Cybermat47 Posted October 13, 2013 Posted October 13, 2013 (edited) As I understand it, in War Thunder you just point the mouse somewhere and the plane goes there, which many people here think is unrealistic. I don't really know. But is there a more realistic way of implementing mouse-flying into agame like BoS? Edited October 13, 2013 by Cybermat47
[JG2]Fenderalac Posted October 13, 2013 Posted October 13, 2013 mouse up down - elevator, mouse left right - roll, you have that option in WT aswell.
Picchio Posted October 13, 2013 Posted October 13, 2013 (edited) But. Why. Given that it could even be optional (you could just map mouse x and y axis as you would for a stick, I guess, though I never tried that) and personally knowing how it feels like to use a proper stick (even the cheapest one), I would never never never want to do that. Also, you'd be back to using the numpad for changing views, right? UGH... It's kind of like saying hey let's play an FPS the way we used to when we had no mouse! I can't really understand this: one side has people being all jihadist about harder-than-hardcore simulation, clickable switches, audiovisual immersivity, faithful controllers. The other side just brings up War Thunder. No balance between the two. Tell me, it was that presentation at Igromir this year that bewitched them all? Edited October 13, 2013 by Picchio
Adebar Posted October 13, 2013 Posted October 13, 2013 But. Why. Given that it could even be optional (you could just map mouse x and y axis as you would for a stick, I guess, though I never tried that) and personally knowing how it feels like to use a proper stick (even the cheapest one), I would never never never want to do that. Also, you'd be back to using the numpad for changing views, right? UGH... While pressing another key, for example c, mouse aim / flying in War Thunder turns into mouse view. I played it, because I never believed how well they implemented this, though I would never want to fly with mouse setup in a non arcadish flight game.
Cybermat47 Posted October 13, 2013 Author Posted October 13, 2013 I can't really understand this: one side has people being all jihadist about harder-than-hardcore simulation, clickable switches, audiovisual immersivity, faithful controllers. The other side just brings up War Thunder. I'm sort of in-between. I hate using a mouse to fly, but I can see how it would be beneficial to others.
Adebar Posted October 13, 2013 Posted October 13, 2013 Do not forget you can not use mouse aim in every game mode in WT. Arcade yes, Historical Battles yes, but it is more tricky, Full Real Battle no / impossible. I think one have to try it to see how proper it works for arcade game modes. But I do not want to see it in BoS, it is not a good feature to close the gap between hardcore sim enthusiasts and newbies. We simply do not need it to convince newbies flying full real, because there are plenty arcade flying games on the market.
Picchio Posted October 13, 2013 Posted October 13, 2013 I'm sort of in-between. I hate using a mouse to fly, but I can see how it would be beneficial to others. How do you see it being benefical to others?
Cybermat47 Posted October 13, 2013 Author Posted October 13, 2013 How do you see it being benefical to others? One of my friends is interested in flight sims, but he doesn't have a joystick. Being able to fly with a mouse might make it easier.
Picchio Posted October 13, 2013 Posted October 13, 2013 One of my friends is interested in flight sims, but he doesn't have a joystick. Being able to fly with a mouse might make it easier. This point of view sounds fair enough to me. But please do suggest him a joystick after a while!
Revvin Posted October 13, 2013 Posted October 13, 2013 One of my friends is interested in flight sims, but he doesn't have a joystick. Being able to fly with a mouse might make it easier. Lend him your stick for a day or two or better still go with him to a store and help him select one of many cheap sticks out there from your experience as a flight simmer to get him started as the majority of us here did before moving on to more expensive HOTAS. This is not directed at you or your friend but more the majority of WT player who demand more and yet are unwilling to put anything 'in' to getting into flight sims. Perhaps its a generation thing or a sign of modern times that people 'want it now' and don't want to work at anything anymore, its all about making it easy, dumbing it down, minimal effort
Picchio Posted October 13, 2013 Posted October 13, 2013 (edited) don't want to work at anything anymore, its all about making it easy, dumbing it down, minimal effort Also brief, superficial, instantly rewarding and pleasing experiences, but here we drift the topic a little bit away. Just another of the consequences of contemporary consumerism, perhaps. Anyways, yes. Gently insist with him about joysticks! Get him involved! Or lose him in the woods... No, not this again! If you don't have anything to add, just don't do it at all, no? Edited October 13, 2013 by Picchio
76SQN-FatherTed Posted October 13, 2013 Posted October 13, 2013 As I understand it, in War Thunder you just point the mouse somewhere and the plane goes there, which many people here think is unrealistic. I don't really know. How could this be anything other than unrealistic? I'm all for more people getting into flight-simming, but I honestly think a joystick of some sort is a pre-requisite. You don't have to start with £100-worth of stuff, - you can get a very serviceable stick for the price of CoD or FIFA 14 - so it's not that out of most gamers' financial reach. I think the likes of WT are there to satisfy a particular market, and BoS caters for different people. Its whole appeal to those people is that it is hard to master, needs a bit of effort and learning, and its community is populated by like-minded people. If you try to alter the product to accommodate more punters it loses its rasion d'etre. My hope would be that more than a few people will try WT and think that maybe there could be more to the genre, so they will seek out BoS, CloD, DCS or RoF because they're actually after a bit more complexity and challenge. It's a bit like owning a boutique wine shop; you don't try to swell your customer base by stacking cases of cheap lager at the door, you concentrate on what you know and what you do best. Sorry to derail, and post about something that's been gone over hundreds of times, but I hadn't had my say yet.
IVJG4-Knight Posted October 13, 2013 Posted October 13, 2013 I fly with a thrustmaster flight stick x that costed me under 20 euro.No trackir no pedals and i can do some incredible shooting, flying with it in Old il2 , clod, DCS. You do not need a 500 dolar joystick to be good.You will not be able to hit anything in a sim by flying with a mouse(mouseflying even sounds funny).Better to use a 5 dolar joystick.
71st_AH_Mastiff Posted October 13, 2013 Posted October 13, 2013 (edited) One of my friends is interested in flight sims, but he doesn't have a joystick. Being able to fly with a mouse might make it easier. a $20.00 dollar joystick down the street at your local electronics store. Cheaper then a mouse too. and no mouse aim either. Edited October 13, 2013 by 71st_Mastiff
ST_ami7b5 Posted October 13, 2013 Posted October 13, 2013 ... If you don't have anything to add, just don't do it at all, no? Discussed to death here http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/1352-fly-wire-mousekb-controls-warthunder/ and locked finally. No need to go through the same process again.
DD_bongodriver Posted October 13, 2013 Posted October 13, 2013 Problem with locked threads is there will always be someone who feels unsatisfied with the outcome of the discussion and want to continue it elsewhere.
Sokol1 Posted October 13, 2013 Posted October 13, 2013 Lend him your stick for a day or two or better still go with him to a store and help him select one of many cheap sticks out there from your experience as a flight simmer to get him started as the majority of us here did before moving on to more expensive HOTAS. This is not directed at you or your friend but more the majority of WT player who demand more and yet are unwilling to put anything 'in' to getting into flight sims. Perhaps its a generation thing or a sign of modern times that people 'want it now' and don't want to work at anything anymore, its all about making it easy, dumbing it down, minimal effort +1 Part of the (foolish ) experience in "flight simulators" is imagine that you control a plane - whit plane controls (stick, yoke...). Some newbie "flying" with mouse only serves for him compare with your FPS games and seem that flight sim is "boring". Well, maybe a "WASD" flight mode... Q, E for throttle... Sokol1
BMA_West Posted October 13, 2013 Posted October 13, 2013 No, not this again! And yes, bro, there they go again Thought this horse was already beaten to death 3 or 4 times, Lost the count by now ...
SR-F_Winger Posted October 13, 2013 Posted October 13, 2013 (edited) @ OP: This question is a contradiction in terms. An oxymoron. Please. BOS is a sim. Not a game. If you do not own a joystick then BOS is not the sim for you. WT is much better suited for you then i believe. However. If i can do anything to talk you into buying a good joystick and actually experience a sim the way its menant to be experienced then let me know. And i can REALLY recommend buying a joystick and actually start simming instead of gaming. Its soo much more of an experience. Just saying. EDIT: And: If i got you wrong and you just asked that question only for the purpose of knowing wat others think on the subject and if you are not at all interested in actually flying BOS with a mouse then i apologize for just opeing my typemouth Edited October 13, 2013 by VSG1_Winger
707shap_Srbin Posted October 13, 2013 Posted October 13, 2013 Oldsimmers still remember WarBirds:Free Host, where 90% flew with mousejoystick. I flew with mousejoy from 2003 to nowday, and I am happy
Bearcat Posted October 13, 2013 Posted October 13, 2013 Not this again.. please.. There are enough mousefly aim .. game pad action pediddlyquickschmackenwhahuzzitshitz out there.. This is not the place to even have this debate.
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