find 20-30 in normal and 30-40 in expert, most days of the week and they don't clear out til after 2 pm. The North American scene is still a wasteland in the evenings. I'm guessing it has a lot to do with a mostly unfamiliar theater and plane set. While I don't envision 1500 players online, I think we will be having different conversations about player numbers when we get to the Med, the Far East and the West.

[6./ZG26_Emil]

There is something very telling in the fact that both BOS and CLOD have very similar online numbers.....what is it that they both have in common at their core that would cause them to have such similar numbers?....

 

A. neither have a proper HL interface or equivalent

B. neither have a proper CO-OP.

 

It has already been discussed ad nauseam the importance of HL or equivalent and the importance of local host and CO-OP, I can guarantee you that if either has the aforementioned items that online numbers would double and triple almost over night.

 

This is something I would love more than anything although I don't mind about local host and would even be fairly satisfied with an in game chat/lobby/pager system which I think would be enough to start a squad v squad fight or coop type mission on the fly. If there was only one thing I could get some dialogue with the devs about this would be it for me. Like I said above I would find it impossible to believe they wouldn't want to see us doing co-ops and stuff like this every night and I think they would if they had the funds but I can only imagine they probably have very tight budget constraints and have to focus on the next expansion. 

 

I will continue to hope that it happens one day and that we are right and it draws in more people and in the mean time I'm just going to enjoy what I already have

MP numbers are clearly creeping up. I can find more players at a wider range of times than I have in the past, consistently. Servers used to have 10-12 people online and clear out around noon PST. I now find 20-30 in normal and 30-40 in expert, most days of the week and they don't clear out til after 2 pm. The North American scene is still a wasteland in the evenings. I'm guessing it has a lot to do with a mostly unfamiliar theater and plane set. While I don't envision 1500 players online, I think we will be having different conversations about player numbers when we get to the Med, the Far East and the West.

 

That's why I am glad they're bringing the P-40. 

 

I would like them to stay on the eastern from a little longer though, I would really like a Murmansk map with hurricanes & P39s as well. Then maybe they could do a North Africa or Med expansion with a bit more ease.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

I really think the Med needs to be next. I'm really supportive of the game but I don't think I'm prepared to pay/stay east for a third release unless it's a smaller expansion pack. Say four planes and a map.

 

P-39, Hs 129 and two more as voted on by the community - if I were driving.

 

Next theater needs to move out of the east for a round or two. I'm fine going back, however, after it opens up a bit. I've been on board an relatively happy overall, payed full price willingly and gifted planes to perfect strangers. I'm willing to continue the trend asking as they keep driving my interest.

 

Just my opinion.

[TheElf]

I really think the Med needs to be next. I'm really supportive of the game but I don't think I'm prepared to pay/stay east for a third release unless it's a smaller expansion pack. Say four planes and a map.

 

P-39, Hs 129 and two more as voted on by the community - if I were driving.

 

Next theater needs to move out of the east for a round or two. I'm fine going back, however, after it opens up a bit. I've been on board an relatively happy overall, payed full price willingly and gifted planes to perfect strangers. I'm willing to continue the trend asking as they keep driving my interest.

 

Just my opinion.

 

concur.

[SCG_Neun]

 

In a perfect world they'd be able to talk to us and we'd listen and share our hopes for the future but every time they say anything they get jumped upon often unfairly or their words are twisted so in a way I wouldn't blame them for saying less and not wanting to commit to anything more than what they can absolutely guarantee which is more planes and maps. In the past they told us they were going to do something and then didn't and were virtually crucified with people harking back to Dev post # whatever with quotes.

Well, there is truth in that for sure Emil.  But the questions have been asked...and well, it is what is.  I can't realistically see this game in anything larger than a small scale battle engagement.  And don't get me wrong...I'm having some fun with that....But I will not support the inferred reference that this game can actually be improved to any substantial degree, based on "brush off's" and no answers.  So now....this forum once filled with people, now has maybe 20 to 30 posters? A sign of the inferences, and the lack of direction.  Oh.....wait..the direction is BOM.  Oh okay...thanks.

[Bearcat]

I think if they could afford to do some of this stuff they would do and if I'm right then they're being unfairly punished by the community. 

 

I also posted previously on another thread that I would like to hear about long term aspirations/goals/wish list from them but at the same time we're hardly a forgiving community and I imagine any frank or honest discussion would be used as ammunition by a portion of our community to completely slate the sim which we've seen on a certain other forum to the point that virtually no one bothers going on that 'forum for enthusiasts' anymore.

 

In a perfect world they'd be able to talk to us and we'd listen and share our hopes for the future but every time they say anything they get jumped upon often unfairly or their words are twisted so in a way I wouldn't blame them for saying less and not wanting to commit to anything more than what they can absolutely guarantee which is more planes and maps. In the past they told us they were going to do something and then didn't and were virtually crucified with people harking back to Dev post # whatever with quotes.

 

Absolutely .... Fantastic post there E...

 

MP numbers are clearly creeping up. I can find more players at a wider range of times than I have in the past, consistently. Servers used to have 10-12 people online and clear out around noon PST. I now find 20-30 in normal and 30-40 in expert, most days of the week and they don't clear out til after 2 pm. The North American scene is still a wasteland in the evenings. I'm guessing it has a lot to do with a mostly unfamiliar theater and plane set. While I don't envision 1500 players online, I think we will be having different conversations about player numbers when we get to the Med, the Far East and the West.

 

Possibly.. I think a lot of it also has to do with a combination of things.. some which I will not rehash here.. but we know what they are as far as

 

This is something I would love more than anything although I don't mind about local host and would even be fairly satisfied with an in game chat/lobby/pager system which I think would be enough to start a squad v squad fight or coop type mission on the fly. If there was only one thing I could get some dialogue with the devs about this would be it for me. Like I said above I would find it impossible to believe they wouldn't want to see us doing co-ops and stuff like this every night and I think they would if they had the funds but I can only imagine they probably have very tight budget constraints and have to focus on the next expansion. 

 

I will continue to hope that it happens one day and that we are right and it draws in more people and in the mean time I'm just going to enjoy what I already have

That's why I am glad they're bringing the P-40.I would like them to stay on the eastern from a little longer though, I would really like a Murmansk map with hurricanes & P39s as well. Then maybe they could do a North Africa or Med expansion with a bit more ease.

 

I agree.. I don't think they should leave the east until they bring in the Hurris and P-39s.. and perhaps a Hs-129 and a FW-189.. or another variant of the 109 & 190

 

I really think the Med needs to be next. I'm really supportive of the game but I don't think I'm prepared to pay/stay east for a third release unless it's a smaller expansion pack. Say four planes and a map.

 

P-39, Hs 129 and two more as voted on by the community - if I were driving.

 

Next theater needs to move out of the east for a round or two. I'm fine going back, however, after it opens up a bit. I've been on board an relatively happy overall, payed full price willingly and gifted planes to perfect strangers. I'm willing to continue the trend asking as they keep driving my interest.

 

Just my opinion.

 

I think if they do stay in the east a less expensive add on with a smaller plane set and another map or two would be great... but yeah the Med would be a great choice as the next theater after leaving the east..

[SCG_Neun]

Yes....I tend to agree with Bearcat on this one....I love the Med...but less expensive to remain on the Eastern Front.  There's just so much there to do yet and even if the battlezone is narrowed with the ground forces and aircraft....it's still a hoot to go out on patrol.  Just give me some of those fog of war missions and that will make up for the lack of numbers.

Edited May 23, 2015 by JagdNeun

[6./ZG26_Custard]

 

 

really think the Med needs to be next.

I think that the next plane set in BoM may well be pointing in the direction of a MTO, particularly with the Macchi C.202 and of course the P-40. 

 

 

 

Very good points.. Although I think that BoS Launcher could be that interface if eveyone used

 

It's perfectly adequate to chat in a lobby, PM and see who is on what server etc but I'm so surprised that not more people use it.

   

I can completely understand the frustration that people are feeling with regards to the things that are wrong in this sim and the lack of "where do we go from here" but there is a great deal about it which is so right. I genuinely haven't had as much fun in years and I get a real buzz from this sim, much more than any other out there. I'm flying with a great bunch of guys and there is a great deal of satisfaction to be had from the core elements of BoS when flying as a team on TS.

 

The single player is sorely lacking but I want to heap praise on all those dedicated folks who are working on shared missions for BoS. They have done an exemplary job and I hope one day that we will have a third party campaign that we can all be proud of. 

 

I think currently all we can do is wait "how long" I here people cry, but as we know it takes money (lots of it) to produce high quality sims, so I'm not at all surprised  work is going full steam ahead with BoM being released when for many folks BoS seems unfinished.

[=VARP=Cygann]

I am sorry but whenever someone says BOS has a coop, I strongly disagree.

 

ROF has it, BOS does not.

 

Co-op imply taking off at the same time from airfield, and it means dead is dead for the duration of the mission until mission change. Any ongoing server can't provide this.

When we ask for coop, we ask for this, coop missions as they were in old IL2.

 

It does not matter if dedicated server runs mission in sequence one after another. But it must be the case where you occupy one slot of available planes for the mission and if you die/bail out you must wait for mission to change before going in again. Anything other then this is not a coop for me. It's just another MP server that can be good and have objectives (like Storm of War in CloD) but it's still not a coop.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

I think that the next plane set in BoM may well be pointing in the direction of a MTO, particularly with the Macchi C.202 and of course the P-40. 

 

-snip-

 

Yeah, and the FW190 A-3 must mean that France, 1940 is on the list too!

 

/S

[SharpeXB]

I think there's hardly another developer in this genre who is so communicative with their customers or who has a better record of delivering their product as well as these guys. All the hand wringing, gloom and doom is a bit unwarranted. The trouble is many of the fans are so insatiable nothing will ever satisfy them. [Edited]

[SCG_Neun]

Well....it is true the game does work well for me now, and I've never had any problems with the updates loading, in addition to a lot of other pluses within the game itself.   But for me personally...I'm not hand wringing....I don't even have any gloom and doom, and I don't really need to take a chill pill, although if they come in licorice flavor...I might give it a go.  I just asked a question, was brushed off, and I didn't get an answer in the long run.  I will say this...I do appreciate the fact that I was allowed to push my point, and now....well now, I actually do have my answer and the directional plan for the game.  So it's back to the cyber skies for me.  I'll make the best use of what this game does provide and have some fun... Horrido!

Edited May 24, 2015 by JagdNeun

[Bearcat]

I don't understand why you would think that you would not be allowed to post your question.

 

Look... there are a lot of issues that are wrapped around this entire endeavor and some of them go way back and have their roots in other sims that both parties in this 1CGS partnership had a hand in designing .. for better or worse.  I am not saying that there are not legitimate issues that we all know of in this sim.. but a lot of the tension.. a lot of the drama and a lot of the pure BS that gets tossed around over this sim here and elsewhere has roots that are deep and old. This is a fact and this accounts for some of the heavy handedness from some circles I am certain,  because some of it just gets old and gets hard to take. When ever I feel that I have been slighted, before I react the first thing I do is try to put myself in that person's shoes for a second to see if maybe I did step over a line.. and if doing that still does not give me clarity or help me explain that person's actions then I act as I feel I should where my integrity or what have you has been challenged or besmirched.. I am sure that other folks probably do the same.. and just to be clear I am not saying in any way that I feel that you or anyone else for that matter in this instance have wronged me..  or that it is because of me that you feel this way...  I am just making a general statement.

 

Granted there are a few bonafide certifiable @hats  ion the sim community (which is not very large to begin with) that come here whose reputations are well known throughout the community.  Some of these folks have issues and have had issues for a long long time and often their mere presence in a thread whether here or elsewhere immediately signifies a certain direction that the dialog will inevitably take... but for the most part folks are not like that and if I have said it once I have said it a hundred times.. discussion is welcome here. Criticism is welcome here.. a lot of the issues and moderation either from myself or from admins above me comes in when things start to go down a very well traveled path and are steered in that direction by the same individuals who have proven time and time again that pretty much anything that this team does will always be looked at from it's most negative aspect as opposed to it's most positive one. For them even if the glass is 3/4 full it will still be 1/4 empty in their eyes. That kind of discord is corrosive and is unfair to the members who come here and just want to figure stuff out or talk about the sim good and bad without all the other shtuff.

 

Your questions are legitimate and I am sure that even though there has been no direct answer that has been to your satisfaction there will be an answer and in the end it will be something different from what any of us expect.

[SCG_Neun]

No BC...it was to my satisfaction...well not how it was delivered....but I wouldn't call it not direct.  I really do want the best for this game, and I know you know I'm not kidding about that....So...if things happen in spite of whatever...for the good of the game....great!  I will be one of the first ones to say...man guys...this is just sooooooooooo unexpected.  Way to Go!   Right now...I'm reading....studying up on the battle, flying some custom missions...making video tracks....and enjoying what is here.  

Edited May 24, 2015 by JagdNeun

[Rjel]

Right now...I'm reading....studying up on the battle, flying some custom missions...making video tracks....and enjoying what is here.  

I think that's what the majority of us have been and still are doing. With time those who are unhappy will either decide things have improved enough to get onboard or they will simply fade away. Whichever way that goes, it'll be a positive for the rest of us.

[Bearcat]

I think that's what the majority of us have been and still are doing. With time those who are unhappy will either decide things have improved enough to get onboard or they will simply fade away. Whichever way that goes, it'll be a positive for the rest of us.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

I think that's what the majority of us have been and still are doing. With time those who are unhappy will either decide things have improved enough to get onboard or they will simply fade away. Whichever way that goes, it'll be a positive for the rest of us.

 

Don't get too excited.

 

I'm not going anywhere.

[Dakpilot]

Someone give him a refund  although I actually think he has got his moneys worth from entertainment value....

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Nah, I'm good with critical views of the game. It's the three or four dedicated trolls who are just here to derail things that get under my skin on occasion. Criticism of the game helps drive it toward needed improvements and success. I am critical of many aspects of the game while seeing many of its finer points as well. Happy to have the critics aboard.

[Bearcat]

Nah, I'm good with critical views of the game. It's the three or four dedicated trolls who are just here to derail things that get under my skin on occasion. Criticism of the game helps drive it toward needed improvements and success. I am critical of many aspects of the game while seeing many of its finer points as well. Happy to have the critics aboard.

 

I agree ..  some of this goes beyond just criticism..

[Porkman]

Agree that constructive criticism should be and is welcome. The devs have tried to prove that they will tweak things based on feedback with the addition of a way to bypass unlocks and the improved 190 FM that IMO is so much closer to being "right" in relation to other planes now. Also free map was a good change of scenery, and the DM tweaks feel really good to me and put an appropriate priority on landing hits with well placed bursts now and way less lucky one round engine kills from spray and pray.

 

Lets hope they continue to make good decisions and changes as this series moves forward. Also lets hope that some of the posters here that hold an obvious grudge or hidden agenda, or are just always looking for an argument with whoever about whatever, decide to be less vocal and let the rest of us use the forum as a place of intelligent discussion and support for new players/questions.

[[KWN]T-oddball]

Nah, I'm good with critical views of the game. It's the three or four dedicated trolls who are just here to derail things that get under my skin on occasion. Criticism of the game helps drive it toward needed improvements and success. I am critical of many aspects of the game while seeing many of its finer points as well. Happy to have the critics aboard.

 

Ask youself how much Criticism would there be or have been if this had been called ROF:BOS? (no matter the name foul would been cried on the unlocks BS) and if  constructive criticism is ignored and does not lead to impovments and success were the people you call trolls really that...or were they just right?....

 

 

Someone give him a refund  although I actually think he has got his moneys worth from entertainment value....

 

Cheers Dakpilot

 

4 attempts through support and one to jason himself.

[sallee]

Ask youself how much Criticism would there be or have been if this had been called ROF:BOS? (no matter the name foul would been cried on the unlocks BS) and if  constructive criticism is ignored and does not lead to impovments and success were the people you call trolls really that...or were they just right?....

 

 

 

 

4 attempts through support and one to jason himself.

I'm sure we could have whip-round on receipt of certain undertakings.

[3instein]

Sooooo, after Jason saying that he was on the look out for some folk to try and do a SP campaign, (or words to that effect) I take it that no one yet has been found?

 

Mick.

[Bearcat]

Ask youself how much Criticism would there be or have been if this had been called ROF:BOS? (no matter the name foul would been cried on the unlocks BS) and if  constructive criticism is ignored and does not lead to impovments and success were the people you call trolls really that...or were they just right?....

 

4 attempts through support and one to jason himself.

 

Yeah right.. so you are saying that if this had been called RoF:BoS instead of IL2 BoS then that would have made a difference... unlocks not with standing..? I don't think so.. Just look at the stuff levelled at RoF on the 1C boards initially..  Cliffs of Dover did not initially live up to it's heritage.. For many who bought it sight unseen it was initially unplayable and at the time of it's abandonment by it's creators it was still a sub par product. Now that it has been worked on by TF some people want to act as if The level of vitriol and drama leveled at this sim has been well beyond the pale.. Granted there has been much that has happened that I cannot help but wonder if we would even have now had it not been for some of the more vocal and persistent complaints.. and as has been stated criticism is a good thing and everyone welcomes it. Criticism is to a developer what paion is to the body.. it often lets us know when we are doing something wrong...  It is the onloy way  You have folks still going on about censorship and bannings on this forum when nothing could be farther from the truth.. In truth the last person who was banned here who was not a spambot got a 3 day.. and he deserved it.. before that it has been 3 weeks ... You have folks going on and on about not getting updates.. when the truth of the matter is that no developer that I know of has ever been as forthcoming as this team .. even if things have slowed own of late.. and that includes the Friday updates in ORR at UBI.. yet all that gets forgotten. Based on their record we all can be pretty confident that once there is more to tell we will hear it...

[[KWN]T-oddball]

Yeah right.. so you are saying that if this had been called RoF:BoS instead of IL2 BoS then that would have made a difference... unlocks not with standing..? I don't think so.. Just look at the stuff levelled at RoF on the 1C boards initially..  Cliffs of Dover did not initially live up to it's heritage.. For many who bought it sight unseen it was initially unplayable and at the time of it's abandonment by it's creators it was still a sub par product. Now that it has been worked on by TF some people want to act as if The level of vitriol and drama leveled at this sim has been well beyond the pale.. Granted there has been much that has happened that I cannot help but wonder if we would even have now had it not been for some of the more vocal and persistent complaints.. and as has been stated criticism is a good thing and everyone welcomes it. Criticism is to a developer what paion is to the body.. it often lets us know when we are doing something wrong...  It is the onloy way  You have folks still going on about censorship and bannings on this forum when nothing could be farther from the truth.. In truth the last person who was banned here who was not a spambot got a 3 day.. and he deserved it.. before that it has been 3 weeks ... You have folks going on and on about not getting updates.. when the truth of the matter is that no developer that I know of has ever been as forthcoming as this team .. even if things have slowed own of late.. and that includes the Friday updates in ORR at UBI.. yet all that gets forgotten. Based on their record we all can be pretty confident that once there is more to tell we will hear it...

 

Cliffs of Dover did not initially live up to it's heritage.....thats my point BC , with the name IL2 come expectations and CLOD failed there as well in 2 major areas that I have already mentioned that  have caused a loss of interest in many people. As for the vitriol and drama you know as well as I that the devs have made several very unpopular decisions so you really cant hang it all on the community for their reactions to said decisions.

 

Speaking of expectations...

 

 

Would it be possible to integrate a streamlined version of the dedicated server aspect of BoS into the sim itself so that MP could be managed more in the manner in which it is in IL2 as in peer to peer hosting?

This would go a long way to making MP more accessible than it is now.

 

Will the trims ever be assignable to an axis for all the aircraft that had trim on a wheel or a lever?

This is an immersion killer for an otherwise very well done systems control integration (not a study sim but very well done..).

 

Would it be possible to integrate BoS Launcher into the sim so that when you selected MP instead of doing what it now does it automatically launches the launcher?

Even if this were done on a manner where a path to the launcher could be set by the user. One of the big stumbling points of MP IMO is that there is no lobby and therefore the entire social aspect of online simming.. which is a huge part of why to this day some 14 years alter Hyperlobby is still relatively active, particularly when compared to both BoS and CoD.

 

 

The above makes it very clear that you know exactly what i am talking about when dealing with the IL2 tag.

 

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=2040

 

on a side note I heard ROF has a CO-OP mode...I did not know this until recently....why was it removed?

 

 

I still wonder what happened to this model....

 

 

 

Edited May 25, 2015 by T-oddball

[Bearcat]

Cliffs of Dover did not initially live up to it's heritage.....thats my point BC , with the name IL2 come expectations and CLOD failed there as well in 2 major areas that I have already mentioned that  have caused a loss of interest in many people. As for the vitriol and drama you know as well as I that the devs have made several very unpopular decisions so you really cant hang it all on the community for their reactions to said decisions.

 

Speaking of expectations...

The above makes it very clear that you know exactly what i am talking about when dealing with the IL2 tag.

on a side note I heard ROF has a CO-OP mode...I did not know this until recently....why was it removed?

I still wonder what happened to this model....

 

 

Ooooo that Mustang looks ... yummy... 

 

At the end of the day we all want the same thing.  The same thing we have all been wanting since around 2006 give or take.. which was a new and improved IL2.. because IL2 got so much right. Consider that these models are at least 7 years old..

[[KWN]T-oddball]

Ooooo that Mustang looks ... yummy... 

 

At the end of the day we all want the same thing.  The same thing we have all been wanting since around 2006 give or take.. which was a new and improved IL2.. because IL2 got so much right.

 

 

quoted for truth.

 

do you believe those screen shots are from 7 years ago... these models are either gone or languishing on someones hard drive...

 

 

 

 

[Bearcat]

Yes they are.. I looked at the dates of the posts on 1C.. and who knows.. some of that may have been incorporated into DCS for all we know..

[TheElf]

I agree..

 

Yes....I tend to agree with Bearcat on this one....I love the Med...but less expensive to remain on the Eastern Front.  There's just so much there to do yet and even if the battlezone is narrowed with the ground forces and aircraft....it's still a hoot to go out on patrol.  Just give me some of those fog of war missions and that will make up for the lack of numbers.

 

until they bring in the Hurris and P-39s.. and perhaps a Hs-129 and a FW-189.. or another variant of the 109 & 190

 

 

I think if they do stay in the east a less expensive add on with a smaller plane set and another map or two would be great... but yeah the Med would be a great choice as the next theater after leaving the east..

 

I think staying in the East after the BoM installment is folly.  There are entire populations of Simmers who have steered clear of BoS/BoM to this point simply because the Eastern Front holds no interest for them.  I find this unfortunate and short-sighted for those people as the Eastern Front is absolutely fascinating for me.  But so is the Med, Pacific, China/Burma, Winter War, North Africa etc.  You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.  Simmers are known to be a stubborn lot of horses, even when dying of thirst, and they aren't all drinking yet.  If the Devs continue to show that they are a one-trick-content-pony they will be missing a great opportunity to capitalize on the Sim market and grab market share from the War Thunder Market, and get out in front of DCS and CloD.  

 

One of the strengths of IL-2 Sturmovik was the variety it brought to the community.  The BoS brand is absent that strength right now and would only remain a one-trick-content-pony longer while the competition rapidly expands to service the groups of simmers who desire other theaters.  They'd be intentionally leaving skin out of the game.

 

It's about messaging as much as anything else, and of late I think this part has been sorely missing.  If they are going to create ANY buzz about this product it's goin gto happen when the large holes in BoS are filled with a combination of highly requested features, and an expansion in content AWAY from the Eastern Front.   

 

 

If I were King for a day, my plan would be to announce the 3rd installment of the Series as Either the Med or Pacific, knock BoM out of the park with the planned content and few of the top 10 features requested by the community, and continue to supply the Eastern Front with onesy-twosey content packs such as new maps and Objects, and Variants of current aircraft (to include add-on ordance packs) and release new aircraft in an "Adversary Pack".  Fw-190D vs. Yak-3 ; Hs-129 vs. A-20 Boston ; F2A vs. I-15/153.  The effect would be that while expanding into another highly desired theater the Eastern Front continues to grow in a sustainable, steady pace while maintaining interest from the community in the Eastern Front.  

 

At the Rate we are going, which is a good rate compared to the market, we still wouldn't see another theater until 2017-2018 if the 3rd installment is another Eastern Front effort.  That is just WAY too long to ignore the rest of the world, and would be a missed opportunity for the brand.

Edited May 25, 2015 by TheElf