He 111; What am I missing?

[wado1942]

Hello all. I'm tryingout the He 111 H6 and am having difficulty.  It seems like I can't push the engines beyond 55% thrust for any length of time or they'll destory themselves.  The bigger problem is that I can't stay in the air on 55% thrust.  With a 20% fuel load, flaps and gear retracted, I just don't have any speed.  I can't possibly believe that bomber could be so badly designed, so what am I missing?

[Jade_Monkey]

You need to use max throttle AND also max rpm for takeoff.

After a minute at max, pull the throttle back just under the red line on the gauges and drop the rpm below 2500 (probably 2350). You should be able to climb at that setting for a while.

Also remember to open the radiators after takeoff to avoid overheating.

 

Hopefully that helps a bit.

 

Someone can probably give you more precise guidance but this is roughly a starting point.

[No601_Swallow]

My own general rule of thumb is that if you have all four of the important engine gauges (manifold pressure (ATA?) and RPM for both engines) pointing at 12 O'Clock, you can't go wrong. It works for me! As always, though, Chuck's Guides are your friend!

 

The other thing I find, is that visually, it's hard to keep your nose on the horizon, because it feels you're pointing down. But again, the gauges should be your main point of reference. It takes a long long long time to get up speed and to climb up to altitude. Again, sticking to the figures in Chuck's Guide for climbing, etc, really help.

 

Mostly though, you probably just need patience. But the Heinkel is great great fun - at the risk of sounding obvious, Veteran66's missions for the Heinkel over the Chir Front are just great! Once you get the hang of the bombsight and can deal death with pinpoint accuracy from 4000m (like I do in my dreams), you ARE Zeus, come to SMITE the unbeliever...!

 

Edit: don't forget to open the coolers/engine flaps/etc. Especially for take off and in the climb. Once you're up there you can lower the nose, trim out, close rads a bit, etc.

Double Edit: just repeating CBZ's very good points!

Edited May 14, 2015 by No601_Swallow

[Jade_Monkey]

Also, the trim helps a lot with the climb because it's constantly pulling you down.

[wado1942]

Thanks for the pointers guys!  I did have my radiators open, so no problem there.  I've only been playing with BoS for a couple of days, so anything helps.  BTW, who's Chuck and where are his guides?

 

P.S. how am I supposed to know where I'm going with most game maps not allowing me to use a navigation map?  I'm so used to Rise of Flight where I always have access to the map.

Thanks again.

Edited May 15, 2015 by wado1942

[LukeFF]

Pressing the O key will bring up the proper in-flight map. 

 

And to add to the advice above about the He 111's engines - these are its operating limits (the info is straight from the programmers):

 

1.42 ata and 2600 rpm for no more than half a minute (takeoff power)

1.3 ata and 2400 rpm for 30 continuous minutes (climb power)

1.15 ata and 2250 rpm for max continuous power 

 

The same settings also apply to the Ju 87. 

Edited May 15, 2015 by LukeFF

[SCG_Tzigy]

Chuck is da king.

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/10268-chucks-aircraft-guide/

[BlackDevil]

Question about the aim helper in normal mode: Shouldn't it get to the black crosshair, if all settings in the bombsight are correct ?

 

If not, where will the bombs hit ?

[Finkeren]

Question about the aim helper in normal mode: Shouldn't it get to the black crosshair, if all settings in the bombsight are correct ?

 

If not, where will the bombs hit ?

Yes, it should.

[Y-29.Silky]

Yes, your rpms are too low.

 

Anyways, it took me like 30 minutes to climb to 3000m with a full payload (only to instantly fall victim to a Yak, thank you modern radar at airfields.)

[Scojo]

This thread is very helpful. It appears I have been leaving out opening up radiators. After I top trees, I have to drop back to 50% throttle while at 100% RPM in order to keep from overheating, but at that throttle, the plane slows down dramatically and I fall like a poorly made paper plane.

 

My takeoff sequence now looks like this:

Engine RPM: 100%
Automatic Engines start

50% throttle to begin moving, dropping back to 30-40% for taxy

Use wheel brakes to maneuver plane to runway

Flaps 15%

Throttle 100% using rudder to stay on runway

Lift off at ~200km/h

Gear up

 

Now I just need to add open up radiators to that sequence. Should I add it right after liftoff or can I do that as I throttle up for takeoff?

 

Also, at what point should I retract my flaps? At what point should I drop my engine RPM and to what percentage should I drop it?

 

I know that for the He 111, the pitch control is automatic in relation to engine RPM. So does that mean I should change my RPM according to what kind of maneuvers I'm doing? Where can I find info on what engine RPM to use when?
 

Edited December 13, 2016 by Scojo

[Roo5ter]

The HE111 can cruise great around 65% throttle 65% rpm.  If you are gassing it to 55% and leaving the RPM at 100% your engine is going to be spun up and die on you.  I think that sounds exactly like what you have going on here.

Also on takeoff as soon as Im in the air and over trees I slowly roll back my rpm and then throttle to get into climb AND THEN move the flaps back from about 20-30% to 0.  Those engines are not stout by any means so protect them or the yak's won't have anything to set on fire.

[LukeFF]

 

 

At what point should I drop my engine RPM and to what percentage should I drop it?

 

It's best to just learn the proper RPM values instead of relying on percentage values. If you bring up the map with the O key, you'll see a Specification tab that lists the plane's engine RPM and manifold pressure limits. 

[Roo5ter]

For a new player, I would suggest using percentages and then learning over time one plane at a time in a more detailed manner.  There are so many and they are all so different.  

[Nil]

Do not go beyond 74% Power AND 74% Pitch for cruising.

Whatch for overheat

With the tips (to be enabled in option menu) it is very easy .

[Scojo]

The HE111 can cruise great around 65% throttle 65% rpm.  If you are gassing it to 55% and leaving the RPM at 100% your engine is going to be spun up and die on you.  I think that sounds exactly like what you have going on here.

 

Also on takeoff as soon as Im in the air and over trees I slowly roll back my rpm and then throttle to get into climb AND THEN move the flaps back from about 20-30% to 0.  Those engines are not stout by any means so protect them or the yak's won't have anything to set on fire.

You're at 30% flaps for takeoff?

 

It's best to just learn the proper RPM values instead of relying on percentage values. If you bring up the map with the O key, you'll see a Specification tab that lists the plane's engine RPM and manifold pressure limits. 

I just saw a table for RPM values elsewhere. I'll have to do that. I guess I'll also have to brush up on my German or commit to memory the location of the various gauges

 

For a new player, I would suggest using percentages and then learning over time one plane at a time in a more detailed manner.  There are so many and they are all so different.  

For now, I'm going to stick with the He 111. Once I get landing and takeoff down, I'll start trying to perform an actual role on MP servers. As of right now I think a bomber is a good start since it doesn't involve too much maneuvering and I have some kind of chance to defend myself with guns. Hopefully I can convince some Gung ho fighters to escort me some once I get more into multiplayer

 

Thanks so much for all the help, everyone!

Edited December 13, 2016 by Scojo

[JG13_opcode]

I just saw a table for RPM values elsewhere. I'll have to do that. I guess I'll also have to brush up on my German or commit to memory the location of the various gauges

RPM on German gauges is usually "U/min", and manifold pressure is given in Technical Atmospheres, or ATA.

[Scojo]

RPM on German gauges is usually "U/min", and manifold pressure is given in Technical Atmospheres, or ATA.

Much appreciated. I was really scratching my head over ATA lol

[Scojo]

Thanks again guys! Just had a successful takeoff and flight to target on the WOL server (lost all my He 111s the other day on TAW).

 

I actually just bound my engine RPM to my throttle and now I don't seem to have to worry about that at all.

 

I also landed on my first ever landing attempt!

 

Now I just need to figure out how to use the bomb sight correctly. I completely overshot with my ordnance. After that, multiplayer will be a blast!

[Nil]

I actually just bound my engine RPM to my throttle and now I don't seem to have to worry about that at all.

 

I also landed on my first ever landing attempt!

That is a very good idea! I never thought about that and this is very useful,

Thanks to this wonderful feature we have on this sim: bound several command on one single key 

Wow! thank you for this nice idea!

[Scojo]

That is a very good idea! I never thought about that and this is very useful,

Thanks to this wonderful feature we have on this sim: bound several command on one single key 

Wow! thank you for this nice idea!

Oh wow, I helped someone? Nice lol. Glad I could be of service. I actually got that idea from a video on youtube. I noticed the guy's throttle and RPM were changing together so I figured that was what he did.

 

A weird thing to note. On the Stuka engine RPM % and Throttle % are 1 to 1 when bound together... On the He 111 it's about 0.75 to 1. Idk if the game is doing that, or I have messed something up... However, both ratios work well for their respective plane, so I won't be trying to change it.

[hames123]

Cool, nice to see a German bomber pilot, I prefer Stukas over the He111, but sometimes fly it.