Help with building a gaming pc for Battle of Stalingrad?

April 24, 2015

is this the MB you chose? http://www.newegg.com/global/uk/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132118&cm_re=ASUS_Z97-A-_-13-132-118-_-Product

if so you might want to familiarize yourself with the bios before building.

drivers and tools (the CD that comes with the board may have older drivers.)

https://www.asus.com/us/support/Download/1/45/6/1/ic9YbXVua78KEzSH/41/

do not use the thermal paste that comeswith the CPU, use Arctic Silver 5

http://www.newegg.com/global/uk/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835100007&Tpk=N82E16835100007

if you have any questions or are unsure please ask before proceeding.

Yep that's the motherboard mate! I'll have a look at that youtube video and DL to my HDD.. & thanks for the drivers dl page. I've actually still got a brand new tube of Arctic silver cpu paste from a couple of years ago from when I was gonna do my first build back then.. I'll have to see if its ok to use!

Cheers Oddball

April 24, 2015

http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp

That's the one Everything in that build is looking great!

Props to the person who donated the 570! Until recently I was happy running BOS on a GTX 560 Ti with medium settings so that card should keep you happy for a good while! You may have issues moving the XP licence to the new system, since usually it's tied to the motherboard. Once it figures out the MB has changed you may need to call Microsoft to get a new key. Once you can afford it certainly look to getting a newer OEM Windows kit If you want to save some money you don't absolutely need a 3rd party CPU cooler unless you are going to overclock. You can get away with using the one Intel provides. Since you're in Essex hopefully you won't get too many heat issues (not like here in Australia!).

Regards

Albino

Australia's such a beautiful country, my sister went for 6 months..

Thanks for that link it's great Albino, it recommends around 550w so 620w will be perfect.. OK well I definitely wont argue with saving money, anything I can shave off the price now but with out it costing me more later on is a plus! so should I just scrape the pre applied past of the stock cooler and reapply the Arctic Silver I have, and that'll be fine? and then just buy a better cooler fan later when I have more money to spare! I can't see me overclocking straight away anyway.

When I have the money spare once I've found the money for the build first, I would like to update to Win 7 or 8.. unfortunately it wont be any good until I find the money to pay for the rest of it lol

I've had this Win XP disk and code for so long I don't even remember where I got it from.. but it works on multiple machines and registers for updates from Microsoft! I've installed it on 3 different pc's I've bought over the years, because I've only ever bought my last few home pc's 2nd hand I've never had any disks with them so if I've ever done a full reformat I've always reinstalled XP using the same old disc and code I've always had! I think I found it in a draw when I moved in to a new place some years back..

It was 'Sallee' who offered to give me his old GPU, I can't imagine he'd mind me saying! I'm eternally grateful for the kindness his shown.. I know it may not seem like a really big deal to some but for me money is really tight at the moment and saving that money for GPU is a really big help! It's also reminded me that there are still good people out there..

And now my brother in-law said he's got an old CPU & MoBo , a couple of sticks of Ram he can lend me from his work until I can get mine built which with the GPU from Sallee, I can use my current "old" pc to get online & should just be good enough for the Minimum Recommended Spec's for playing Sturmovik on the Lowest settings.. at least I can familiarise my self with the game while I'm building my gaming pc..

To be honest I wasn't expecting so many people to offer so much help when I came to the forum! I new that IL2 Sturmovik was an excellent game but obviously the players are one of a kind as well.. even thou you're all from all over the world you're all a community

April 24, 2015

Hi all,

The discussion here are rotating around 1080p, I am wondering if it is possible to get advice for a 1440p gaming rig (preferably based on AMD CPU).

Cheers !

April 24, 2015

I understand that AMD are a lot cheaper than Intel, but from what I've read (although I've read so many reviews and so many conflicting suggestions my heads a little confused right now lol) Intel is ahead at the moment and I'm just of the mind I can only afford to do this once, so if I get the MoBo and CPU right the rest can be added to or upgraded later!

Look , of course you never know unless you have experience in a certain processor. The xII 965 has a good single thread performance, better compared to the AMD 8320 and equal to the 8350.

http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/770/AMD_FX-Series_FX-8350_vs_AMD_Phenom_II_X4_965_%28125W__BE%29.html

But if you have already the processor , no use to look for another one.

Very important is the speed of the HD with the new SSD's having the edge. so it would increase rapidly the performance of any CPU if you have the game installed in a SSD and your system in SSD too.

That's my second upgrade option after the graphics card, so I ain't going to change CPU.

SO in conclusion.

1. Most important role = GPU i highlly suggest a radeon 270X, will keep you up in frames for years to come.

2. Second the CPU with good single thread performance ( for the game) at the moment.....

3. Equally important as the 2 if not more is the SSD, the faster yout CPU can read it the faster will process it and without too much load.

So basically all this debate about intel and AMD is useless concerning a game, and money waste, you can upgrade a performance much more by getting an SSD than a processor who runs in an old type disk.

In fact AMD is closer to gaming than anyone else for the matter, so you might have that in mind as well.

http://gadgets.ndtv.com/games/features/amd-plans-to-do-for-vr-what-it-did-for-pc-game-development-679513?utm_campaign=ndtv-gadgets&utm_medium=tile1&utm_source=amd&utm_content=ch20150421&utm_term=en-gb

P.S. recently upgraded my cooler on the stock AMD OLD cooler and the processor flies , as well as in game , night and day difference.

Will measure FPS in ultra settings on my rig if interested.

Cheers !

Edited April 24, 2015 by AvengerSeawolf

April 25, 2015

To be honest I wasn't expecting so many people to offer so much help when I came to the forum! I new that IL2 Sturmovik was an excellent game but obviously the players are one of a kind as well.. even thou you're all from all over the world you're all a community

We a) like welcoming people to be the flight sim community and b) like talking about hardware!

Well it sounds like you're all set with those second hand parts! If you're going to go with the stock cooler for now just keep an eye on the CPU temps when the system is under load. So long as things don't go much higher then 60 c its peachy. Have a look at some YouTube videos about applying thermal paste correctly (and use the Arctic Silver you have). Doing it right can shave a few degrees off the operating temp. Yes scrape off the old thermal paste (using Isopropyl Alcohol, 70% or better from your supermarket or hardware store) and apply again from scratch. Last time I did it I used those cottons swabs on sticks and it worked well.

Good on you Sallee

I can't explain your good fortune with the Windows XP disk!

Regarding the SSD, once you can afford it this is a fantastic upgrade. Just remember that it will not affect frame rates or graphics quality in the game. Installing an OS and game on the SSD will drastically cut boot times and speed up loading screens only. It's great for making an old slow PC feel snappy again, but it can't improve graphics performance.

I don't have advice in regards to new CPUs when you tire of the second hand gear. I'm not up to date on developments. There hasn't been a whole lot of innovation in the last 4 years other than incremental improvements in power efficiency and single threaded performance. In 2 years the best part to get from Intel will probably still be whatever mid-market quad core they are offering. AMD has a new architecture on the way. Hopefully that will shake things up a bit!

Let us know how the build goes!

Regards

Albino

Edited April 25, 2015 by Albino

April 26, 2015

Hi albino, yeah I'll get some Isopropyl Alcohol then and i have a good supply of cotton buds i can use..

Those second hand bits are only temp for a month or 6 weeks tops while I build my new one I'm all set on what CPU I'm getting now, finally I think I have a good setup in mind..

-Intel core i5 quad 4690K , CPU

-Cool Master Hyper 212 Evo 120mm, Cooling Fan

-Asus Z97-A , Mother board

-8Gb - 2x 4GB Corsair Vengeance DDR3, RAM

-Seasonic M12II Evo 620 (Bronze 80) 620w, PSU

-GTX 570, GPU

-Fractal Design R5 ,Case

It should see me threw for a good couple of years apart from some additional later add on's!

I will let you know mate, i'll post a few pic's of the build and a completed picture when she's done..

So basically all this debate about intel and AMD is useless concerning a game, and money waste, you can upgrade a performance much more by getting an SSD than a processor who runs in an old type disk.

Hi seawolf, OK just to be clear this is not just a computer solely for gaming or for one particular game it's going to be my computer period.. meaning it's going to be used for everything i do online (which is a lot) but for the first time for me it's going to be acomputer that I am able to and will be able to play games on for the foreseeable futer..

April 27, 2015

Just to let people know, I recently upgraded a 770 to a 970 and ran some tests.

I have a fx 8350 (default), 8gb Kingston hyper x 1600, gtx 970 Galax exoc, 750w corsair, Asus (mid range) mb, corsair h110 cooler, Kingston 120gb ssd (where BOS install is) and cooler master hafx (modified to fit the h110)

I tested the game in ultra full aa, in mp and sp in a variety of missions, monitoring, fps, GPU+CPU+ram usage.

First off there is no real max fps gain noticed at all between the 770 and 790 and min fps only increased slightly. It on average is around 40 fps, often falling to 30 and in some cases such as with lots of players, ai or especially with special effects such as spot light or fire it will drop as low as 15 to 20 fps.

GPU usage on average is 50% riseing to a max of around 85% when low to the ground, zoomed or when looking at lots of objects.and the vram was not really close to being used.

CPU usage did only seem to be on three cores and was never higher on a single core than 80%.

All other games I played had a significant performance boost such as far cry 3 that went from 25 fps maxed out to 60 fps.

My conclusion (nothing unexpected) is that BOS performance is heavily based on cpu and that doing what was a big gpu upgrade for most other games had unnoticeable results.

Hope this was interesting I'm now kinda bummed out that I will have to probably have to get a new mobo and Intel cpu to get the full experience

Ow and this was at 1920 1200 60 hz

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April 27, 2015

That seems like a great base to start from, with that MB you should be able to do simple 'one button' overclock with ASUS software, your choice of cooler will allow a decent cooling overhead when you choose to try that option with 'K' CPU, after all that is what it is for

-Intel core i5 quad 4690K , CPU

-Cool Master Hyper 212 Evo 120mm, Cooling Fan

-Asus Z97-A , Mother board

-8Gb - 2x 4GB Corsair Vengeance DDR3, RAM

-Seasonic M12II Evo 620 (Bronze 80) 620w, PSU

-GTX 570, GPU

-Fractal Design R5 ,Case

Another example that for flight sims specifically, CPU single core performance is the main limiting factor in getting basic playable gameplay, a good GPU will then enable you to up the eye candy until you run out of Vram depending on resolution

"Well, here I am, hat in hand and nervously looking around for information?

I could never get Cliffs of Dover to work well in FPS, so I just gave up on it.

Seems, I was wrong. I just recently rebuilt/upgraded my system and found out,

that my old AMD 8350, which ran Cliffs at 30FPS to 13FPS , may have been the culprit?

Now using an overclocked I7 4790K, I downloaded the game again today and nearly fell out of my chair....

I was using the same GFX card as with the 8350, a GTX 770 w/4gig vram.....I saw 100+ FPS and a low in the high 60's.

Those numbers compiled from the "Black Death" clip."

From CoD section.

Seriously (for other people) do not waste money on a new build AMD rig if you are predominately wanting it for Sims, AMD CPU's are great for other types of games but all current Intel CPU's outperform AMD in the important factors for Flight sims, this is no AMD V's Intel fanboy stuff just simple facts..maybe next generation AMD will change but not at present

Cheers Dakpilot

April 27, 2015

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Just to let people know, I recently upgraded a 770 to a 970 and ran some tests.

I have a fx 8350 (default), 8gb Kingston hyper x 1600, gtx 970 Galax exoc, 750w corsair, Asus (mid range) mb, corsair h110 cooler, Kingston 120gb ssd (where BOS install is) and cooler master hafx (modified to fit the h110)

I tested the game in ultra full aa, in mp and sp in a variety of missions, monitoring, fps, GPU+CPU+ram usage.

First off there is no real max fps gain noticed at all between the 770 and 790 and min fps only increased slightly. It on average is around 40 fps, often falling to 30 and in some cases such as with lots of players, ai or especially with special effects such as spot light or fire it will drop as low as 15 to 20 fps.

GPU usage on average is 50% riseing to a max of around 85% when low to the ground, zoomed or when looking at lots of objects.and the vram was not really close to being used.

CPU usage did only seem to be on three cores and was never higher on a single core than 80%.

All other games I played had a significant performance boost such as far cry 3 that went from 25 fps maxed out to 60 fps.

My conclusion (nothing unexpected) is that BOS performance is heavily based on cpu and that doing what was a big gpu upgrade for most other games had unnoticeable results.

Hope this was interesting I'm now kinda bummed out that I will have to probably have to get a new mobo and Intel cpu to get the full experience

Ow and this was at 1920 1200 60 hz

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January 5, 2020

G'day all

I know this thread is old but i have just joined and have itching to get back into the flight sims ect.

Any help with a build would be appreciated as i have been out of the PC loop for years.

I have a budget of around $2500 Australian for a build, and if anyone can point me in the right direction for joysticks - rudders - hotas etc. would be great as well

I was flying Il2 46 with a squad about 10 years ago and have been out of it for ages

Thanks in advance for any help

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