DD today? next patch?

[ST_ami7b5]

OK, so MiG-3 from earlier DD

Definitely worth watching again

 

Don't forget to switch on English subtitles...

Edited May 16, 2015 by Ami7b5

[Danziger]

I watched that a few times in the early days of BoS. I was always hoping they would add this somewhere and I told myself as soon as I saw them do the MiG-3 they would have my money lol.

[ST_ami7b5]

I watched that a few times in the early days of BoS. I was always hoping they would add this somewhere and I told myself as soon as I saw them do the MiG-3 they would have my money lol.

So, where is your BoM tag?

Edited May 16, 2015 by Ami7b5

[Danziger]

Still haven't seen any MiG-3 progress pics

Edited May 16, 2015 by possumkiller

[novicebutdeadly]

I loved to take the Mig 3 with 2 shvaks, with a steady hand it could give the 109 a surprise in turning fights and the 2 20mm hitted hard!

The am38 version was fast and nimble, an Emil killer. 

From what I have read a single AM38 Mig 3 was made, and 2 operation mig 3 were re-engined.

 

"This aircraft (in the photo) is the only MiG-3 fitted with the AM-38 engine in factory in August 1941. This engine gave higher power but less altitude capability than the AM-35A. The aircraft had a significant improvement in its low-altitude performance, and outclassed even the Bf-109F. The trials showed the necessity to redesign the oil and water radiators because of the higher heat generation of the new engine, and as well, the Il-2 program was prioritary for the use of the AM-38 engine. Because of these factors, the program was halted. 

A pair of other MiG-3s were re-engined in such  way in operative units."

 

 

Also:

 

"To improve the low-level performance of the MiG-3, one aircraft was tested with the AM-38 engine used by the Il-2 in July 1941. It proved to be 14 km/h (8.7 mph) faster than the normal MiG-3 at sea level and was more maneuverable as well. It was recommended for production after passing its State acceptance trials in September, provided that a cure for the engine's tendency to overheat in ambient temperatures above 16 °C (61 °F) was found. However the sole prototype was shot down on 5 October during flight tests and it was decided not to proceed with the idea as all AM-38 production was allocated to the Il-2. Ironically, later in the war, about 80 MiG-3s were reengined with AM-38s to make them airworthy again. Many of these were rearmed with two 20 mm ShVAK cannon as well"

 

So in short if the Russians get the Am-38 version in the BOM release the Germans should get the He100 (That's a fair trade   )

 

 

[Danziger]

I doubt we would get the version with AM-38. I'm hoping we get the early version that can be upgraded through the unlocks.

[LukeFF]

 

 

From what I have read a single AM38 Mig 3 was made, and 2 operation mig 3 were re-engined.

 

That totally then conflicts with the text that you cite. 

[Danziger]

 

Also@ Shamrock, Aviaskins has made a new 3d model with a new cockpit as well for 1946. You can find both on the Aviaskins forum or the SAS forum.

[novicebutdeadly]

That totally then conflicts with the text that you cite. 

Sorry I will clarify to avoid confusion:  

 

in 1941 A single Mig 3 had an AM-38 engine fitted from factory as a prototype (this plane was at some point shot down).

 

Only 2 standard Mig 3's were converted (in the field) early in the war.

 

 

Later in the war (no time period given but I would say well after 1941) 80 mig 3's had their original engine replaced by the AM-38 to make them airworthy again (more than likely due to lack of spares and replacement engines for the orginial AM-35's).

 

 

My argument being that if the Russians are going to get the Mig 3 with an AM-38 (either as standard or "unlockable") based on a max of 3 being in existance in the BOM time frame (and not even in production but as prototypes/experiement), than the German's should also get a low production aircraft (although the mig 3 AM-38 wasn't even a production aircraft) that was also in existence during that time frame (or maybe the BF 109F3 if someone can tell me when that first flew).

Edited May 17, 2015 by novicebutdeadly

[LukeFF]

I fail to see the point of adding the He 100 as some sort of a counterpoint to a AM-38-powered MiG-3, as the former never served with the Luftwaffe in a front line combat unit. Same deal with the Bf 109 F-3 - only about 15 of those were ever built. 

 

As it is, there probably won't even be an AM-38 variant in BoM, so this whole discussion is pretty much moot anyways. The way I see things, these will likely be the unlocks for the MiG-3:

• 2 x ShVAK cannons
• 2 x UBS machine guns
• 2 x UBK gunpods
• ROS-82 rockets
• 50 & 100 kg bomb loadouts 

[Finkeren]

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The way I see things, these will likely be the unlocks for the MiG-3:

• 2 x ShVAK cannons
• 2 x UBS machine guns
• 2 x UBK gunpods
• ROS-82 rockets
• 50 & 100 kg bomb loadouts

Don't forget:

• Armoured glass plate behind windscreen.
• Deleted ventral fuel tank.
• Automatic slats.
• Differently geared high altitude propeller.

[novicebutdeadly]

Don't forget:

• Armoured glass plate behind windscreen.
• Deleted ventral fuel tank.
• Automatic slats.
• Differently geared high altitude propeller.

 

 

 

I fail to see the point of adding the He 100 as some sort of a counterpoint to a AM-38-powered MiG-3, as the former never served with the Luftwaffe in a front line combat unit. Same deal with the Bf 109 F-3 - only about 15 of those were ever built. 

 

As it is, there probably won't even be an AM-38 variant in BoM, so this whole discussion is pretty much moot anyways. The way I see things, these will likely be the unlocks for the MiG-3:

• 2 x ShVAK cannons
• 2 x UBS machine guns
• 2 x UBK gunpods
• ROS-82 rockets
• 50 & 100 kg bomb loadouts 

 

Perhaps if the Mig3 is crossed into BOS it will have the Shvak canon option, but so far I have not being able to find anything that puts those guns in that plane during the BOM time period.

 

Do you know if the viscous stall characteristics were sorted out?

[Finkeren]

Perhaps if the Mig3 is crossed into BOS it will have the Shvak canon option, but so far I have not being able to find anything that puts those guns in that plane during the BOM time period.

Both 2xUBS and 2xShVAK were in production from late autumn 1941 (the latter in small numbers, the former in somewhat more significant numbers) so both would fit.

 

Do you know if the viscous stall characteristics were sorted out?

Yes they were - at least in part.

 

The first major change in the MiG-3 design which significantly improved handling was the deletion of the ventral fuel tank from April 1941 which improved CG and overall handling as well as top speed at all altitudes. It also shaved a full 2 seconds off the time to complete a full turn.

 

The second was the introduction of automatic slats, which became standard in production from July 1941, which did a lot to ease off the sharp stall characteristics but otherwise did little for the handling of the aircraft.

 

Then there was the introduction of the improved propeller, which was gradual from early summer 1941 but never completely replaced the old one. This improved performance at altitude and in combat situations with rapid changes in flying conditions both of which helped to minimize the risk of the dangerous spins at altitude.

 

All of the 3 major new Soviet fighter designs from 1940-41 had major teething problems, but the MiG-3 design team was actually the fastest to solve many of these issues (though some, like problems with an inadequate fuel pump, persisted) It's ironical that this was also the design to get cancelled before its time.

Edited May 17, 2015 by Finkeren

[Livai]

Since we need to wait to next week.
I wonder how much free time they have and the fun to include this to the game. Why they not share this with us? Is this AI controlled or is a Cockpit planned for the player version? Where to pre-order this?

Interesting to known if they can do this flames and add this Quality to the game? The current flames are not that realistic like this screenshot version here?

 

Edited May 17, 2015 by Superghostboy

[URUAker]

From what I have read a single AM38 Mig 3 was made, and 2 operation mig 3 were re-engined.

 

"This aircraft (in the photo) is the only MiG-3 fitted with the AM-38 engine in factory in August 1941. This engine gave higher power but less altitude capability than the AM-35A. The aircraft had a significant improvement in its low-altitude performance, and outclassed even the Bf-109F. The trials showed the necessity to redesign the oil and water radiators because of the higher heat generation of the new engine, and as well, the Il-2 program was prioritary for the use of the AM-38 engine. Because of these factors, the program was halted. 

A pair of other MiG-3s were re-engined in such  way in operative units."

 

 

Also:

 

"To improve the low-level performance of the MiG-3, one aircraft was tested with the AM-38 engine used by the Il-2 in July 1941. It proved to be 14 km/h (8.7 mph) faster than the normal MiG-3 at sea level and was more maneuverable as well. It was recommended for production after passing its State acceptance trials in September, provided that a cure for the engine's tendency to overheat in ambient temperatures above 16 °C (61 °F) was found. However the sole prototype was shot down on 5 October during flight tests and it was decided not to proceed with the idea as all AM-38 production was allocated to the Il-2. Ironically, later in the war, about 80 MiG-3s were reengined with AM-38s to make them airworthy again. Many of these were rearmed with two 20 mm ShVAK cannon as well"

 

So in short if the Russians get the Am-38 version in the BOM release the Germans should get the He100 (That's a fair trade   )

 

 

I was talking about versions in IL2 1946, not Rl or asking for it to be included

[LukeFF]

Don't forget:

• Armoured glass plate behind windscreen.
• Deleted ventral fuel tank.
• Automatic slats.
• Differently geared high altitude propeller.

 

Depending on how they do things, I could see the last three things being standard equipment (since the game takes place after these changes were introduced) and the armored glass being an unlock like it is on Bf 109 F-4. 

[Danziger]

Maybe some MiG-3 news today eh? I'm digging the skin suggestions for it.

[Voidhunger]

I hope there will be some bos news not for bom. Or is it bos now complete?

[Finkeren]

I hope there will be some bos news not for bom. Or is it bos now complete?

 

Obviously, it's not 'complete' (propably never will be) For one thing we can still look forward to summer and autumn versions of all BoS maps along with an extention of the campaign mode to include the late summer/autumn battles around Stalingrad.

 

Also: Any further enhancement/fixes for the sim itself made in BoM development will also directly benefit BoS.

[Bearcat]

 

 

I hope there will be some bos news not for bom. Or is it bos now complete?

 

 

Obviously, it's not 'complete' (propably never will be) For one thing we can still look forward to summer and autumn versions of all BoS maps along with an extention of the campaign mode to include the late summer/autumn battles around Stalingrad.

 

Also: Any further enhancement/fixes for the sim itself made in BoM development will also directly benefit BoS.

 

That is how I am looking at this.. I don't see them as two separate products but BoM as an expansion of BoS...

[Voidhunger]

Ok, summer and autumn maps, but since there will be no proper career mode, its only a cosmetic feature for quick mission builder.

Edited May 22, 2015 by Voidhunger

[Danziger]

I guess it depends on which one you install first lol. You could buy BoM first and "expand" it with BoS. I look at them as different modules that can be combined or played on their own.

[Bearcat]

I imagine that at several points between now and the eventual full release of BoM  BoS will go on sale again. At the last price for BoS P it was a no brainer for anyone who is interested in WWII sims... That is why I tyhink it would be silly to not get the whole 9.

[Livai]

Finally friday again a library to share. Maybe today we get the MechWarrior

[PA-Sniv]

Looks like a DevDiary will be published on May 22th...

[Danziger]

Nice! Today is the 22th!

[Livai]

What a day is tomorrow?

 

The P-40 and the Bf-110 lost in action. Tomorrow is Mig-3 time!  

[6./ZG26_Emil]

In case you didn't see it i16 over green stuff

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/16427-developer-diary-part-97-discussion/page-4

[ShamrockOneFive]

Ok, summer and autumn maps, but since there will be no proper career mode, its only a cosmetic feature for quick mission builder.

Devs announced that the current campaign system will expand to the new summer and autumn maps for BoS. Some are not at all enamoured with the current system but it is nice, at least to me, that we'll see the new maps playable in campaign mode from day one of the maps final release. I hold out some small hope that in doing that things get better with the system on the whole. More varied missions would be a fantastic start.

Edited May 28, 2015 by ShamrockOneFive