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[GhostLine06]

Guys, if you insist on luscious-looking maps like in WT then they will also be as small as in WT. You can't have your cake and eat it, there are constraints in the real world.

 

I do not want to seem to be in any way attacking you here Freycinet, but I don't see how anyone could consider WT's maps as "luscious-looking" in comparison to BoS. Maybe WT has more maps where a number of them take place in different seasons, but nothing about WT's maps stand out to me over BoS. In fact just the other day I attempted to "unwind" by playing some arcade Sim Battles in WT and I ended up on the Operation Uranus map. The map is Stalingrad in winter and I commented in game on how it felt so much worse to me then BoS. It just didn't feel as "alive" even in a 7v7 game.

 

I will admit that WT got me back into simming over the past 2 years, basically until WT I had forgotten how much I enjoyed WWII era flying specifically and really flight sims in general. I still play SB WT because it is quick, convenient, and thoughtless. But its (persistent) issues, especially in sim battles, make the game so frustrating that I am more then happy to drop "serious" money on a game of quality vs playing a F2P game that simply focuses on quantity. WT got me to buy my simming gear as I climbed my way up from playing mouse aim arcade battles (and quickly getting bored), to mouse aim "realistic battles" (and quickly getting bored) to mouse aim "simulator battles", where I will still play from time to time but the issues (like the continuing problem of AB/RB bomber/gunship spam in SB mode) just make me feel like I wasted money on "professional level" gear for a "consumer level" project at best.

 

And WT might have nice graphics for what it is, but with the horrible spotting system the game uses I have had to modify my graphic settings in such a way that in game it really doesn't matter at all.

 

But WT does offer players with variety and a feeling of accomplishment all of which are designed to benefit a company that uses the F2P model for game design. It is also primarily focused on being accessible to the largest number of people as possible. And I think that is the issue with the low popularity of true sims these days. People today do not want to have to "work" for their entertainment, they want everything handed to them ready to go out of the gate. PC gamers in general and simmers in particular seem to be a rare breed of tinkerers and tweakers in a time where everything electronics related seems to require being dumbed down before the majority of people even consider using it.

 

Anyway I love BoS, DCS, CloD, and RoF even if I don't get to play them as often as I would like to. And I look forward to BoM.

Edited May 19, 2015 by GhostLine06

[APIKalimba]

We may never see those numbers again.... I don't think there are that many simmers now.. Consider that back in the day when we had those kinds of numbers nightly on HL over a period of several years here were still people flying in CFS, Warbirds , Aces High and Fighter Ace as well...  I don't know if the other sims are still active .. but from what I see it is IL2, IL2II,CoD,DCS and WT... and that is pretty much it for online simming..

 

 

 

If you say that  CFS, Warbirds, Aces High and Fighter Ace were actually "simmulators", I would say that lots of your missing simmers  are actually  playing WT. The numbers are there.... By definition, IL2 BOS is a hardcore simulator. Those 4 you mentionned were not. So many  "softcore "simmers found a very adequate balance within WT with all its selectable options, and top graphic qualities. Like you said, there aint many choices available out there...  

Edited May 19, 2015 by APIKalimba

[Primus_71]

Not aimed at you prim , but i Dont think so , DCS servers are always busy and so is Clod ,lets not  make excuses up for the lack of content and poor online community we have here  . Most have fled..............time for me to  face facts .

 

I'm on GMT+2 and honestly, I don't remember seeing more than 5-6 folks between 20:00 - 24:00 on any individual DCS server that have WW2 birds (which are very few actually) over the past few months.

 

My observation is, BoS multiplayer following is far stronger at this time than the other higher fidelity sims (i.e. CoD and DCS WW2). 

Edited May 20, 2015 by [-]Primus_71

[6./ZG26_Custard]

Not aimed at you prim , but i Dont think so , DCS servers are always busy and so is Clod ,lets not  make excuses up for the lack of content and poor online community we have here  . Most have fled..............time for me to  face facts .

Not aimed at you either Con but they are aren't  always busy, the photos below were from last week and it's a similar story across the board. Clod and Bos have very similar online numbers. When SOW events etc are not running it tends to have less than Bos. 

 

Checking the steam chart below for this week, Dota 2 still blows everything else out of the water and WT is down in 16th place. I have played WT and I am just not a fan at all, yes it has lots of players but it is not a serious sim and although many may not agree I don't think it's a sim at all.

 

I have seen on this forum that someone has said they are not prepared to pay $99 for BoM but have paid out $800 on WT, it is of course their money and their choice. It is like world of tanks, world of warships etc., Pay to win arcade slugfests, that is what a large proportion of players seem to want, which in my view is a real shame. 

 

The cold hard truth is that Bos Clod and DCS are not getting anywhere near the numbers on multiplayer.  That is why we are seeing entire threads on this forum filled with comments and video devoted to Clod telling us how "wonderful" it is, because they don't have serious numbers either.

 

 

I have been flying in Bos on TS and working as a team in recent weeks and I have to say, I really haven't had as much fun in years.

 

Regards

 

Custard

Edited May 20, 2015 by JG5_Custard

[KoN_]

I fly campaigns with 80+ people at the weekends with a moving ground war and pilot stats there are plenty of people flying still ,  you are all missing the point here .!!!

I can log on anytime into clod or DCS  and find 30+ players in just one server , thats my night of flying . I mean i will spend hours in a server and guess what the next night will be the same , just watch the videos on youtube of squadrons flying together on one server .

Now if i log into BOS i find 10 people on expert server and trust me thats a lot ,  not the arcade wings of liberty i dont count air quake no offence ,but within ten minits of play nearly everyone has left . Now why is that ,

There is nothing keeping people to stay . link below shows all the people interested in this sim ..i dont see them here ...!!! time to face facts .

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/forum/17-virtual-squadrons/

You have big problems here . ..............

I log in...................

I log off ..................

Thats  BOS . as it stands today .

why would i invest into BOM when the state of play is so low . i could by two star citizen ships for the price your asking .

You should of listened to your hardcore crowd and made it the sim everyone wanted . Instead you dropped the ball two weeks before release . then you rub salt into the wounds by releasing a 500 rouble russain version with two aircraft . NOW come on ............ :o:

You then drop online players from 64 down to 34 and back up to 48 after all the complaints .By that time people are getting frustrated... The unlocks are here to stay ..grind your way through so you can fly online with full weapons ....its mad ... :o: ......What the hell are you guys playing at .............??

Can the game handle 64 players with a ground war and smoke effects and large formations  ......?? and even if it could will the crowd come back . thats the big question .

[Primus_71]

 

 

I fly campaigns with 80+ people at the weekends with a moving ground war and pilot stats there are plenty of people flying still ,  you are all missing the point here .!!! I can log on anytime into clod or DCS  and find 30+ players in just one server , thats my night of flying . I mean i will spend hours in a server and guess what the next night will be the same , just watch the videos on youtube of squadrons flying together on one server .

 

Don't take this the wrong way, but if you're having such a great time with those other sims, and despise many aspects of BoS, why not just move on, instead of wasting your time and breath here? 

[6./ZG26_Emil]

I can see where Con is coming from. Out of the servers that were populated 2 weeks ago DED was better imho and less airquakey but numbers have dropped and people have gravitated to WOL. I also think he is probably right than people don't bother logging in to empty servers to be the first one to seed it and that is something we're going to do more. We joined TWB last night which had low numbers but once we joined more people came in.

 

Some of us have been calling for an in game lobby a bit like HL. Personally I think that people might be more encouraged if they could see the real numbers of people online rather than just the numbers in a server, maybe if we could chat we could rally the troops to fill other servers? 

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/16369-game-lobby/?do=findComment&comment=260476

[6./ZG26_Custard]

you are all missing the point here .!!!

I'm certainly not missing the point at all, if you check the online numbers daily, which is what I do they are almost identical and unless Clod has an "event" or squadron weekend then the numbers tend to be slightly less on clod.

 

 

 

why would i invest into BOM when the state of play is so low . i could by two star citizen ships for the price your asking .

Yep you could, but lets be honest, we still haven't got a very playable game when it comes to star citizen which has had well over $75 million dollars worth of player investment with currently little to show for the vast amount put into it.

 

 

 

You should of listened to your hardcore crowd and made it the sim everyone wanted

 

I remember a very similar thing happened in Clod when it was first released, where the Devs tried to listened to what everyone wanted and tried to incorporate it into the sim and look what happened there they went belly up. It has taken "years" to get it anywhere near the level of what it should have been on  initial release. 

 

Even after all the mod patches its far from perfect, with questionable samey FM's for all the aircraft and far too easy take-offs and landings to awful AI. Before Bos was released it was one of the few serious WWII flight sims available. They have now become the direct competition to each other. In my opinion the FM, DM and certain aspects of the graphics in Bos blow Clod out of the water, I know many will not agree with that but I'm entitled to my opinion like everyone is.

 

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Edited May 20, 2015 by Bearcat
What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas...

[Bearcat]

I'm certainly not missing the point at all, if you check the online numbers daily, which is what I do they are almost identical and unless Clod has an "event" or squadron weekend then the numbers tend to be slightly less on clod.

 

Yep you could, but lets be honest, we still haven't got a very playable game when it comes to star citizen which has had well over $75 million dollars worth of player investment with currently little to show for the vast amount put into it.

 

I remember a very similar thing happened in Clod when it was first released, where the Devs tried to listened to what everyone wanted and tried to incorporate it into the sim and look what happened there they went belly up. It has taken "years" to get it anywhere near the level of what it should have been on  initial release. 

 

Even after all the mod patches its far from perfect, with questionable samey FM's for all the aircraft and far too easy take-offs and landings to awful AI. Before Bos was released it was one of the few serious WWII flight sims available. They have now become the direct competition to each other. In my opinion the FM, DM and certain aspects of the graphics in Bos blow Clod out of the water, I know many will not agree with that but I'm entitled to my opinion like everyone is.

 

I agree with much of this..

 

 

Back in the day I'd walk through a Best Buy or a Comp USA and the only brand of flight stick I didn't see was CH Products. Heck, there was literally a full aisle dedicated to the display of sticks, never mind inventory. Now I'm lucky to see a Logitec Cheapo-rama stick. So I do have to believe that there is some credence that flight simming just isn't as popular as it used to be.

 

So true...  You had several sticks of MS, Logitech, Saitek.. and usually a few generics as well toi choose from. I finally took the plunge (It was something I always wanted to do but was too preoccupied with other stuff) into the CFS world when walking through a best Buy in 2001 and seeing a copy of CFS1 running on a PC with a MSFFB joystick hooked up to it. It caught my eye.. I fiddled with it.. then about a month later 9/11 went down.. When I heard that the terrorists used MSFS to practice on.. I went to BB and bought MSFS .. and a Logitech stick.. and CFS 1... and that was it for me. I booted up CFS 1 and did not look back.. then about a 10 months later I bought IL2 and that was that...

[KoN_]

Thank God for the internet thats all i can say , now i buy from the comfort of my own home with tea in hand . but yet i did enjoy waliking around the pcworld looking at all the hardware .