Stand alone vs. Expansion

[Skeptical_Bunny]

Battle of Stalingrad was released 22 October 2014, the game isn't even a year old and a new game have already been announced and from I understand isn't far from release. Battle of Moscow is supposed to be a stand alone game, but it's supposed to be compatible with Battle of Stalingrad, from what I have understood, yes? This would mean that they are mostly the same game, BoM will just bring a few new planes and maps and some new features to the table, right?

 

Why make it a stand alone game when it's based on the same game? Why not just make it an expansion for BoS?

 

It is of course about money, they want to make money on both games, but... By doing what they are doing they are effectively killing Battle of Stalingrad to give you Battle of Moscow. Instead of making a new stand alone game it would be far better to offer expansions on the original game and building on it. Rename it to Eastern Front Offensive and use it to expand the game by offering operations, like Battle of Moscow, Second Battle of Kharkov,  Case Blue, Battle of Voronezh and many more. This would give the developers more to work with and the chance to make more money off of the game. And of course the customers better value for their money and a better and more fun game to play. Having it this way doesn't only make the game better and bigger, but it also make the developers work easier, they wont have to make a completely new game each time they want to expand on their ideas.

 

 

[Feathered_IV]

I think they have effectively done both. It can be installed either as a standalone or as an addon. That way everybody can be pleased or annoyed as they see fit.

[Original_Uwe]

Well it seemed to work alright for P.F. I dont see any problem with what they are doing. IL2 did it in the past with great success.

[Skeptical_Bunny]

But the price on it... Geez! It's enough to ruin a marriage... 

[Finkeren]

The price isn't that bad. I've had jobs where I made more an hour.

[Wulf]

The price isn't that bad. I've had jobs where I made more an hour.

 

 

Hmmmmm ....weird.  I'd assumed rates in the sex industry were better than that but, we live and learn I guess.  

[simplyjames]

Its extremely direct. You're paying for planes. Choose both or one group of planes. If it were an expansion and you only wanted the BoM planes, you're forced to buy more than you want.

 

Its all one game/sim regardless.

Edited May 15, 2015 by simplyjames

[Original_Uwe]

But the price on it... Geez! It's enough to ruin a marriage...

 

I miss the days of 20 dollar flight simms too, but they are loooooooooong gone. Got to pay to play.

Besides compared to What we spent building rigs to run these things it's peanuts.

[6./ZG26_Emil]

If that is what is costs to make a decent flight sim then so be it. If 100 bucks is enough to ruin a marriage I dread to think what your wife would say when you are looking to buy a new graphics card :D

[SYN_Bandy]

... Besides compared to What we spent building rigs to run these things it's peanuts.

 

True!  But somehow it doesn't sit right with me, pre-ordering BoM when BoS is still incomplete in so many ways in my opinion.  I'll likely do it anyways, on the last day of preorder, but still...

[6./ZG26_Emil]

True!  But somehow it doesn't sit right with me, pre-ordering BoM when BoS is still incomplete in so many ways in my opinion.  I'll likely do it anyways, on the last day of preorder, but still...

 

On the flip side the CLOD devs did wait till they nearly got things 'right' or fixed and by that time the went belly up, maybe if MG had announced a preorder of BOM they might have survived....providing they'd had an understanding 'community' which they didn't. It was once said by a certain someone that the flight sim community is self destructive and self defeating and I completely agree.

 

I think this sim is pretty good considering how long it has been released for, the fact we'll have a load more planes and maps within months is great news and if only the grumpy crowd could take their meds more regularly they might see the positives as well.

[SYN_Bandy]

...

I think this sim is pretty good considering how long it has been released for, the fact we'll have a load more planes and maps within months is great news and if only the grumpy crowd could take their meds more regularly they might see the positives as well.

 

I assume that is directed at me and perhaps some other grumps around here?  Won't take it personally, I am acknowledged as being a bear on occassion around my home...

 

I'm not sure why comparisons to CloD keep appearing, other than that development and release 'party', and the meltdown that followed, is an extreme example of how not to manage and handle game development. 

 

Yes, I agree that the flight sim community tends to draw grognard perfectionists to its ranks (and really less desirable types, some with an out-and-out agenda against a certain business).  The grognards must be an absolute headache for a developer to deal with, BUT that is no excuse for some of the game decisions and knee-jerk communication blunders that at times continue to be made with the community.  Not worth rehashing details, the wounds are still healing and the community good will is on the upswing, so hopeful that good times are ahead.

Edited May 15, 2015 by SYN_Bandy

[6./ZG26_Emil]

No it wasn't directed at you

[voncrapenhauser]

I think they have effectively done both. It can be installed either as a standalone or as an addon. That way everybody can be pleased or annoyed as they see fit.

Good price for a game, agreed, not good price for those who already have BOS, its simply an add-on to those people.

Please do not get me wrong, I love this game but disagree on paying again for a game engine I already have.

 

I would gladly pay for the extra content and aircraft no problem as I have been doing in this and ROF.

 

Right now I am disillusioned with the whole approach and direction this game is taking TBH.

Its a shame as its making me loose interest in what was a really good series that I have been playing since the first IL2.

I am on the annoyed and sad side at this time.

Edited May 15, 2015 by voncrapenhauser

[Finkeren]

Hmmmmm ....weird. I'd assumed rates in the sex industry were better than that but, we live and learn I guess.

You can't base your assumptions about todays rates based on what your mum earned, when she was in her prime

[6./ZG26_Emil]

You can't base your assumptions about todays rates based on what your mum earned, when she was in her prime

 

[coconut]

It's a question of point of view. At first I thought I would not preorder, and maybe not even buy BOM when it comes out, because I have enough fun with the existing planes.

On the other hand, I think a subscription-based game would be OK with me. It has certain advantages for consumers and developers alike:

• I can try it for one month's cost, and cancel my subscription if I don't like it. Better than trying to decide whether I should buy a game depending on what I read on forums and see on youtube.
• If I think the development is not going in a direction I like, I can cancel my subscription.
• Devs get a steady source of income. They don't go out of business if it takes them twice as long to develop the next "iteration". All they have to do is push out new features and improvements on a monthly basis. 

I don't know if 1CGS is planning to release a new theatre every year/6 months, but if they do, I can see that as a subscription model of sorts (where you subscribe for one year at a time), and paying again doesn't feel as wasteful any more. What is an acceptable yearly subscription rate will depend on one's opinion, but for me $50 (the price of the game if pick it at the right time currently, right?) is very reasonable.

[Bearcat]

 

 

The price isn't that bad. I've had jobs where I made more an hour.

 

Hmmmmm ....weird.  I'd assumed rates in the sex industry were better than that but, we live and learn I guess.  

 

You can't base your assumptions about todays rates based on what your mum earned, when she was in her prime

 

  ........ Well...  .... alrighty then... moving right a long ... let's .... shall we....

[Porkman]

So anyone know how their plan to release BOM as both stand alone and as an expansion to BOS will play out in multiplayer?  That is the only area where I can see a potential issue with releasing it in this manner.  The way I am thinking about it, which correct me if i am wrong, is that by selling BOM this way, that will mean that some people in the mulitplayer community will have BOS only, some people will have both BOS and BOM, and some new people might only buy BOM.  How will this work in multiplayer, without further dividing the already small multiplayer numbers we have now?  

 

The people that only have BOS will most likely not be able to fly with the people that only have BOM, meaning there will have to be separate BOS only servers as well as BOM only servers.  As it stands now, it is a real struggle to fill a single server, what is the prediction for when BOM is released and the pool of players gets split between the two games...or are the devs just assuming that everyone will buy both and support both titles equally?

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Good price for a game, agreed, not good price for those who already have BOS, its simply an add-on to those people.

Please do not get me wrong, I love this game but disagree on paying again for a game engine I already have.

 

I would gladly pay for the extra content and aircraft no problem as I have been doing in this and ROF.

 

Right now I am disillusioned with the whole approach and direction this game is taking TBH.

Its a shame as its making me loose interest in what was a really good series that I have been playing since the first IL2.

I am on the annoyed and sad side at this time.

I think if you change your perspective ever so slightly you can view the price in a more positive light. Even if you just look at this as an expansion you are getting seven (in premium) new planes and, for giggles let's call it three new maps, for your 100 bucks. That's 10 dollars per item, even as a DLC expansion pack. Still not bad in my book. The glass is 3/5ths full. 

[Finkeren]

........ Well... .... alrighty then... moving right a long ... let's .... shall we....

Glad you're letting this slide BC. I realize we were pushing it, but we were just holding around, no I'll intent.

[Skeptical_Bunny]

Yes.. Let's keep prostitutes out of this, this has nothing to do with that at all, but rather the point I'm trying to make here..

 

Instead of making expansions for the existing game they choose make a new stand alone game, a stand alone game that is no more than an expansion for the existing game and they have us pay full game price for it. I for one wont be putting money in their pockets for BoS for the simple reason that it's not a new game, it's an overpriced expansion of the existing one. I wont pay full game price for something that only give me a few new maps and planes... That's not a new game.. A new game shouldn't be compatible with the existing one, that's the purpose of an expansion, not a new stand alone game.

 

I came from War Thunder to this game.. I haven't played this game so much and it isn't long since I bought it but.. I do like it and so I bought two more versions of it to give to two of my friends that also like air combat games. It is far better than War Thunder on several things, things like DM and FM, graphic, effects, but War Thunder does hold something over this game.. That is the expansion, the game being built upon and expanded with the adding of new maps and planes. Yes, War Thunder is a much bigger game than this, it has a LOT more planes, but it wasn't much bigger at the start. By going the way they are going with IL2 Battle of Stalingrad and Battle of Moscow they are expanding the game, but only for those willing to pay full game price for both games and the newest one being nothing more than an expansion of Battle of Stalingrad. For people owning Battle of Moscow to be able to play with people that owns Battle of Stalingrad they have to own both games, and vise versa for those owning Battle of Stalingrad. Expanding the original game with expansion packages that doesn't sell at full game prices, but at a lower price than the original game is a far better way to evolve the game. It expands the game and the player experience.

 

From what I have understood.. The campaign in BoM is worse than the one in BoS, which is really bad. It's a watered down, every mission is generated randomly from a premade set of missions. It gives the game a stale and cheap aftertaste. The game has an online multiplayer option that is nice, I have nothing to say on the multiplayer server part of the game, but being an online game with a campaign and single mission option it lack one thing.. The ability for friends to play the campaign and the single missions together in a co-op mode.

 

Despite all the negative things I've just said about the game and my views on how they should have done the expansion of it.. I do like the game and I will continue to play it as long as there are players enough to have fun playing it online. It does look good in many ways, it has far better damage and flight models than War Thunder, it could use better graphic option and certainly more sound options, the control options could use a bit of a cleanup, it could use better compatibility with the different joysticks on the market. But.. I doubt I would spend money on BoM when it is released, because it's an expansion that sells for full game price. To put it in short.. New players wanting to play the game will of course buy the latest expansion to the game, and since it's a stand alone game, they do not need the others and because of this many wont bother buying the others and so there will be less new players playing with those that doesn't have the latest expansion. That is what bothers me with the developers way of pulling of the game expansion.

Edited May 15, 2015 by Skeptical_Bunny

[Y-29.Silky]

With all the drama BoS had in it's pre-release beta and soon after the full release of BoS, they mention BoM will be going through a pre-release beta, it was just exhausting to hear, I don't think I could handle it again.

 

I think they should have went with like the Don Front or whatever, Northern Front, instead of what they're doing right now because the air battle over Moscow was so small it's almost not even worth mentioning.

[Skeptical_Bunny]

Silky' timestamp='1431723332' post='259659'] With all the drama BoS had in it's pre-release beta and soon after the full release of BoS, they mention BoM will be going through a pre-release beta, it was just exhausting to hear, I don't think I could handle it again.

 

Both me and my friends feel the same way, BoS had barely been on the official market for more than 6 months before BoM was announced.

 

I do understand that the developers want to make money on the game and I respect that, but.. IMHO they are going at it in the wrong way. Let's say this goes a bit further and there they release the fourth in the series. It is a stand alone game and fully compatible with it's predecessors, people that are new to the game series wont bother buying the previous three games, because.. What's the point.. Every one will be playing the new one anyway and so the game doesn't really expand and become bigger with more options, no it stays the same unless you buy all of them. Players can simply choose to buy only the last one. But.. If it's based on expansions you get the original game and a series of expansion packages that wont work on their own. A player then have to buy the original game and then can choose to buy the expansions that he/she want and at a lower price than they would have to pay with how it's being done now. The developers would actually make more money off of the game that way, because more people would choose to buy the expansions and because there would be less work for the developers to do in making the expansions. And the game would actually be better because of it because there would be more maps and more planes and this gives the game more versatility. 

Edited May 15, 2015 by Skeptical_Bunny

[361fundahl]

Maybe they will be able to play same server, but planes will be locked for the "set" you haven't bought yet?

[Skeptical_Bunny]

Maybe they will be able to play same server, but planes will be locked for the "set" you haven't bought yet?

Unless every game have the same maps and the older games are updated with the mew maps from the new games, then they wont be able to play on the same servers.

 

This game has gotten some bad publicity because of the way the developers are going about it, BoS have barely made a name for itself and from what I understand, a bad one, before they announce the new BoM. This only make BoS worse. Like I said before.. This game has a lot of issues that give it a cheap and stale aftertaste, it's poorly and made like it's meant to come off some low quality conveyor belt. If they had made it with expansion focus instead of new game expansion, then I think the game would have been made with more pride and quality, than with this.. "Okay.. Done with that.. On to the next one." ..thinking. The developers are shooting themselves in the foot by doing what they are doing now. The quality of the game as it is right now is quite poor, it's killing the legacy of the old one. It has a campaign that's thrown together with basically 3-4 missions for each of the mission type, that are randomly selected, with the exception of Ground Support mission type, this one only have one mission, every ground support mission look exactly the same. After playing just the two fist parts of the campaign I was already bored with it, I was sick of flying the same mission over and over again.

Edited May 15, 2015 by Skeptical_Bunny

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

There is a LOT of SUPPOSITION here about compatibility and how the games will interact with each other. All we know so far is the games can be bought as stand alone or merged. How that works and how that affects MP is completely unknown. I think we should all just cool our heels a little bit and see how it pans out or how the Dev's announce it will work. I suspect they have a plan. Whether it is a good plan or not , we simply do not know yet and it is hardly worth arguing or soapboxing about. There will be plenty of time for that after they announce...............and there will be argument regardless of how they do it, of course, because it's what we do as flight simmers.

 

 

Or, you know, run around with your hair on fire because that seems healthy too.

Edited May 15, 2015 by HerrMurf

[Y-29.Silky]

Gahl darnit, Jason! Where are you? Can you please elaborate on this?

[voncrapenhauser]

All we know so far is the games can be bought as stand alone or merged.

 

Will the merged part be cheaper? I have my doubts.

I would personally be happier if it was.

Edited May 16, 2015 by voncrapenhauser

[Skeptical_Bunny]

I'm just trying to point out that it would actually be better it it was based on expansions that are tied to the original game, than it is with stand alone games that are compatible with each other. As I have said before.. The game as it is now has a lot of issues, if they had based it on expansions that are tied to the original game, then I'm pretty sure they would put more work in making the original game better by tackling the problems with that players point out to them, simply because it would be in their best interest to keep it working well and be of good quality. The way they are going only make the game as a whole of poor quality, because they do not put enough work into it before they move on to the next project.

 

There's another thing about this game that I find silly.. The Premium planes.. There's just too few planes in the game for that. 3 fighters(1 on each side being a premium plane), 1 dive bomber on each side, Russia have the IL2 ground attack aircraft and Germany have the He 111 bomber. The Pe 2 is more of a fighter bomber, than a bomber. The premium planes ruin the picture here. The La 5 and FW 190 should rather have been awarded to players for finishing the campaign and the premium account should rather have been something you could buy to skip the grinding for unlocks. Meaning.. with premium account you unlock everything on the planes and you unlock all the planes, but the medals and badges you would have to gain by playing.

[Skeptical_Bunny]

Oh.. I see my thread got moved to Suggestions.

[Bearcat]

Yes.. Let's keep prostitutes out of this, this has nothing to do with that at all, but rather the point I'm trying to make here..

 

Instead of making expansions for the existing game they choose make a new stand alone game, a stand alone game that is no more than an expansion for the existing game and they have us pay full game price for it. I for one wont be putting money in their pockets for BoS for the simple reason that it's not a new game, it's an overpriced expansion of the existing one. I wont pay full game price for something that only give me a few new maps and planes... That's not a new game.. A new game shouldn't be compatible with the existing one, that's the purpose of an expansion, not a new stand alone game.

 

I came from War Thunder to this game.. I haven't played this game so much and it isn't long since I bought it but.. I do like it and so I bought two more versions of it to give to two of my friends that also like air combat games. It is far better than War Thunder on several things, things like DM and FM, graphic, effects, but War Thunder does hold something over this game.. That is the expansion, the game being built upon and expanded with the adding of new maps and planes. Yes, War Thunder is a much bigger game than this, it has a LOT more planes, but it wasn't much bigger at the start. By going the way they are going with IL2 Battle of Stalingrad and Battle of Moscow they are expanding the game, but only for those willing to pay full game price for both games and the newest one being nothing more than an expansion of Battle of Stalingrad. For people owning Battle of Moscow to be able to play with people that owns Battle of Stalingrad they have to own both games, and vise versa for those owning Battle of Stalingrad. Expanding the original game with expansion packages that doesn't sell at full game prices, but at a lower price than the original game is a far better way to evolve the game. It expands the game and the player experience.

 

From what I have understood.. The campaign in BoM is worse than the one in BoS, which is really bad. It's a watered down, every mission is generated randomly from a premade set of missions. It gives the game a stale and cheap aftertaste. The game has an online multiplayer option that is nice, I have nothing to say on the multiplayer server part of the game, but being an online game with a campaign and single mission option it lack one thing.. The ability for friends to play the campaign and the single missions together in a co-op mode.

 

Despite all the negative things I've just said about the game and my views on how they should have done the expansion of it.. I do like the game and I will continue to play it as long as there are players enough to have fun playing it online. It does look good in many ways, it has far better damage and flight models than War Thunder, it could use better graphic option and certainly more sound options, the control options could use a bit of a cleanup, it could use better compatibility with the different joysticks on the market. But.. I doubt I would spend money on BoM when it is released, because it's an expansion that sells for full game price. To put it in short.. New players wanting to play the game will of course buy the latest expansion to the game, and since it's a stand alone game, they do not need the others and because of this many wont bother buying the others and so there will be less new players playing with those that doesn't have the latest expansion. That is what bothers me with the developers way of pulling of the game expansion.

 

 

Both me and my friends feel the same way, BoS had barely been on the official market for more than 6 months before BoM was announced.

 

I do understand that the developers want to make money on the game and I respect that, but.. IMHO they are going at it in the wrong way. Let's say this goes a bit further and there they release the fourth in the series. It is a stand alone game and fully compatible with it's predecessors, people that are new to the game series wont bother buying the previous three games, because.. What's the point.. Every one will be playing the new one anyway and so the game doesn't really expand and become bigger with more options, no it stays the same unless you buy all of them. Players can simply choose to buy only the last one. But.. If it's based on expansions you get the original game and a series of expansion packages that wont work on their own. A player then have to buy the original game and then can choose to buy the expansions that he/she want and at a lower price than they would have to pay with how it's being done now. The developers would actually make more money off of the game that way, because more people would choose to buy the expansions and because there would be less work for the developers to do in making the expansions. And the game would actually be better because of it because there would be more maps and more planes and this gives the game more versatility. 

 

I'm just trying to point out that it would actually be better it it was based on expansions that are tied to the original game, than it is with stand alone games that are compatible with each other. As I have said before.. The game as it is now has a lot of issues, if they had based it on expansions that are tied to the original game, then I'm pretty sure they would put more work in making the original game better by tackling the problems with that players point out to them, simply because it would be in their best interest to keep it working well and be of good quality. The way they are going only make the game as a whole of poor quality, because they do not put enough work into it before they move on to the next project.

 

There's another thing about this game that I find silly.. The Premium planes.. There's just too few planes in the game for that. 3 fighters(1 on each side being a premium plane), 1 dive bomber on each side, Russia have the IL2 ground attack aircraft and Germany have the He 111 bomber. The Pe 2 is more of a fighter bomber, than a bomber. The premium planes ruin the picture here. The La 5 and FW 190 should rather have been awarded to players for finishing the campaign and the premium account should rather have been something you could buy to skip the grinding for unlocks. Meaning.. with premium account you unlock everything on the planes and you unlock all the planes, but the medals and badges you would have to gain by playing.

 

 

I don't see the problem. I think that some of us are looking at this the wrong way. The way I see it there are three.. count 'em .. three fully developer supported combat flight sims on the market at the moment. Out of those three... One, DCS..  is a modern era CFS with WWII content...  Very well done .. but the WWII content is limited for now. Then there is RoF ... a good product.. but a WWI sim... if WWI is not your thing .. then RoF does little for you... Then there is BoS. If WWII is your thing then BoS is the only developer supported dedicated WWII sim horse in the race...  and even when DCS does finally go to WWII in earnest there will still only be two dedicated developer supported WWII sims on the market. When I look at all three of the sims in question none of them have the traditional business model... and for the sake of comparison the only two that we really can compare are DCS and NIL2. I say NIL2 .. because I don't see BoS and BoM as two separate products but as one product that can be used in three ways once BoM is released.. No some have said that they feel that the price for BoM is too high.. but if you compare the two sims (for the sake of this discussion I am only comparing DCS and this sim for the reasons stated above..) I think their business models are comparable and for me I think you get more bang for the buck with BoS.

 

Some have said that they see BoM as an expansion being priced as a new game when it isn't but I don't see it that way.. The way I see it.. if you take out the variants on existing aircraft and just for debate's sake add those four aircraft as free content...  you are still, if you buy BoM now paying for six new aircraft and at least one new map that we know of... If you do the math that comes down to $13 give or take a few cents for each aircraft...  BoS Premium comes down to $10 per aircraft ... When it is on sale that is $5 per. That is not a high price when you consider that to buy into DCS at the non sale price you will be paying $80-$100 for any two aircraft.. and one map. Granted the DCS aircraft are modeled to a higher degree... but given the way the NIL2 aircraft are modeled.. it is not a long stretch in difference. I don't understand why anyone would not want to buy BoM premium unless they just were not happy with BoS .. I see people who complain about the prices of this sim and it's components.. and then when a sale comes along they pass on it... and then continue to complain about the price when it goes back up. It is what it is and we all have a choice to either buy it or not.. but to expect the devs of this sim to market it in a way that will not allow them to reap a financial reward from their efforts is ... silly to me. As for the campaign in BoM.. we can speculate.. but no one really none of us know what it will be like. The fact that it won't be done until Q1 2016 at least says to me that perhaps they will put more into it given the reception of the one in BoS.

 

We do not know fully yet how the content will be worked..  consider that the RopF model has changed over the 6 years of it's lifespan. It will probably, and this is just sheer speculation on my part, be that if you don't have the map or the planes in the mission you won't be able to fly it period. Now who knows.. perhaps in the future they will change their business model as more content becomes available.. but for now we need to remember that for us this is a hobby but for these folks it is a business and their livelihoods.. and I don't mean to sound condescending so if it comes off that way I apologize.. I imagine that when BoM is finally released, or even when the EA starts BoS will go on sale yet again ... The team has made every effort to make this content available to any who would be willing to partake in it... There have been several sales since October... and there will probably be another one soon if you consider the information on the chart on this page as far as a rough timeline goes.

 

 

There is a LOT of SUPPOSITION here about compatibility and how the games will interact with each other. All we know so far is the games can be bought as stand alone or merged. How that works and how that affects MP is completely unknown. I think we should all just cool our heels a little bit and see how it pans out or how the Dev's announce it will work. I suspect they have a plan. Whether it is a good plan or not , we simply do not know yet and it is hardly worth arguing or soapboxing about. There will be plenty of time for that after they announce...............and there will be argument regardless of how they do it, of course, because it's what we do as flight simmers.

 

 

Or, you know, run around with your hair on fire because that seems healthy too.

 

+1

 

Consider that BoM aircraft will be made available before the map.. so that sounds like it will be flyable on BoS maps.. provided you have BoS.

[LeLv8_Otto]

Before I put my money on this, it would be nice to know how it works in multiplayer when there are BOS, BOM and merged players around. Additionally for me & my mates there are couple features, which from our point of view need to be solved before the game can evolve into enjoyable MP combat sim like old IL-2 was:

 

* Dserver player limit pushed at least into 64, preferably into 100+ simultaneous players

* Some weird FM & DM issues as described in this thread http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/15470-yak-1-flaps-down-arcadish-behaviour/

 

After solving those, especially MP player limit, I am sure community will be able to create ADW & MOW style online campaigns what we are interested in.

 

At the moment playing on DF servers is fun for a while, but the interest for airquake won't last long ...

[Skeptical_Bunny]

Consider that BoM aircraft will be made available before the map.. so that sounds like it will be flyable on BoS maps.. provided you have BoS

 

 

You mean provided you have both BoS and BoM, I doubt they will update BoS with planes from BoM when BoM is released, or right before it's release. What would be the point of BoM then, other than a few extra maps.

 

I will never pay $80 for a game, no game is worth that much and certainly not one that look to be made as if they were in a hurry to get it done so they could start on the next one.

Edited May 21, 2015 by Skeptical_Bunny

[Skeptical_Bunny]

But... Since this now have ended up in suggestions, then I'd like to form it as such..

 

I'd like to suggest that you instead of making BoM a stand alone game that is compatible with the current one, you make it an expansion where you need the current game to be able to run it and instead focus your work on making the current game better. Better settings, make the controls better so that JS functions, such as a slider, or a roller can be used to control things like flaps and trims. Make it more compatible with the verious types of JS available, like mine.. I have the MadCatz FLY 5 and I can't use the shift key on it as a shift key in game. Also put more work into the campaigns, make it possible for players to get upgrade XP on their planes not only from missions and campaigns, but also from multiplayer battles.

[Bearcat]

You mean provided you have both BoS and BoM, I doubt they will update BoS with planes from BoM when BoM is released, or right before it's release. What would be the point of BoM then, other than a few extra maps.

I will never pay $80 for a game, no game is worth that much and certainly not one that look to be made as if they were in a hurry to get it done so they could start on the next one.

 

Well... yeah.. of course they would be available if you had BoS..  since I am talking about EA... You can't fly EA of BoM aircraft without a BoM map ...

Worth is very subjective ....  Look at some of these  XBox 1 titles or PS4 titles or other PC titles . In my opinion $80 is not a stretch from $60... and BoS P on sale is less than many of those titles..  so .. just to put it into perspective. I dropped full pre order pricfe for both BoS and BoM and I in no way feel that I was ripped off. I could have waited.. I would have loved to get BoS P for $50 as opposed to $90 but I chose not to. We all have choices to make.. but to continue to suggest that BoS .. or BoM for that matter is overpriced

 

But... Since this now have ended up in suggestions, then I'd like to form it as such..

 

I'd like to suggest that you instead of making BoM a stand alone game that is compatible with the current one, you make it an expansion where you need the current game to be able to run it and instead focus your work on making the current game better. Better settings, make the controls better so that JS functions, such as a slider, or a roller can be used to control things like flaps and trims. Make it more compatible with the verious types of JS available, like mine.. I have the MadCatz FLY 5 and I can't use the shift key on it as a shift key in game. Also put more work into the campaigns, make it possible for players to get upgrade XP on their planes not only from missions and campaigns, but also from multiplayer battles.

 

First off.. that is not my call.. I just moderate these forums. Secondly I agree with much of what you have suggested... but some of that may never change although IMO the model for BoM .. as a standalone that can  be merged ius IMO the best path to take particularly given some of the drama surrounding BoS.

[SYN_Mike77]

I think one of the problems with making BoM an add on to BoS is that you would limit your customer base to only those who have already bought BoS.  I would bet that the devs are hoping for a few new customers.  The way I understand what they have written is that it is going to play like an add on for those who bought BoS previously, and as a standalone game for those who haven't.

[Bearcat]

Yes.. and i think  that they are banking on those who buy into BoM being willing to buy into BoS at the sale price.. Eventually the dominant version will be the merged version..

[SYN_Mike77]

Sort of like RoF and IM?

[Dakpilot]

Surely even without inflation the original IL-2 prices were not so cheap...and BoS /Bom is quite similar to IL-2---Forgoten Battles----Pacific fighters  which were standalone/merged or am I not remembering correctly?

 

Cheers Dakpilot