War Thunder or World of XXXXX?

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

No idea, there are 2 more Zeros in flying condition but are powered by some P&W. And thats all I know. 

[GOAT-ACEOFACES]

And to use that localhost, you open the game -> click on test flight - > set 100 % fuel and reference aircraft -> click to start it -> pause the game -> alt+tab -> open localhost in browser and here you go.

You can pause game any time you wish and alt tab to check the values.

Did some testing..

 

This so called localhost is just generic network name you can use in place of your IP address..

 

So, you can type in

 

http://localhost:8111/

 

or

 

//192.168.#.#:8111/

 

And get the same result (Where you would replace the # with your actual IP addr, may need to change the 192.168 too)

 

And even better, if your behind a switch, as most are, you can use another PC to display the data.. Only you would not be able to use the 'localhost' name in that would pertain to the 2nd PC address, you would have to type in the address of your game PC.

 

Neat thing is, it displays more than the aircraft data, it display the map your on and the chat box and some other status stuff..

 

And it works when you are ONLINE!

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

Yeah, those who have 2nd monitor can use it as a radar. 

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Did some testing..This so called localhost is just generic network name you can use in place of your IP address..So, you can type inhttp://localhost:8111/or//192.168.#.#:8111/And get the same result (Where you would replace the # with your actual IP addr, may need to change the 192.168 too)And even better, if your behind a switch, as most are, you can use another PC to display the data.. Only you would not be able to use the 'localhost' name in that would pertain to the 2nd PC address, you would have to type in the address of your game PC.Neat thing is, it displays more than the aircraft data, it display the map your on and the chat box and some other status stuff..And it works when you are ONLINE!

Localhost is the loop back address: 127.0.0.1

[GOAT-ACEOFACES]

Localhost is the loop back address: 127.0.0.1

Agreed.. And that all works if your running it all from the PC that the game is running on..

 

But my point was you can use 'another' PC to display the data on, by simplying typing in the address of the PC that the game is running on from the 'other' PC's web browser

 

On that note, is there a list of the data displayed? or beter yet the format of the message?

 

PS Im up to ~$800 spent on gold coins!

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Agreed.. And that all works if your running it all from the PC that the game is running on..

 

But my point was you can use 'another' PC to display the data on, by simplying typing in the address of the PC that the game is running on from the 'other' PC's web browser

 

On that note, is there a list of the data displayed? or beter yet the format of the message?

 

PS Im up to ~$800 spent on gold coins!

 

Well, yeah... You're contacting a remote host if you're using their IP... That makes sense.

 

DNS is the only reason we resolve the IP address of 777's site as "forum.il2sturmovik.com" otherwise we'd be contacting their public IP (pre-NAT) address to communicate with their remote host (server) as well.

 

I will stop with the OT, though.

 

I am not sure if there is a list/format.

 

I only bought the premium Dora the years ago that I tried WT - I personally am glad I never let it go past that.

[GOAT-ACEOFACES]

I only bought the premium Dora the years ago that I tried WT - I personally am glad I never let it go past that.

I have to admit.. the more I learn about WT the more impressed I am.. Granted, for the most part it is Quakie.. but, it does have a base that can be used for some pretty darn fun and realistic air and ground wars.. And they are adding more in a few months than sims like DCS and 1C/777 add in a few years.. Oh and for those that miss the co-ops of IL2, the WT online missions is about as close as you can come to it IMHO

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Its a two bladed sword though. WT utilizes great simplification with acessebility and a free market model to (at least try) to catch a wide audience of players.

 

It's a permanent magnet for new players distracting them from the rest of the flight market because well, its free.

 

This reduces the number of potential customers for other, more serious products like BoS (which again is not the hardcore sim and also aims for acessebility).

 

The real bad influrence of WT can clearly be seen in BoS. Unlocks and meaningless xp you earn in unsatifyimg missions only for the sake of unlocking stuff, limited customizebility in controlls, graphic settings and difficulty, MP limited to small numbers of players ect. It's clearly influrenced by the more or less sucessfull fast paced action battles in WT.

 

So it does pose an issue even if not totally influrential on the flight market.

 

As a sim player WT has really not much joyfull to offer unless you like to sink some good money. More aircrafts and maps just cant make up for lack of players, MM, FMs, DMs, economy model being totally off and mission design.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

I have to admit.. the more I learn about WT the more impressed I am.. Granted, for the most part it is Quakie.. but, it does have a base that can be used for some pretty darn fun and realistic air and ground wars.. And they are adding more in a few months than sims like DCS and 1C/777 add in a few years.. Oh and for those that miss the co-ops of IL2, the WT online missions is about as close as you can come to it IMHO

 

I am a quality > quantity guy myself.

 

It's all a matter of opinion but I don't "get" quality from what WT does.

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

I have to admit.. the more I learn about WT the more impressed I am.. Granted, for the most part it is Quakie.. but, it does have a base that can be used for some pretty darn fun and realistic air and ground wars.. And they are adding more in a few months than sims like DCS and 1C/777 add in a few years.. Oh and for those that miss the co-ops of IL2, the WT online missions is about as close as you can come to it IMHO

 

The base is great but potential is wasted. Their engine is based on old Il-2, the flight models from 30+ parameters in Il-2 turned into over 100+ parameters but again its in many ways wasted potential. The game could be as realistic as engine allows, but in many ways its simplified ...

 

They are adding more and more because they have a over 130 developers if I recall, but its not really a great tempo if compared to other mmo projects. Last autumn was released a patch in late September or early October after ... 6 months. In the meantime games like WoT do that in about 2 months. And besides, I second what Adler said - quality over quantity. 

[Jaws2002]

I don't care about their air combat at all, but with the tanks I have a lot of fun.

Maybe this is because I just take it for what it is: just a fun game and I don't have the expectations I would have for a sim.

I got some cool kit in my tank hangar and I have tons of fun. I bought the Jagdpanther and I have a lot of fun with it. No turret, can't maneuver, close in with the agile tanks, but I love stalking , flanking and shooting that awesome 88mm Pak43.

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

Well Aceofaces, that they publish datasheet does not mean much as even the very simplified, they still contain many mistakes, such as this one for example :

http://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/234534-ki-21-1-ko/

 

And not many of the responsible for FM's even check them to reply to a feedback ...

 

Anyway, today comes a major update -> http://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/236025-war-thunder-update-1701945/

[ST_ami7b5]

I fire it from time to time just for fun, but the absence of practically all bombers'  cockpits (the only exception being Peskhas iirc) is the biggest drawback for me.

I agree with Jaws, tanks are quite a fun - but incomparable with planes for me.

[SOLIDKREATE]

I gave my account away to my friends son. I was maxed out in the US tree and the German Tree and half way through every other tree. And I had three packs too. I gave it away because I realized over the course of two years that I spent $600 USD. Sorry this game is not worth that at all. To each his own though.

 

They do have an impressive amount of planes though.

[361fundahl]

When I flew and landed the planes and used mouse mode.... Definitely didn't like the air portion compared to BOS. The TANKS however.... That shit is fun!

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Well I'm also checking out their new updates (only major ones) from time to timeand fly some planes in testflight. After all I have to say I have most respect for WT's artists. The new aircrafts look fantastic and have (most of them) great cockpits with nice dials and details. The Hs 129 cockpit that came with this update is among the best by far and I hope to be able to enjoy it one day.

 

I also like the Firefly and Skyraider very much and they both look great ingame. Since my joystick is broken atm I had to test them with mouse joy though so I can't judge FMs as for now.

 

There's still a lot to do to make sim battles more enjoyable and attractive again (as it was 2 years ago). They once mentioned a permanent gameplay mode for sim battles, I wonder why this idea has not been developed further by now (ironicly this feauture has been suggested by the comunity since closed beta of the game and rejected since, but well).

Edited May 1, 2015 by Stab/JG26_5tuka

[ST_ami7b5]

...

The Hs 129 cockpit that came with this update is among the best by far and I hope to be able to enjoy it one day.

...

 

Yes, it's very nice, I have flown her for a while yesterday,

Also Me-410 has beautiful cockpit.

[361fundahl]

Its just hard for me to support "pay to win" and subscription games.... But I understand the reasoning behind it.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Flew a couple of rounds with squa d mates again with my beloved Hs 129 going for tank strafing and took out some decent ammount of T-34s and bunkers in one mission. It was indeed fun sitting in this crumped bucket tying to identify targets and blasting them to oblivioun with the Bk.7,5cm, though the aircraft is not behaving very believable sometimes.

 

Just wanted to mention this to show that WT can be fun and has it's charme but it is overshadowed by all the flaws it still has. The 3 other rounds we flew ended all the same: 1st killed by unpredictable Gaijin-stall, second blasted by spraying 45mm armed Yak-9K, 3rd being killed merciless by a 3 years later build La-7.

 

Anyway here's an inside view of my beloved "bucket"

Edited May 2, 2015 by Stab/JG26_5tuka

[Feathered_IV]

Nice trees 

[Guest deleted@30725]

The whole unlock system kills it for me, not to mention how DCS / bom / bos is slowly replicating most of the stuff I want to fly in more detail.

 

Tanks can be fun, but a lot of rng chance in wt.

 

Fun little game strangled by the f2p model.

[Feathered_IV]

Is it true that none of the bombers have cockpits and must be flown in external view?

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

It is. They were supposed to start receiving them since this patch if I recall, I know that Ki-21 was supposed to be one of the first bombers to have one. But it did not happen. 

 

So yeah, you have a 3rd person view in your bomber when flying a simulation mode. That gives a huge advantage especially when it comes to defending yourself from enemy fighters. 

[ST_ami7b5]

Is it true that none of the bombers have cockpits and must be flown in external view?

 

Yes, afaik only Peshkas have cockpits ATM.

I can't fly with HOTAS/TIR using external view, so I use no cockpit/wonder woman view.

Which is ridiculous and kills all immersion.

 

They say bombers' pits will be done eventually , but they say that for years

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

At some point they even said bomber pits would first appear after full release (means after ships and World War mode) because they were too timeconsuming just after they teased the comunity with a bomber cockpit pack including the B-24 Liberator and others

 

So yea they've been snakign around this decision for long and in a very strange way. I've yet to see any game development as inconsisdent as WT's (well BoS also was inconsisdent, but at least not to that degree).

 

Just checked the new premium vehicle prices. The new premium Sherman Calliope costs no less than 65€ (10k eagles) and many other are no far behind. Not even World of Tanks has such a rude marketing model.

[Feathered_IV]

Thanks Ami.  That is a real shame about the cockpits.

65 Euro for a single arcade tank is crimminal. 

[361fundahl]

Yeah its fucking stupid. Star citizen is doing the same bullshit. But whatever, they care about money more than passion and people will pay.

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

They also have those superb damage models :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=143&v=udLaIWzqnoo

[GOAT-ACEOFACES]

65 Euro for a single arcade tank is crimminal. 

To each his own, its all relative and its only money!

 

I have spent close to $1,000.00 on War Thunder so far..

 

Best $1k I ever spent on a game!

 

Still have not done too much with the planes yet, just having too much fun with the tank battles.. And the new US tanks in v1.70 are hella fun! I have all but 2 US tanks unlocked thus far.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

-snip-

 

Welcome back.

 

It started getting boring (at least moreso than normal) around here... I thought you had died or something.

 

Let's agree to disagree about something!

[GOAT-ACEOFACES]

Let's agree to disagree about something!

I am the best looking sim pilot bar none

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

To each his own, its all relative and its only money!

Only money, yet millions struggle every day to earn them 

Welcome back Ace ! 

Edited May 13, 2015 by =LD=Hiromachi

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

I am the best looking sim pilot bar none

 

No, I am the best looking. 

 

$1000 on WT is pretty crazy, though... I didn't fiddle with the tanks at all and I hardly used the D-13 I bought before I moved on to what I consider to be bigger and better things.

Edited May 13, 2015 by 4./JG26_Adler

[GOAT-ACEOFACES]

Only money, yet millions struggle every day to earn them 

Only to have goverments take it from those who struggle and give it to those who don't

 

Welcome back Ace !

Thanks.. but to be honest, I didn't realize I had left!

 

No, I am the best looking. 

That is your opinion and your welcome to it!

 

$1000 on WT is pretty crazy, though...

Enh.. one mans crazy is another mans norm

 

I didn't fiddle with the tanks at all and I hardly used the D-13 I bought before I moved on to what I consider to be bigger and better things.

WWII Tanks and planes.. Im just craz.. NORMAL for em!

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

 

 

Only to have goverments take it from those who struggle and give it to those who don't

Yeah, I know something about that. Any time I buy a gasoline for a car it turns that half (or closer to 60% ) of the price is made from taxes. Its just great

 

 

 

Thanks.. but to be honest, I didn't realize I had left!

 

I did not say you left You just were not around for some time !

[GOAT-ACEOFACES]

Back on topic.. Did you guys see this?

 

http://wiki.warthunder.com/index.php?title=Flight_model_creation

 

I wish all flight simulation makers put this much effort into FM explanations as War Thunder has

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

It's only if you dont take into account that mostly they are programmers, not qualified engineers. So when they make a judgment like this :

 

After many attempts to repeat the strange and inconsistent afterburner behavior, we came to the conclusion that the aircraft prototype that was tested most likely flew with a defective compressor which provided insufficient air pressure at speed two. There are references to the defect in the report itself. After a long discussion of the situation, we took the decision to “install” a “corrected” engine on the aircraft. 

I'm strongly convinced they do not consider possibility that their tools are bugged or that they have adopted some wrong data. Because it looks very unwise to make such statement when you sit in front of your PC with some report and you estimate such thing, yet people involved in developing the aircraft failed to spot such thing. 

 

 

[...] when we copied the characteristics of an already existing and operational engine in the game and wrote in all the aircraft’s remaining characteristics, the aircraft flew significantly better than the report indicated (at afterburner speed two). According to the report, the afterburner speed switched over at entirely the wrong height ranges [...]

Yet again ... and they also didnt spot that afterburner =/= supercharger.

 

You see Ace, its nice that they can explain this things like they did with the armour penetration mechanics or other things. But it does not change the fact that WT flight models just dont have too many issues. So just remember, at the end of the day, War Thunder is about providing entertainment for money, and if that's what Gaijin achieves, then regardless of their failures as military analysts or aeronautical engineers, their job is done.

I dont treat it on a simulation level like I treat BoS or DCS. 

[ST_ami7b5]

... and those (no) bombers cockpits...

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

Cockpits like cockpits, it hurts far more that in sim mode fighter pilots got to manage their machines with stick and have limited view due to cockpit and yet bomber users can use a third person view to aim their guns and can do it using mouse. So not only cockpits are issue, but the absence of gunner positions.

[ST_ami7b5]

Cockpits like cockpits, it hurts far more that in sim mode fighter pilots got to manage their machines with stick and have limited view due to cockpit and yet bomber users can use a third person view to aim their guns and can do it using mouse. So not only cockpits are issue, but the absence of gunner positions.

 

This is what I am talking about the other way round