Sunde Posted April 11, 2015 Posted April 11, 2015 I am happy for you. As I said, value varies from person to person. And thanks, when I want my WWII CFS kick, there are 2 I play valued at that price that I enjoy. But thanks for the concern. Each to his own, openions will always differ, atleast its nice to have the option to choose.
Livai Posted April 11, 2015 Posted April 11, 2015 The idea that creating an entirely new game engine would be cheaper than porting DX12 into an existing engine (your claim), is absurd. Look, this spoiler has the solution if CloD and BoS do Fusion
[KWN]T-oddball Posted April 11, 2015 Posted April 11, 2015 It is $10 less than what I paid for BoS.. which as an early access flyer I got for $10 less than it is now... How much do you think EL would pay for a DLC that contained nothing more than the return of key features such as local host, CO-OP,HL? I can't speak for EL but I would pay 59.95 for that ...simple because it would bring a lot of the community back together and put this ship on a more "corrected" (there are still other issues that need to be dealt with) course.
BlitzPig_EL Posted April 11, 2015 Posted April 11, 2015 Precisely. I'll gladly spend money on something that I feel is good return on investment. In it's current state BoS/BoM is not doing that for me. Trust me that I say I dearly want it to. I love WW2 air combat simulation, I like being part of the "community", and I want this genre to carry on, but without a sense that this, or any, title is moving in a positive direction, my money stays in my wallet. The original, [i[real[/i], IL2 set a very high standard, any developer that takes up that mantle and disregards that is walking on think ice. 1
6./ZG26_Emil Posted April 11, 2015 Posted April 11, 2015 How much do you think EL would pay for a DLC that contained nothing more than the return of key features such as local host, CO-OP,HL? I can't speak for EL but I would pay 59.95 for that ...simple because it would bring a lot of the community back together and put this ship on a more "corrected" (there are still other issues that need to be dealt with) course. I would pay a damn sight more than 60 bucks for HL support or an in game version plus those other things and no I am not joking.
1CGS LukeFF Posted April 12, 2015 1CGS Posted April 12, 2015 Five years, and it was luthier. It was both Oleg and Luthier.
1CGS LukeFF Posted April 12, 2015 1CGS Posted April 12, 2015 Lots of them are hoping for a Western developer to step up and bring out a WW2 sim, because frankly, our friends in Moscow just don't get it. And yet, here we are, who knows how many years after RoF was first published and now BoS. If they didn't "get it" they would have given this gig up long ago. Seriously, you lowball this development team way, way too much.
Bearcat Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 Yeah a meal for two here is like $14 when I can afford it.... And I don't go to the movie theater... Was hoping to buy it this Friday but insurance and credit card payment leaves me with less than $120 for the rest of the week.... I agree DCS is a rip. It is interesting if you really want to learn all the tech stuff of flying a specific aircraft... But they have no way of getting my money at the moment. For the record.. you can get the DCS P-51, 109 and 190 for $39 till Monday.. After that it will be back up to $130 just for those 3 planes.. and of course the modern day DCS World map is free. It kinda puts the $169 I spent on BoS & BoM into perspective... Way too many people seem to be under the impression that they know exactly what goes into this particular game, and that the devs are working on the streets in the middle of winter begging for bread in between programming. The only people who know where the money is going is the company, and being a Russian one I doubt you will see the figures. And how big is 1c? Last time I read about them, they were far from being a small indie producer...... Fact is the value of a purchase varies from person to person. I would pay $300 for a sim that had features from IL246 like a dynamic campaign, and large formations, and mods, and custom graphics, etc. etc. I value BoS currently at $9 right now. That's my value, and its probably different than others. Yeah well... if it was easy everyone would be doing it. $9 huh... well ... I don't know what to tell you. Just think.. if you sold your copy for $20 you'd be making a killing then eh... You also need to stop with the backhanded Russian comments.. That is totally uncalled for and I tell you what.. I bet there is a reason why the last 5 sim projects all came from Russian developers.. When you show me an American or other developer team that discloses their books to the public you can speculate in that vein in the meantime knock off the derogatory nationalistic comments. I can only imagine how frustrating it must be for every single thing that you do, no matter what to be met with comments like some of the ones in this thread from some circles. I for one am glad that they keep on and that they are sticking to their plan and not letting this kind of stuff sway them or stop the progress. 1
SCG_Space_Ghost Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 For the record.. you can get the DCS P-51, 109 and 190 for $39 till Monday.. After that it will be back up to $130 just for those 3 planes.. and of course the modern day DCS World map is free. It kinda puts the $169 I spent on BoS & BoM into perspective... P's and Q's in terms of modeling. 1
BlitzPig_EL Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 At DCS's pace of development, I'll be dead long before they have anything that remotely looks like a WW2 sim, and even if they released one tomorrow, I simply won't pay their exorbitant prices. 2
LLv34_Flanker Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 S! EL pretty much sums it up. Especially about the taking mantle of original IL-2 and living by it's high standard. Cliffs of Dover ended that saga in a less spectacular way, which was a shame. TF is keeping it alive, which is good. 777/1C took the mantle of IL-2 and people for a reason were excited. Finally the saga continues. IMHO it did not and they have not brought anything close to the original IL-2, especially when it comes to developer - customer relation. There was not a single person in Oleg's team belittling people and blocking any feedback as irrelevant, like here. Oleg's team really listened and made changes, if applicable. But they never hid behind "sikrit dokjuments" or any other excuse nor resorted to threatening or calling customers idiots. I should know, because was with IL-2 since earliest betas until 1946 and communicated with Oleg & Team a fair deal over the years. It is not about the money for me, I can afford to spend some hard earned on my hobby. It is about the mentality and behavior of dev team members that matters to me. And that drove me off from BoS and any future expansion they are making. One single man did that in a couple blows. Add to that the stubborn attitude on any changes and really lost interest. 3
BraveSirRobin Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 Lots of them are hoping for a Western developer to step up and bring out a WW2 sim, because frankly, our friends in Moscow just don't get it. It's a pity too, as Oleg sure did, at least during the time of the real IL2. Yes, hard to believe that no Western developers have jumped on this grenade. Just think of the millions (of pennies) they could make...
AvengerSeawolf Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 For the record.. you can get the DCS P-51, 109 and 190 for $39 till Monday.. After that it will be back up to $130 just for those 3 planes.. and of course the modern day DCS World map is free. It kinda puts the $169 I spent on BoS & BoM into perspective... I would like to have these planes but the fact there is no WWII theater in there is draws me back. I'd better save for the BoM. IMO this one BOS is overall the top WWII flight sim at the moment. WIth over all I mean all these factors , like graphics , modeling, FM, and effects combined. Yes it misses bits and pieces, like some other season maps ( which they are on the way any time soon) and probably a better visibility cockpit for the FW190, but I think all can be corrected in the near future.Having said that it would be helpful for all the people for the next release to have a manual and at least a good tutorial for the mission editor of the game. As far as other sims go i.e il2 1946 and so on I wouldn't give more than 9$ which so it was when I recently bought the complete package containing all il2 releases.Outdated graphics and the same ol crapy FM's for the Bf 109, uninstalled it right away. Personally I would like to have 3 planes to fly and be great than a whole lot and be just a load of BS. 1
=81FG=HellKitten Posted April 14, 2015 Author Posted April 14, 2015 My thoughts on war thunder is that it's quantity over quality. The cockpits are of pretty poor quality all 2d. The planes don't fly like real planes(I'm a real world pilot and own a Yak-52) Yes it's free but the multiplayer mode is horrible ie once you crash you have to leave the session or just watch others fly...I fly war thunder some but only because my little brother wants to fly with me and he's to cheap to buy a real sim. I only fly WT when my friends want to play with me too. Its really poorly designed sim and i really cant stand it. But im just saying, they know how to attract ppl and make money.
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted April 14, 2015 Posted April 14, 2015 (edited) inb4 unreasonable lock. Edited April 14, 2015 by MiG21bisFishbedL
Zak Posted April 14, 2015 Posted April 14, 2015 inb4 unreasonable lock. 1 day of read-only for trolling 4
Mac_Messer Posted April 14, 2015 Posted April 14, 2015 2 cinema tickets and a meal for 2 £68 I personally don't think that the price is that unreasonable, could it be cheaper, yes indeed but that goes for most things in life. Can you try to actually think outside of your own box please? Not all of the world is British/American. Russians have their own priced version of BoS but the rest of the world pretty much has to pay what you pay, only that they do not make nearly enough money. Where I live BoS costs more than your typical premiere AAA game. Deluxe version costs what a decent stick&throttle setup costs. If BoS/BoM wants to cater to a broader audience, the prices aren`t helping that. 1
Mac_Messer Posted April 14, 2015 Posted April 14, 2015 (edited) Precisely. I'll gladly spend money on something that I feel is good return on investment. In it's current state BoS/BoM is not doing that for me. Trust me that I say I dearly want it to. I love WW2 air combat simulation, I like being part of the "community", and I want this genre to carry on, but without a sense that this, or any, title is moving in a positive direction, my money stays in my wallet. The original, [i[real[/i], IL2 set a very high standard, any developer that takes up that mantle and disregards that is walking on think ice. Yes, because I get the impression that BoS/BoM developpers are trying to invent the wheel for the second time. Edited April 14, 2015 by Mac_Messer
[TWB]80hd Posted April 14, 2015 Posted April 14, 2015 P's and Q's in terms of modeling. P-39Q CONFIRMED
6./ZG26_Custard Posted April 14, 2015 Posted April 14, 2015 (edited) Can you try to actually think outside of your own box please? Not all of the world is British/American. Russians have their own priced version of BoS but the rest of the world pretty much has to pay what you pay, only that they do not make nearly enough money. Where I live BoS costs more than your typical premiere AAA game. Deluxe version costs what a decent stick&throttle setup costs. If BoS/BoM wants to cater to a broader audience, the prices aren`t helping that. I do and regarding how much people earn, I'm at the lower end of the spectrum for pay in my country. Where does reasonable pricing stop and a company being able to continue operating end? Look what happened to Clod when it tried to be everything to everyone? That only carries on because of a group of dedicate modders, who most probably don't want to lose their player base to a game like BoS. How much is reasonable? You are looking at around 9 dollars an aircraft. Other than dead in the water (company folded) sims that are taken over by the community this sim is very reasonably priced compared to others on the market. There are so many folks on here saying that nobody is online and how empty the servers are but with respect I try to get online nearly everyday and a lot of the folks complaining, I never see online. Maybe if that strapped themselves into the cockpit more often they would start enjoying this sim more. Edited April 14, 2015 by OriginalCustard 1
=CFC=Conky Posted April 14, 2015 Posted April 14, 2015 (edited) Hello all, Where I live the aircraft end up costing about ten dollars each if you buy the premium version of BoM. This is pretty reasonable compared to what the kites cost over at RoF, unless of course you are not interested in some of the aircraft. Where the current business model might run into issues is if each and every subsequent expansion pack ends up in the $80US range. But then again, maybe not, all you have to do is think about how much people are spending on pre-orders for Star Citizen ships/weapons/virtual currency. Compared to that, BoS/BoM/Bo-(Insert favourite campaign) seems downright cheap . Good hunting, CFC_Conky Edited April 14, 2015 by CFC_Conky 2
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