The future looks better all the time.

[[KWN]T-oddball]

How do you know "no one is playing it in significant numbers?"

 

(Less ALL CAPS too, please. We can all read you just fine without yelling). 

 

 

 

like EL said log on to MP and you will see the graveyard.

 

IL-2 Sturmovik: Battle of Stalingrad

Owners: 16,262 ± 3,277

Players in the last 2 weeks: 2,941 ± 1,393 (18.09%)

Players total: 15,224 ± 3,171 (93.62%)

Peak concurrent players yesterday: 99

 

 

Players online

• 85  right now 
• 101 24h peak 
• 224  all-time peak 5 months ago!!!

https://steamdb.info/app/307960/graphs/

 

there is a very big problem here Luke whether you want to admit it or not.

Edited May 9, 2015 by T-oddball

[bzc3lk]

 

like EL said log on to MP and you will see the graveyard.

 

IL-2 Sturmovik: Battle of Stalingrad

Owners: 16,262 ± 3,277

Players in the last 2 weeks: 2,941 ± 1,393 (18.09%)

Players total: 15,224 ± 3,171 (93.62%)

Peak concurrent players yesterday: 99

 

 

Players online

• 85  right now 
• 101 24h peak 
• 224  all-time peak 5 months ago!!!

https://steamdb.info/app/307960/graphs/

 

there is a very big problem here Luke whether you want to admit it or not.Do you have the Non Steam

Do you have the Non Steam participation figures for comparison?

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Even if all servers were running hot 45 is just too less to be enjoyable. Most people forget that at leats 10 of the 45 guys are afk and at least 10 flying threw the middle of nomansland without any target or coordination. It's just not worth logging in and seing the very same picture over and over again (server list). The russian server missions aren't the issue, infact they are not bad at all, but ping isn't always the best. Language is another story worth mentioning.

 

I don't like riding this horse against a brick wall continuesly as I'm getting tired doing so. The player reduction was MP wise the worst decision after unlocks ever, it should be natural to correct that as soon as possible nstead of calling it a day and leaving it to collect rust.

 

There's even less reason now since we have player hosted missions run by their own user side servers. If their server can handle 100 people than you may well let them do so. It's kind of difficult to imagine any other kind of irrational thinking to turn the left over MP players away.

 

Will stay, will be watching, will continue wishing, won't play MP much as long as it stays the way it is.

Edited May 9, 2015 by Stab/JG26_5tuka

[KoN_]

Can the game handel 100 players in one server , why was it dropped to 48 , and never been put back again ,

Tonight 8 players in DED expert . its in black and white . things arnt good .

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

 

 

Can the game handel 100 players in one server

Game and servers could handle more than that. It was already proven in October. Why limit was introduced, ... I never understood that.  

[[KWN]T-oddball]

Do you have the Non Steam participation figures for comparison?

 

 

do you? even if half the games out there were bought through this site and not steam that would only raise the numbers to 170....it makes no difference how you bought the game we all see the same server browser.

[bzc3lk]

do you? even if half the games out there were bought through this site and not steam that would only raise the numbers to 170....it makes no difference how you bought the game we all see the same server browser.

Still didn't answer the question.

 

 

Classic case of        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Question_dodging  

 

Raise the numbers by 170? Crystal ball figures or fact, link please. Your figures only prove that most people are SP players, so MP is not the determining factor as many people would have us to believe whether this game succeeds. The sky is not falling because MP numbers are down.

[Vaxxtx]

Still didn't answer the question.

 

 

Classic case of        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Question_dodging  

 

Raise the numbers by 170? Crystal ball figures or fact, link please. Your figures only prove that most people are SP players, so MP is not the determining factor as many people would have us to believe whether this game succeeds. The sky is not falling because MP numbers are down.

So after you say someone does not have solid numbers, you pull that out? LOL

 

I am a SP person, and I know a few who are the same, we are NOT playing BoS SP, because its rather dull. I tend to not agree with your assumption because one of the worst parts of BoS is the SP portion.

[LLv24_Zami]

So after you say someone does not have solid numbers, you pull that out? LOL

 

I am a SP person, and I know a few who are the same, we are NOT playing BoS SP, because its rather dull. I tend to not agree with your assumption because one of the worst parts of BoS is the SP portion.

 

I am a SP person too. I have well over 100 hours total in stock campaign so far and I dont see it dull.

 

No there is no career or traditional campaign mode and that is what I also want in long run. I have to make my own mini campaigns by selecting a plane and playing 3-5 missions per chapter, doing myself what should be taking care by proper career mode.

But missions in present campaign is not so bad these days. They have continuously evolved since the release and I find most of them very enjoyable. There are clear frontlines in every chapter, trains on stations and moving, AA artillery, convoys driving, enemy and friendly flights flying around on their missions and so on. Nice variation between missions. Plus the AI is pretty decent comparing to other titles.

 

Not trying to argue with anyone, just making my point

[Vaxxtx]

I am a SP person too. I have well over 100 hours total in stock campaign so far and I dont see it dull.

 

No there is no career or traditional campaign mode and that is what I also want in long run. I have to make my own mini campaigns by selecting a plane and playing 3-5 missions per chapter, doing myself what should be taking care by proper career mode.

But missions in present campaign is not so bad these days. They have continuously evolved since the release and I find most of them very enjoyable. There are clear frontlines in every chapter, trains on stations and moving, AA artillery, convoys driving, enemy and friendly flights flying around on their missions and so on. Nice variation between missions. Plus the AI is pretty decent comparing to other titles.

 

Not trying to argue with anyone, just making my point

 Glad some people find it enjoyable. I just find is very sterile, very small scale, and very boring. There is nothing more than playing a QMB over and over....that does not entertain me.

 

I have been spoiled by too many good SP sims that BoS feels like a large step back. I think many more would agree that the SP content is seriously missing.

[6./ZG26_Custard]

 

 

Glad some people find it enjoyable. I just find is very sterile, very small scale, and very boring. There is nothing more than playing a QMB over and over....that does not entertain me. I have been spoiled by too many good SP sims that BoS feels like a large step back. I think many more would agree that the SP content is seriously missing.

 

Find SP boring? Try here http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/14893-missions-sharing-corner/

 

Want more from MP? Check here and look out for future coops and maybe sign up http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/16178-blood-skies-event/

[LLv24_Zami]

 Glad some people find it enjoyable. I just find is very sterile, very small scale, and very boring. There is nothing more than playing a QMB over and over....that does not entertain me.

 

I have been spoiled by too many good SP sims that BoS feels like a large step back. I think many more would agree that the SP content is seriously missing.

 

Yes there is portion of SP content missing. But not so much on missions, if there where a frame of career around these missions it would be satisfying for most of us.

 

I have played sims since Battlehawks 1942, still this one has something special. Maybe I am getting old

Edited May 10, 2015 by Zami

[6./ZG26_Custard]

 

 

I'm tired of the comparisons between bos and the original il2

Yeah, me too

[LLv24_Zami]

Yeah, me too

+1

[SCG_Neun]

I agree, there is portion of SP content missing. But not so much on missions, if there where a frame of career around these missions it would be satisfying for most of us.

 

I have played sims since Battlehawks 1942, still this one has something special. Maybe I am getting old

I'm right there with you Zami.  I don't blame the guys for pointing out the games limitations...and depending on your style of game play it's a deal breaker for a lot of people.  For me it's not.  The game has immersion.....great atmospheric rendering.....some of the best.  As far as the bubble or whatever....heck..I'm not usually up that freaking high anyway...and when I am.....I'm willing to give that a pass.  I just choose to believe in this game evolving....and if I'm wrong.....and I don't think I am....what am I out?   It's not like I put a down payment on a car.....it's not that much money for me considering I love this history and WWII CFSs.  I'm going to support the effort to make this game into a first class sim and with the updates and third party creations....we are chugging in that direction.  Like Custard....the mission paks that have been created have pumped some fresh air into what was once stale game play.

 

Just saying.....

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=67&v=LdZTEsn4nB8

Edited May 10, 2015 by JagdNeun

[BraveSirRobin]

BSR, No one it trying to hate the game.   We all want a real replacement for IL2, and we want it to be successful and meet our expectations.  Trouble is you don't have to try very hard at all to see the glaring omissions and issues with BOS on a fundamental level. 

 

 

You probably need to adjust your expectations.  It's a little silly to compare this game with IL2 after the initial release.  IL2 had years of updates.  Hell, I remember when CoD was an epic disaster.  Now, apparently, it's the greatest game ever created.  Try to have some patience.

[BlitzPig_EL]

Aim low and achieve? That's never been my style.

Patience I do have. I just wonder how long it will take before folks, like the rest of my squad, simply put their controllers away and leave the genre behind?

[BraveSirRobin]

Aim low and achieve? That's never been my style. Patience I do have. I just wonder how long it will take before folks, like the rest of my squad, simply put their controllers away and leave the genre behind?

 

Yup, aim low and achieve.  Then add more over the years.  Sorry if that doesn't meet your standards.  But judging by the lack of WW2 flight sim development right now, no one is meeting your standards.  You either need to adjust your standards or find a new hobby.

BTW, pretty good crowd in the TWB server right now. It might be a good time to go complain in there.

[BlitzPig_EL]

You don't get it do you?

 

Yeah, one full server on a weekend. 

 

ONE.

 

Oh well, I give up.  You want to believe everything is rosy?  Fine with me.

 

But forgive me if I keep my eyes wide open and see things for what they really are.

[BraveSirRobin]

Yeah, thank God we have you to keep reminding us how much things suck.

[LukeFF]

 

 

Luke, have you actually been online recently and counted the numbers of people playing?

 

I most certainly have.

 

 

 

And if I choose to yell and shout for emphasis, I will, thank you very much.

 

Fixed 

[Vaxxtx]

Find SP boring? Try here http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/14893-missions-sharing-corner/

 

Want more from MP? Check here and look out for future coops and maybe sign up http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/16178-blood-skies-event/

 

Seen it.

 

Show me a set of mission strung together to make a large scale campaign, where air battles actually matter, and carry over to the next mission.... link that. I would be more than impressed.

 

I dont play MP, sorry. Been there, done that, got the hat. Seems I am not missing much in that area anyway.

[Bearcat]

You don't get it do you?

Yeah, one full server on a weekend.

ONE.

Oh well, I give up.  You want to believe everything is rosy?  Fine with me.

But forgive me if I keep my eyes wide open and see things for what they really are.

 

Maybe you are the one who doesn't get it...  Look man...  By now everyone on both sides of the fence basically knows what the deal is with BoS so if some folks like it why does that have to mean that they are not seeing the sim for what it is just because they don't see it as you do or that they somehow "don't get it"? Why do they have to have lower standards..? Why can't they just have different standards.. and just appreciate BoS for what it is just as sincerely or clear headed as you do not like it for what it is... ? You are not happy with BoS .. You are not alone... Likewise  there are many who enjoy BoS for what it does well.. and regardless to what you or anyone else says.. BoS does a lot of things quite well....  Do many of us wish that some things were different? You bet... but we see BoS for what it is.. and for us it is still an enjoyable product with much potential for a long life.. in spite of what you or any of the other vocal critics think. I can't help but wonder just what are you trying to accomplish with all this... ? It is obvious that most of the folks who still come here enjoy BoS warts and all.. so why the relentless ongoing campaign to constantly paint those who see the sim in a more positive light as somehow misguided or stupid? You give up..? Well on behalf of many on this board... Thank You!! I hope you find something else to occupy your time that you enjoy more than BoS ...  but this constant negativity is just .. so like... Why ? at this point..

 

You are of course entitled to your opinions.. and you have the right to express them here.... but to me it just makes no sense to spend so much time on a forum you don't like of a product you don't like.... It just makes no sense to me.

[coconut]

Seen it.

 

Show me a set of mission strung together to make a large scale campaign, where air battles actually matter, and carry over to the next mission.... link that. I would be more than impressed.

 

I dont play MP, sorry. Been there, done that, got the hat. Seems I am not missing much in that area anyway.

 

What you describe is already possible, although not in a very straight-forward manner. Some of the big multiplayer missions are built in the way you describe. They are meant to last for several hours, the ground decide the outcome, which means that intercepting bombers, or intercepting the interceptors has indirect but tangible effects on the final result.

 

Turning one of these big PvP missions into a multiplayer coop (possibly a single player "coop") shouldn't be too hard. The only catch is that you need to run DServer.exe and you can't pause, accelerate or save the game. It would still be a fun way to spend sessions of 2-3 hours.

[6./ZG26_Custard]

 

 

Seen it. Show me a set of mission strung together to make a large scale campaign, where air battles actually matter, and carry over to the next mission.... link that. I would be more than impressed. I dont play MP, sorry. Been there, done that, got the hat. Seems I am not missing much in that area anyway.

 

Have you ever considered the possibility that with a bit of imagination and a pencil and paper or using the tool here in this link [that probably won't impress] http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/13379-release-bosparser-bos-after-action-report-application/   you could string the missions together yourself into an on-going campaign of sorts? The community is regularly updating that section with some wonderful  immersive missions. It's not perfect I know, but hopefully it will continue to improve and expand and who knows we may end up with a 3rd party campaign. "The devs should be doing this!" I hear people cry but seriously some of the other WWII sims out there have certain aspects about them that truly suck too. They have only been improved via 3rd party intervention or the modding community and even now they are still far from perfect.

      

Talking of being impressed, I would be, if you actually found something to say remotely positive about this title on this forum, because I get the impression that you really don't like BoS at all. Of course, your opinion is your own and I respect that but I think this sim is improving all the time and is really not as terrible as some folks say it is.

 

 

 

You don't get it do you? Yeah, one full server on a weekend. ONE. Oh well, I give up. You want to believe everything is rosy? Fine with me. But forgive me if I keep my eyes wide open and see things for what they really are.

 

 

EL, this is a problem not just for BoS but for other WWII sims (CLOD) also with just one or two servers full.

I know it's not rosy, far from it but it seems that is the current state of this genre as a whole.

 

I hope to see you one day maybe sign up for some coops that are starting to get organised, because I have a positive feeling that they will be a regular occurrence and hopefully a lot of fun. 

 

Regards

 

Custard

[LLv24_Zami]

I'm right there with you Zami.  I don't blame the guys for pointing out the games limitations...and depending on your style of game play it's a deal breaker for a lot of people.  For me it's not.  The game has immersion.....great atmospheric rendering.....some of the best.  As far as the bubble or whatever....heck..I'm not usually up that freaking high anyway...and when I am.....I'm willing to give that a pass.  I just choose to believe in this game evolving....and if I'm wrong.....and I don't think I am....what am I out?   It's not like I put a down payment on a car.....it's not that much money for me considering I love this history and WWII CFSs.  I'm going to support the effort to make this game into a first class sim and with the updates and third party creations....we are chugging in that direction.  Like Custard....the mission paks that have been created have pumped some fresh air into what was once stale game play.

 

Just saying.....

 

 

Awesome video, that pretty much sums up why I like this game so much. Overall feeling of flight, DM, graphics+sounds, AI and general atmosphere in BoS are just superb. Not getting same feeling in any other sim. And I like eastern front. Current winter maps are brilliantly build but of course I am really looking forward to summer for a change .

 

No game is perfect and never will be but game is great fun in its current state and will get even better. I am glad for opportunity to fly with VVS and Luftwaffe on eastern front

 

 

Have you ever considered the possibility that with a bit of imagination and a pencil and paper or using the tool here in this link [that probably won't impress] http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/13379-release-bosparser-bos-after-action-report-application/   you could string the missions together yourself into an on-going campaign of sorts? The community is regularly updating that section with some wonderful  immersive missions. It's not perfect I know, but hopefully it will continue to improve and expand and who knows we may end up with a 3rd party campaign. "The devs should be doing this!" I hear people cry but seriously some of the other WWII sims out there have certain aspects about them that truly suck too. They have only been improved via 3rd party intervention or the modding community and even now they are still far from perfect.

      

 

IIRC Jason stated that somekind of traditional campaign mode is in the works outside developer team. But anyway I am sure we have a solution to this issue some day in not so distant future.

In the meantime I`ll be flying my own campaings using missions generated by current Advanced mission generator as it should be called and having great time.

 

And of course many user made campaigns+missions, they are awesome! My hats off for everyone building this content for us

Edited May 10, 2015 by Zami

[6./ZG26_Custard]

 

 

IIRC Jason stated that somekind of traditional campaign mode is in the works outside developer team. But anyway I am sure we have a solution to this issue some day in not so distant future. In the meantime I`ll be flying my own campaings using missions generated by current Advanced mission generator as it should be called and having great time. And of course many user made campaigns+missions, they are awesome! My hats off for everyone building this content for us

Yes indeed

[6./ZG26_Custard]

 

 

I'm going to support the effort to make this game into a first class sim and with the updates and third party creations....we are chugging in that direction.

  Couldn't agree more.

[=VARP=Cygann]

There are lots of things I like about BOS, and some things that I do not. I think there are more things I like then not, so when I personally draw the line, I am ok with my purchase and not sorry.

 

But I will never take anyone seriously who said BOS SP content is ok for a 100$ game. It is by far weakest SP in last decade counting in even indy one man team developer studios selling on humble bundle.

 

Even 1998 game Enemy Engaged offered ongoing war with moving fronts that was so good that missions were done by AI in real time even if you left the game and went to eat, returned and hoped on into any of the pending missions. Fronts were moving, destroyed things left destroyed until conflict ended. You would think that would be blueprint for modern sims to strive and expand from. But noooo, we're 17 years ahead in a most recent sim created where SP content is down to 5 missions templates that always look the same with just random enemy numbers and weather and nothing you do matters. You may as well take off and land minute after, or go in and level out whole enemy airfield to the last building, effect is exactly the same. So how can someone call that even a mission, let alone campaign? It is just quick flight with optional objective, something you get as 10 missions tutorial in older games.

 

When destroying ground objects start to carry over from mission to mission, only then can one call it a campaign. I don't believe 777 can deliver on continuity, they didn't do it in ROF, they didn't do it in BOS and I don't have any faith they will do it in BOM.

 

I'll still play those games, but feel bad for anyone that is not into MP part. If i was SP only player, I'd be pissed too. Luckily for those of us that also like MP, community usually saves the sim some 2-3 years down the line (about my estimate when I will take BOS seriously, until then CloD and ROF will do just fine for MP).

[dburne]

 

Even 1998 game Enemy Engaged offered ongoing war with moving fronts that was so good that missions were done by AI in real time even if you left the game and went to eat, returned and hoped on into any of the pending missions.

 

I'll still play those games, but feel bad for anyone that is not into MP part. If i was SP only player, I'd be pissed too. Luckily for those of us that also like MP, community usually saves the sim some 2-3 years down the line (about my estimate when I will take BOS seriously, until then CloD and ROF will do just fine for MP).

 

As a SP guy, this is why I no longer play BOS and in it's current iteration will not be purchasing BOM. I just can not get into the SP aspect of this sim.

 

Enemy Engaged was so awesome, I had several years of great enjoyment with that sim.

[6./ZG26_Emil]

I have my grumbles but overall I think it's a solid start. 

 

I can't speak for SP it doesn't interest me but for MP we are making our own fun instead of looking for reasons not to fly. Tonight we will do our first large scale coop which is going to be  a lot of fun. 

[6./ZG26_Emil]

I have a theory as well....is it possible that the flight sim community has an unusually high percentage of Victor Meldrew clones within it?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLNrLI3OBwg

[LLv24_Zami]

There are lots of things I like about BOS, and some things that I do not. I think there are more things I like then not, so when I personally draw the line, I am ok with my purchase and not sorry.

 

But I will never take anyone seriously who said BOS SP content is ok for a 100$ game. It is by far weakest SP in last decade counting in even indy one man team developer studios selling on humble bundle.

 

Even 1998 game Enemy Engaged offered ongoing war with moving fronts that was so good that missions were done by AI in real time even if you left the game and went to eat, returned and hoped on into any of the pending missions. Fronts were moving, destroyed things left destroyed until conflict ended. You would think that would be blueprint for modern sims to strive and expand from. But noooo, we're 17 years ahead in a most recent sim created where SP content is down to 5 missions templates that always look the same with just random enemy numbers and weather and nothing you do matters. You may as well take off and land minute after, or go in and level out whole enemy airfield to the last building, effect is exactly the same. So how can someone call that even a mission, let alone campaign? It is just quick flight with optional objective, something you get as 10 missions tutorial in older games.

 

When destroying ground objects start to carry over from mission to mission, only then can one call it a campaign. I don't believe 777 can deliver on continuity, they didn't do it in ROF, they didn't do it in BOS and I don't have any faith they will do it in BOM.

 

I'll still play those games, but feel bad for anyone that is not into MP part. If i was SP only player, I'd be pissed too. Luckily for those of us that also like MP, community usually saves the sim some 2-3 years down the line (about my estimate when I will take BOS seriously, until then CloD and ROF will do just fine for MP).

 

Appearantly this is directed to me?

 

You take me seriously enough to state your argument . It really seems to be hard for some people when someone actually enjoys the current campaign or for your pleasure a mission generator. And it is even worse if he dares to write about it on game forum.

 

As I have said many times, I dont like the way campaign is implemented to BoS. But I still find missions it generated good enough to continue flying. I want continuity for my campaigns as well but at war of this scale one pilot doesn`t matter nothing really. So the war goes how it goes regardless the bridge or tank you destroyed is shown on the map anymore or not. I dont personally like unhistorical campaigns where you can change battle results by flying a single plane.

 

Plus other things about BoS that I mentioned earlier in this thread is what brings me back again and again playing this game.

 

But I respect your opinion that you cant find any use for current BoS mission system, thats fine. There are many games I own but didnt like and never play but for others they are great. Thats the way it goes...

[Rjel]

But I respect your opinion that you cant find any use for current BoS mission system, thats fine. There are many games I own but didnt like and never play but for others they are great. Thats the way it goes...

 

I have a theory as well....is it possible that the flight sim community has an unusually high percentage of Victor Meldrew clones within it?

While I still believe the vast majority of us are firmly in the middle opinion wise on how good or bad BoS is, I think most lean toward the positive. We aren't as vocal as the group in this and most thread(s). It does seem as though a small handful of members have chosen the more combative approach. Those bent on pulling every last simmer out there onto the BoS bandwagon are every bit as annoying as the handful who have made it their mission to tear it down. It's so obvious who is in each camp that whenever any sort of thread is opened that lends itself to debate I can, and I suspect anyone else with an open mind can too, tell exactly who'll show up in that thread and what their stance will be. Each group will +1 another till everyone tires of it and heads off to the next thread. Very predictable and self defeating.

Edited May 10, 2015 by Rjel

[Vaxxtx]

Have you ever considered the possibility that with a bit of imagination and a pencil and paper or using the tool here in this link [that probably won't impress] http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/13379-release-bosparser-bos-after-action-report-application/   you could string the missions together yourself into an on-going campaign of sorts? The community is regularly updating that section with some wonderful  immersive missions. It's not perfect I know, but hopefully it will continue to improve and expand and who knows we may end up with a 3rd party campaign. "The devs should be doing this!" I hear people cry but seriously some of the other WWII sims out there have certain aspects about them that truly suck too. They have only been improved via 3rd party intervention or the modding community and even now they are still far from perfect.

      

Talking of being impressed, I would be, if you actually found something to say remotely positive about this title on this forum, because I get the impression that you really don't like BoS at all. Of course, your opinion is your own and I respect that but I think this sim is improving all the time and is really not as terrible as some folks say it is.

 

 

I was hoping a new sim game released in 2014, with the IL2 name, would have a real campaign. I was hoping that even if it was not great at the start the devs would make it a priority to implement it, not say it is what it is, deal with it. I was hoping that when I use a pencil and notepad it would be to take notes, coordinates, and other information....not to write a mini story campaign for hollow SP campaign. So no, making a campaign with a pencil, dice, and other silly tools does not do it for me.

 

I would love to say something positive about this game.....and I have. It looks good and the FM is decent. My list is done with the positive. You make it sound like it is my fault I cant find anything else to praise. Truth is, I have not seen anything else that's good.

 

If you are so distraught by my un-rosy outlook on BoS and its future, maybe nudge Zak to give me my refund he promised 4 months ago. As I told him I would have nothing to say about BoS if I don't own it, so that's one less person that would have to read comments from. 

[[KWN]T-oddball]

Maybe you are the one who doesn't get it...  Look man...  By now everyone on both sides of the fence basically knows what the deal is with BoS so if some folks like it why does that have to mean that they are not seeing the sim for what it is just because they don't see it as you do or that they somehow "don't get it"? Why do they have to have lower standards..? Why can't they just have different standards.. and just appreciate BoS for what it is just as sincerely or clear headed as you do not like it for what it is... ? You are not happy with BoS .. You are not alone... Likewise  there are many who enjoy BoS for what it does well.. and regardless to what you or anyone else says.. BoS does a lot of things quite well....  Do many of us wish that some things were different? You bet... but we see BoS for what it is.. and for us it is still an enjoyable product with much potential for a long life.. in spite of what you or any of the other vocal critics think. I can't help but wonder just what are you trying to accomplish with all this... ? It is obvious that most of the folks who still come here enjoy BoS warts and all.. so why the relentless ongoing campaign to constantly paint those who see the sim in a more positive light as somehow misguided or stupid? You give up..? Well on behalf of many on this board... Thank You!! I hope you find something else to occupy your time that you enjoy more than BoS ...  but this constant negativity is just .. so like... Why ? at this point..

 

You are of course entitled to your opinions.. and you have the right to express them here.... but to me it just makes no sense to spend so much time on a forum you don't like of a product you don't like.... It just makes no sense to me.

 

And there it is...the dismissive elitist  piss off if you don't like it mentality that makes this place toxic....did you miss the part where he said his whole! squad save him has packed it up???....is that a matter of opinion or a reaction to a greater problem that goes beyond opinion... As far as opinions go you are the one sharing your opinion we on the other hand are dealing in facts.

 

Facts:

no local host

no CO-OP mode

no 64+ server

unlocks......

locked video presets...

add to the fact they are already working on BOM with out addressing the above.....

 

In regards to what EL is trying to accomplish he is simply calling things for what they are....he would not be doing this if this had not been tauted as the next chapter in the IL2 saga. EL (like many others) are justified in their grievance about BOS...to many omissions and dev mistakes have been made and the MP participation is a gauge of the relative health of this title.

 

 

 

 

What you describe is already possible, although not in a very straight-forward manner. Some of the big multiplayer missions are built in the way you describe. They are meant to last for several hours, the ground decide the outcome, which means that intercepting bombers, or intercepting the interceptors has indirect but tangible effects on the final result.

 

Turning one of these big PvP missions into a multiplayer coop (possibly a single player "coop") shouldn't be too hard. The only catch is that you need to run DServer.exe and you can't pause, accelerate or save the game. It would still be a fun way to spend sessions of 2-3 hours.

 

A. straight-forward? not everyone has the time or inclination to engage in a cumbersome process to get a sudo CO-OP going.

B. several hours? you assume everyone wants to play a mission for several hours.

C.shouldn't be hard? you are right about that....but it is and that is the problem, the ME is not bad for me but it is not accessible to a lot of casual players who simply want to jump on HL throw together some quick missions and host them and then maybe one of their mates will host next in HL....wash,rinse,repeat....

 

Have you ever considered the possibility that with a bit of imagination and a pencil and paper or using the tool here in this link [that probably won't impress] http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/13379-release-bosparser-bos-after-action-report-application/   you could string the missions together yourself into an on-going campaign of sorts? The community is regularly updating that section with some wonderful  immersive missions. It's not perfect I know, but hopefully it will continue to improve and expand and who knows we may end up with a 3rd party campaign. "The devs should be doing this!" I hear people cry but seriously some of the other WWII sims out there have certain aspects about them that truly suck too. They have only been improved via 3rd party intervention or the modding community and even now they are still far from perfect.

      

Talking of being impressed, I would be, if you actually found something to say remotely positive about this title on this forum, because I get the impression that you really don't like BoS at all. Of course, your opinion is your own and I respect that but I think this sim is improving all the time and is really not as terrible as some folks say it is.

 

EL, this is a problem not just for BoS but for other WWII sims (CLOD) also with just one or two servers full.

I know it's not rosy, far from it but it seems that is the current state of this genre as a whole.

 

I hope to see you one day maybe sign up for some coops that are starting to get organised, because I have a positive feeling that they will be a regular occurrence and hopefully a lot of fun. 

 

Regards

 

Custard

 

A. HL was/is the social hub where everybody talked about anything related to IL2 , M4T was the goto repository for all things IL2 add to the fact that people would throw up links to stuff they are working on and or finished or needed help debugging a mission. HL was a constant community update.

 

B. coops that are starting to get organized? online wars get organized CO-OP's have almost always been an informal arrangement via HL i.e show and put up...and wait for people to join.

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I was hoping a new sim game released in 2014, with the IL2 name, would have a real campaign. I was hoping that even if it was not great at the start the devs would make it a priority to implement it, not say it is what it is, deal with it. I was hoping that when I use a pencil and notepad it would be to take notes, coordinates, and other information....not to write a mini story campaign for hollow SP campaign. So no, making a campaign with a pencil, dice, and other silly tools does not do it for me. I would love to say something positive about this game.....and I have. It looks good and the FM is decent. My list is done with the positive. You make it sound like it is my fault I cant find anything else to praise. Truth is, I have not seen anything else that's good. If you are so distraught by my un-rosy outlook on BoS and its future, maybe nudge Zak to give me my refund he promised 4 months ago. As I told him I would have nothing to say about BoS if I don't own it, so that's one less person that would have to read comments from.

 

Yep I now stand impressed. There are two things you like about BoS. With very little effort on your part you could enhance your SP experience but that seems a moot point for you. With regard to the fact you seem to think I think it's your fault you can't praise BoS, well as I said it's your opinion is your own and I respect it. I don't agree with it but hey you don't agree with mine and neither of us are going to lose any sleep over it.

 

I'm certainly not distraught by your personal un-rosy outlook on the future of Bos as you have admitted  yourself, you only have two things you can praise and nothing else. That seem to indicate that you have made up your mind that this sim isn't for you. If you can't find what you are looking for here then I hope you find it elsewhere?  Nudge to @Zak Vaxxtx isn't happy and wants a refund.

 

 

 

A. HL was/is the social hub where everybody talked about anything related to IL2 , M4T was the goto repository for all things IL2 add to the fact that people would throw up links to stuff they are working on and or finished or needed help debugging a mission. HL was a constant community update. B. coops that are starting to get organized? online wars get organized CO-OP's have almost always been an informal arrangement via HL i.e show and put up...and wait for people to join.

 

 

I wish we had HL, I'm in agreement with you but because we don't atm the Coops are trying to be organised the only way we can. I hope we will see more folks signing up for these in the future.  

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@Zami - sorry if I sounded it's directed to anyone, trust me it was not although I might have been inspired by something you or someone else said, can't even tell myself for sure .

 

I really meant in general, expressing my own take on what proper campaign has to have as bare minimum, and that is world persistence between missions before I consider it a proper campaign.

 

That however does not make BOS a bad game, I just find SP part underwhelming since one can shoot 5-6 old sims that did it so much better that I would need a blog dedicated to expressing it, forum is not enough.

Edited May 10, 2015 by EAF19_Cyclops

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@Zami - sorry if I sounded it's directed to anyone, trust me it was not although I might have been inspired by something you or someone else said, can't even tell myself for sure .

 

I really meant in general, expressing my own take on what proper campaign has to have as bare minimum, and that is world persistence between missions before I consider it a proper campaign.

 

That however does not make BOS a bad game, I just find SP part underwhelming since one can shoot 5-6 old sims that did it so much better that I would need a blog dedicated to expressing it, forum is not enough.

 

No problem, my mistake .

 

Hope we get a campaign to please everybody someday, I think we can all agree there is much room for improvement in that sector.

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No problem, my mistake .

 

Hope we get a campaign to please everybody someday, I think we can all agree there is much room for improvement in that sector.

 

That exactly is my main issue, I think I've read around this board that they will not bother with coops and singleplayer (even that back in alpha I clearly remember them stating SP is the very main part of new IL2 game and it will be biggest thing in this game).

Do I need to point out how grind to unlock skins is not revolutionary since Diablo or whatever other carrot on a stick game you can think off from your youth .

 

And reason is some telemetry stats from ROF show people don't want and need that. But when you say MP servers are empty, they response is everyone plays SP, CarierB and coops. So which is it? I am confused to say the least, guess all we customers actually want and need are more planes and more skins to unlock and we can use our imagination later on what to do with those.

 

I like playing ROF and BOS on my free time and like it a lot. But like with all things in life, I point out shortcomings, if I was not I'd consider myself a fanboy - IMHO a trait I'd rather not be associated with too often if it can be helped (and no mate, this is not aimed at you either ).

I just used your quote to point out what I think will not be worked on much in the future. And I'll sooooo gladly eat my own words should they prove me wrong, I'd joyfully admitted it!