Battle of Moscow: To Buy In or Not To Buy In, THAT is the Question!

April 7, 2015

One of the things that does concern me, and I've noticed this in Veterans Missions.....my computer really slows down with battle action occurring down on the ground. I really hope they can improve this ground war aspect of the game, or it's going to be darn hard to simulate the war on the Eastern Front...which was alive with ground action and ground pounding from the air. Air combat...seems to be no real drag on my system...it's the ground elements....

April 7, 2015

We all have our stories. This is mine. Will I buy Battle of Moscow? Yes, I will. Why? Because I want to. But like some others it will be awhile before I do so. I've watched the price of games climb steadily from $39 to $79 over the years. This has given me some concerns but is out of my hands. I can only guess at the WHY behind the cost increases and I wont speculate here.

Its rare to see games at $79. It is not the mainstream. Its especially odd for a game like this that is pretty bare bones of content. People will say its a niche market, and I will say so are cRPG's (as well as other genres), yet 2 have been released in the past year with indie developers and they were not close to being 80 bones. Take into the fact the Russian version was 10 bucks and it IS a head scratcher.

Games used to be $49.99 for new. Newer consoles made the new games jump to $59.99 (with excuse of DVD format being more expensive etc), while PC games hovered in the $39. - $59 range. Also pre-orders used to be used to assure you got the game with limited shipments. The game was done by the time it hit stores. Now pre order is done to get money up front on unfinished games.

No more "prove its a good game" before you get my money. Nope. This is just one reason people are upset over not only BoS but other games.

April 7, 2015

Well, everyone is going into this one with eyes wide open. Buy it or don't - every one has their own set of preferences, their own budgets, their own ideas of value, their own expectations. All you can do is sum up your own, decide, then get on with your life.

April 7, 2015

Well, everyone is going into this one with eyes wide open. Buy it or don't - every one has their own set of preferences, their own budgets, their own ideas of value, their own expectations. All you can do is sum up your own, decide, then get on with your life.

Really? I don't agree. People posting things like "I don't care, I am just supporting the genre", and "I know it needs work, but here is money anyway", does not seem like the eyes are open at all.

Even if you love what this game is currently I have a hard time understanding not waiting for a completed game. But hey that's just my opinion.

April 7, 2015

Even if you love what this game is currently I have a hard time understanding not waiting for a completed game. But hey that's just my opinion.

I'm saving at least $10.

April 7, 2015

I have a hard time understanding not waiting for a completed game. But hey that's just my opinion.

WE'VE ALWAYS GOT THE SHIRE, RIGHT MERRY?!

April 7, 2015

I bought my first flight simulator in 1990. It was called Red Baron and it cost $49.99. If you run that through an inflation calculator it comes to $90.58. So comparing the cost of BOM to the good old days you would have to conclude that BoM is a great deal!

Edited April 7, 2015 by SYN_Mike77

April 7, 2015

Really? I don't agree. People posting things like "I don't care, I am just supporting the genre", and "I know it needs work, but here is money anyway", does not seem like the eyes are open at all.

Even if you love what this game is currently I have a hard time understanding not waiting for a completed game. But hey that's just my opinion.

That's just it....it's going to need work.....like "forever". The same as we see all the other CFS evolving. What your definition for completed is and mine....well mine is...it will never really be finished. If I enjoy it now...if I can find the good within it....then I'm going to purchase it. It's a pretty sure fact...that it's going to get better. I'm investing in that belief.... and how much time I play the game currently...which is more and more each week.

I have a friend on this forum...won't mention any names...and he's pretty critical of this game......but when he saw that I was purchasing it...rather than say...."are you kidding me" he said......he didn't have the money right now and for me to let him know how it goes. That's because I'll be in a position...having ponied up my money to actually make an "informed" critique of BOM...when it does finally come out. All that's worth it to me. Once again.....I don't fault anyone for waiting this out.....

Edited April 7, 2015 by JagdNeun

April 7, 2015

One of the things that does concern me, and I've noticed this in Veterans Missions.....my computer really slows down with battle action occurring down on the ground. I really hope they can improve this ground war aspect of the game, or it's going to be darn hard to simulate the war on the Eastern Front...which was alive with ground action and ground pounding from the air. Air combat...seems to be no real drag on my system...it's the ground elements....

When I read something like this, then I will surely not buy BoM!!!

This is a game about the aerial element of the ground war and it isn't able to reproduce the ground war as the previous IL2's could!

As it seems that is because of the limitations of the DN engine, maybe with a new version of the game engine it will become a game worth buying, it isn't there yet.

Edited April 7, 2015 by I./ZG15_robtek

April 7, 2015

I only buy with small content in hopes that one day I will have a whole database like il2 1946.... Hopefully they will realize that paying $20 for one virtual plane is pretty ridiculous though.... I will have paid a total of $100 to have all the planes in BOS... When I even pre-ordered it (early access)

Not only that.... I haven't even began to afford all of BOS and now BOM is coming out as a "full price" game it seems..... When really it is an "expansion pack" and maybe should be priced as so?

April 7, 2015

One of the things that does concern me, and I've noticed this in Veterans Missions.....my computer really slows down with battle action occurring down on the ground. I really hope they can improve this ground war aspect of the game, or it's going to be darn hard to simulate the war on the Eastern Front...which was alive with ground action and ground pounding from the air. Air combat...seems to be no real drag on my system...it's the ground elements....

When I read something like this, then I will surely not buy BoM!!!

This is a game about the aerial element of the ground war and it isn't able to reproduce the ground war as the previous IL2's could!

As it seems that is because of the limitations of the DN engine, maybe with a new version of the game engine it will become a game worth buying, it isn't there yet.

Yes...that's true, but I've been told to reduce my resolution....I will give that a go. Veterans mission have a lot of ground activity...But if this continues to be an issue for me...it will take away from the realism and immersion.

System Specs

AMD FX4170 @ 4.3 GHz

8GB System RAM

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 770

Edited April 7, 2015 by JagdNeun

April 7, 2015

I remember back in PC day where you got new stuff for free as Mods.... Expansion packs were maybe $20 tops....

Either way I just appreciate that il2 is still around and improving.

April 7, 2015

Summary of BoM purchase dissent:

(All joking aside, can one of you flight sim development/design/production experts please PM me with information on this ultra-top-secret Utopian sim you all are playing/backing/developing/whatever? Because I keep Googling around, and you guys must be really keeping it under wraps...)

April 7, 2015

That's just it....it's going to need work.....like "forever". The same as we see all the other CFS evolving. What your definition for completed is and mine....well mine is...it will never really be finished. If I enjoy it now...if I can find the good within it....then I'm going to purchase it. It's a pretty sure fact...that it's going to get better. I'm investing in that belief.... and how much time I play the game currently...which is more and more each week.

I have a friend on this forum...won't mention any names...and he's pretty critical of this game......but when he saw that I was purchasing it...rather than say...."are you kidding me" he said......he didn't have the money right now and for me to let him know how it goes. That's because I'll be in a position...having ponied up my money to actually make an "informed" critique of BOM...when it does finally come out. All that's worth it to me. Once again.....I don't fault anyone for waiting this out.....

You're right that we all define "completion" different... But I think that one of the fundamental flaws occurring is how things are being worded and received... The misunderstanding that certain people are looking for this game to be polished rather than finished.

1946 is finally nearing completion and Cliffs of Dover is still in the polishing stage... With that being said, in my opinion BOM is on its way in when there were only a few things about BOS that really stood to shine.

And I bet that friend would consider the purchase if he was more confident in the evolution and polishing of this CFS and had the extra money to spend. Maybe he will come around or maybe he won't - that's as much up to the development of this sim as it is up to him.

Edited April 7, 2015 by 4./JG26_Adler

April 7, 2015

And I bet that friend would consider the purchase if he was more confident in the evolution and polishing of this CFS and had the extra money to spend. Maybe he will come around or maybe he won't - that's as much up to the development of this sim as it is up to him.

You know you want that cigar lighter in your 109.....but they're not going to implement that just for you......

Edited April 7, 2015 by JagdNeun

April 7, 2015

You know you want that cigar lighter in your 109.....but they're not going to implement that just for you......

Can I have an F-2 with MG/FF's in the wings?

April 7, 2015

Only MGFF? Think big...

Who can say no to RZ65 wing rocket mounts?

(yea only one prototype made no serial production or combat whatsoever poor russians 109 OP....)

April 7, 2015

This is a game about the aerial element of the ground war and it isn't able to reproduce the ground war as the previous IL2's could!

As it seems that is because of the limitations of the DN engine, maybe with a new version of the game engine it will become a game worth buying, it isn't there yet.

What about all the things BoS can do that IL2:1946 can't do? Why doesn't anyone mention that? How do you weigh that into the obviously ultra-negative world you live in that keeps getting bothered with all these, what are kids calling them these days..."new" things??

I only buy with small content in hopes that one day I will have a whole database like il2 1946.... Hopefully they will realize that paying $20 for one virtual plane is pretty ridiculous though.... I will have paid a total of $100 to have all the planes in BOS... When I even pre-ordered it (early access)

Not only that.... I haven't even began to afford all of BOS and now BOM is coming out as a "full price" game it seems..... When really it is an "expansion pack" and maybe should be priced as so?

How is BoM an expansion pack? It's another pack of 10 different aircraft in a new map...it's equal in size of BoS content-wise...not a supplemental add-on. Bonus for us that it will integrate into any existing BoS installs.

April 7, 2015

I'm still on the fence. I do like the game even if I haven't flown it in months. I'll probably get it at some point, maybe.

April 7, 2015

How do you weigh that into the obviously ultra-negative world you live in

Geez…isn't that a little harsh? His comment was a pretty mild observation.

It's also pretty rich coming from someone that waged all out war against the devs because he got his toys taken away…basically blew up the forums and caused articles to be written on gaming websites, and caused a serious mis-trust between customers and the developer for years to come. Maybe things are different for you now…but maybe you could lighten up on the brow beating of members that make pretty harmless observations?

Just a thought...

April 7, 2015

Geez…isn't that a little harsh? His comment was a pretty mild observation.

It's also pretty rich coming from someone that waged all out war against the devs because he got his toys taken away…basically blew up the forums and caused articles to be written on gaming websites, and caused a serious mis-trust between customers and the developer for years to come. Maybe things are different for you now…but maybe you could lighten up on the brow beating of members that make pretty harmless observations?

Just a thought...

Sorry man, this is text we're dealing with...not everything is an argumentative tone.

Pretty ironic you cite me for "brow beating" with a post that somehow credits me for the entire dev/community debacle.

April 7, 2015

What about all the things BoS can do that IL2:1946 can't do? Why doesn't anyone mention that? How do you weigh that into the obviously ultra-negative world you live in that keeps getting bothered with all these, what are kids calling them these days..."new" things??

How is BoM an expansion pack? It's another pack of 10 different aircraft in a new map...it's equal in size of BoS content-wise...not a supplemental add-on. Bonus for us that it will integrate into any existing BoS installs.

Other than a different FM, DM and more complex models its only eye and ear candy, shallow, no substance for longer motivation, enough for some, not for me.

And of course BoM is a expansion pack, or is there a new, or even improved, game engine involved, or a campaign generator with missions depening on another?

10 new planes and a new map -> expansion!

Not to mention the chuzpe to expect, that the customers should do the game developers job and create missions and campaigns? worth its names.

Edited April 7, 2015 by I./ZG15_robtek

April 7, 2015

Other than a different FM, DM and more complex models

LOL Other than everything about the aircraft, it's no different!!

April 7, 2015

It comes down to that it is all based on individual wants and needs.

When 1c changed their direction in Cliffs of Dover with no TRUE I said TRUE co-op

capability like in IL-2 1946 and then the locks came(Which I did not unlock one)

and unstable server onine play in BOS my perception of where flight simming

changed.

I figured they would of went back to the winning formula I guess not.

Guys that came from Warthunder or Clod have no true idea what we have lost

with the Hyperlobby style of online gaming for over a decade.

Not many Hyperlobby boys here are there? Hell they are still playing there..

I did not even buy the FW-190 of thr LA-5 at 50% off.For what?And to fly where?

It is a choice for those who are satisfied I am happy for you if it is enough I am glad.

I contributed out of respect of the IL-2 series games of the devs and programmers

to let them go forward and earn their living too.

It is time to move on for me anyways.

I still play when there are not too many players on slowing the server down to lag.

We were spoiled with IL-2 1946 series that is all.

I am out at 95$ Cdn it is too high for me for what I was expecting.

April 7, 2015

I enjoy playing BOS and have purchased BOM.

April 7, 2015

Sorry man, this is text we're dealing with...not everything is an argumentative tone.

Pretty ironic you cite me for "brow beating" with a post that somehow credits me for the entire dev/community debacle.

Yeah…maybe I was a little harsh.

Clearly you are a positive force in the sim world…and I'm sure you will help make BOS better. IMO…there are plenty of folks here to counter every negative opinion…perhaps your talents lie elsewhere.

April 7, 2015

As explained above, it is basically an expansion because it uses the same technology and idea but just adds a few maps and planes...... At this rate I'd have to spend over $1,000 to reach the library that is il2:1946....

They should have a lower minimum price and a donate extra option or something.... But I guess $80 for 10 planes is better than $40 for 2 lol....

I'd be willing to pay $10 to unlock both the fw-190 AND la-5... Since they aren't unlockable through the game somehow.... (You don't get the full game with regular game purchase)

Like I said.... I still like il2 and I'm glad they are around and developing.

April 7, 2015

Other than a different FM, DM and more complex models its only eye and ear candy, shallow, no substance for longer motivation, enough for some, not for me.

And of course BoM is a expansion pack, or is there a new, or even improved, game engine involved, or a campaign generator with missions depening on another?

10 new planes and a new map -> expansion!

Not to mention the chuzpe to expect, that the customers should do the game developers job and create missions and campaigns? worth its names.

Chuzpe! I love that word, never seen it in writing before. Had to do a double take...

By your definition BoS is an expansion pack to RoF, so I really don't understand.

I've explained this many times before...the mission editor does support missions depending on another, for online and SP! You can create as many possibilities with as many little details being persistent as you want! It's just that no one has made it yet. I keep telling people that want to do SP co-ops to try to leverage the community and other available resources to make a robust SP/co-op campaign, but they just want to argue on the forums about it instead.

Yes, 777/1C expect a great deal of content to be generated by the community. That's the nature of this genre whether it's liked or disliked. There's nothing wrong with that...look at games like ArmA 2 & 3.

Guys that came from Warthunder or Clod have no true idea what we have lost

with the Hyperlobby style of online gaming for over a decade.

I understand the merits of HyperLobby for IL2:1946, but I have to credit the success of HL to the awful UI that 1946 had, as well as the mechanical requirements of HL in regards to 1946's lacking ease of creating games. I played CloD since just after its release and have never, ever, ever, ever seen anyone in HL playing or waiting to play CloD. I'm beginning to think people don't want HL to fill in some missing feature, but they just want it to hang out and chat in.

April 7, 2015

I bought it because some people all of a sudden had more gold bars under their name than I did... and I said to myself "Self... is this what you are? A single gold-bar having peasant? Is this who you want to be?"

I chuckled to myself and said "No, other self... I am not. Thanks for reminding me."

The End.

Effing hilarious, as usual. Well played...

April 7, 2015

Oh god, I lost my bars in the Great War of The Eagle's Nest #1 when I took a heavy ban to the dome...I'm barless! I'm less than peasant!

Edited April 7, 2015 by AbortedMan

April 7, 2015

Oh god, I lost my bars in the Great War of The Eagle's Nest #1 when I took a heavy ban to the dome...I'm barless! I'm less than peasant!

Screen grab some bars and put it in your avatar picture…problem solved!

April 7, 2015

Screen grab some bars and put it in your avatar picture…problem solved!

I need an artist to make them all war-torn and bloody.

April 7, 2015

Disclaimer: I agree with what most people say about BoS's shortcomings, and am fully aware of all the drama and history of the community. I am not a blind supporter of the sim, I support it with the hopes that given 10+ years of development it will be the go to sim for the old IL-2 1946 crowd.

Yeah it's clear we'll lose some folks along the way, but I think it's sad that so many people have such a diverse variety of hang ups over this sim. I've been a part of the IL-2 community since the first one came out in '02. I didn't get online til '09, fell in love with MP, and out of love with SP. Even a Dev who is fully commited to the most immersive SP experience EVER, can hardly sate my need for competition, coordination and complex mission execution like MP did in 1946 and like MP does now in BoS.

It's sad because while I agree BoS is still a work in progress, the Dev's suffer from having to please EVERYONE, from the unreasonable to the reasonable dissenters. It's unfortunate. It's just not possible, not in this "I have the internet, I have a voice, my way or the highway age"... Because people are unable or unwilling to try to adapt to what is likely the best chance for the continuation of an NEW IL-2 franchise (under new management). I've been with BoS since early access. As you can see I've supported BoM. I consider myself a hardcore simmer, but that doesn't mean I REQUIRE BoS or BoM to hit on ALL Hardcore cylinders from day 1 for me to enjoy it. I am enjoyng the journey, and making new friends online. I'm not going to give up. Why? Original IL-2 didn't have clickable cockpits and DMs down to the individual rivet. It also had massive controversy in it's FMs and they were constantly influx in HSFX, UP mod, and now CUP. Yeah I bitched about it then, and I still bitch about it in BoS, but the ONLY WAY to make this sim better is with the support of the community, and people willing to adapt to the realities of the 2015 Flight Sim market.

Take ownership of your hobby, and this sim.

Last night I met online a young kid from Australia and spent an hour walking him through EVERYTHING he needs to know to play BoS, from "How do I find bad guys" to "how do I fight well in airplane X against Airplane Y?" It is a Herculean effort and will likely take many more sessions, but why did I do that? Because I am committed to the Flight sim community and to the hobby. This hobby, this community is DIFFERENT than others. I am not saying that everyone has to fork over their money now for BoM or not be considered part of the community, but all the vitriol and shite that gets spewed on this and other forums is going to kill the COMMUNITY. When that happens, good luck finding a place to live out your WWII combat fantasies. Yeah I have DCS, I have CloD, but they all have their shortcomings. I choose IL-2.

I get online every night on the West Coast at around 6pm. (9pm East coast, 11 am Australia,) and commune with a great group of folks on TS3 in the Eagles Nest. The folks who run it are doing amazing things with multiplayer. YOU WANT an immersive SP experience? The answer is MP on the Eagles Nest. Come TS3 and join red flight or blue flight. Establish Leader wingman roles and go hunting 109s over Rynok. Escort He-111s trying to resupply Grishin to win the battle, or Escort poor Roo5ter in his hapless Stuka as he pounds XIV Panzer Corps armor columns pincing the city of Stalingrad.

Yeah the numbers are low, but we still have fun. If everyone else quit bitching and just showed up we'd have a full server with great missions and a great experience for all.

GUYS! It's all here (well most of it). We just need to come together and make it happen. Hell it's already happening, and YOU...ARE...MISSING...IT.

April 7, 2015

For me, absolutely not, do not throw away money for a game with a ridiculous copy/paste SP campaign "same as Rise of Flight".

Expect to see BoS finished.

Maybe if BoM deserves I buy it when is 100% finished. I repeat do not throw away any more money for nothing

April 7, 2015

Oh god, I lost my bars in the Great War of The Eagle's Nest #1 when I took a heavy ban to the dome...I'm barless! I'm less than peasant!

April 7, 2015

Disclaimer: I agree with what most people say about BoS's shortcomings, and am fully aware of all the drama and history of the community. I am not a blind supporter of the sim, I support it with the hopes that given 10+ years of development it will be the go to sim for the old IL-2 1946 crowd.

Yeah it's clear we'll lose some folks along the way, but I think it's sad that so many people have such a diverse variety of hang ups over this sim. I've been a part of the IL-2 community since the first one came out in '02. I didn't get online til '09, fell in love with MP, and out of love with SP. Even a Dev who is fully commited to the most immersive SP experience EVER, can hardly sate my need for competition, coordination and complex mission execution like MP did in 1946 and like MP does now in BoS.

It's sad because while I agree BoS is still a work in progress, the Dev's suffer from having to please EVERYONE, from the unreasonable to the reasonable dissenters. It's unfortunate. It's just not possible, not in this "I have the internet, I have a voice, my way or the highway age"... Because people are unable or unwilling to try to adapt to what is likely the best chance for the continuation of an NEW IL-2 franchise (under new management). I've been with BoS since early access. As you can see I've supported BoM. I consider myself a hardcore simmer, but that doesn't mean I REQUIRE BoS or BoM to hit on ALL Hardcore cylinders from day 1 for me to enjoy it. I am enjoyng the journey, and making new friends online. I'm not going to give up. Why? Original IL-2 didn't have clickable cockpits and DMs down to the individual rivet. It also had massive controversy in it's FMs and they were constantly influx in HSFX, UP mod, and now CUP. Yeah I bitched about it then, and I still bitch about it in BoS, but the ONLY WAY to make this sim better is with the support of the community, and people willing to adapt to the realities of the 2015 Flight Sim market.

Take ownership of your hobby, and this sim.

Last night I met online a young kid from Australia and spent an hour walking him through EVERYTHING he needs to know to play BoS, from "How do I find bad guys" to "how do I fight well in airplane X against Airplane Y?" It is a Herculean effort and will likely take many more sessions, but why did I do that? Because I am committed to the Flight sim community and to the hobby. This hobby, this community is DIFFERENT than others. I am not saying that everyone has to fork over their money now for BoM or not be considered part of the community, but all the vitriol and shite that gets spewed on this and other forums is going to kill the COMMUNITY. When that happens, good luck finding a place to live out your WWII combat fantasies. Yeah I have DCS, I have CloD, but they all have their shortcomings. I choose IL-2.

I get online every night on the West Coast at around 6pm. (9pm East coast, 11 am Australia,) and commune with a great group of folks on TS3 in the Eagles Nest. The folks who run it are doing amazing things with multiplayer. YOU WANT an immersive SP experience? The answer is MP on the Eagles Nest. Come TS3 and join red flight or blue flight. Establish Leader wingman roles and go hunting 109s over Rynok. Escort He-111s trying to resupply Grishin to win the battle, or Escort poor Roo5ter in his hapless Stuka as he pounds XIV Panzer Corps armor columns pincing the city of Stalingrad.

Yeah the numbers are low, but we still have fun. If everyone else quit bitching and just showed up we'd have a full server with great missions and a great experience for all.

GUYS! It's all here (well most of it). We just need to come together and make it happen. Hell it's already happening, and YOU...ARE...MISSING...IT.

Nothing worthwhile is built overnight. this is first flight Sim where my 109 pees oil on the runway because the engine got shot And I managed to land with some luck. Little things like that entertain me...

April 7, 2015

I bought it because I want to own it. (and also because some of the "critics" annoy me even more than "white knights")

April 7, 2015

~S~ Everyone.

Absolutely in. IL-2 Battle of Stalingrad was fun to watch, and also, to "take part in" it's development. Looking forward to the same process with BoM.

April 8, 2015

Really? I don't agree. People posting things like "I don't care, I am just supporting the genre", and "I know it needs work, but here is money anyway", does not seem like the eyes are open at all.

Even if you love what this game is currently I have a hard time understanding not waiting for a completed game. But hey that's just my opinion.

So just because they don't share your view that means that they are not going into this with open eyes? That is ridiculous. By now .. especially if they already have BoS everyone who decides to buy BoM knows exactly what they are getting.. Unlike some folks though they just have faith that what they are buying will evolve into something greater than it is.. and they don't see it as it is as something that is bad enough for them to not support.. They don't expect the devs to "show them" anything.. For them.. and I am one of "them" .. for the record.. this team has shown me all I need to know and I like what I have seen so far.. I believe that that they want to make a quality flight sim that I will like and find enjoyable.. They will make missteps along the way... as they have in the past.. but based on what BoS is now.. and their stated goals and the diligence to which they have worked to bring BoS to where it is .. I have no doubt that 3 years from now we will see a well done, multi theater sim .. with a varied plane set and an active MP and SP community.

Geez…isn't that a little harsh? His comment was a pretty mild observation.

It's also pretty rich coming from someone that waged all out war against the devs because he got his toys taken away…basically blew up the forums and caused articles to be written on gaming websites, and caused a serious mis-trust between customers and the developer for years to come. Maybe things are different for you now…but maybe you could lighten up on the brow beating of members that make pretty harmless observations?

Just a thought...

Don't go there. Let it go. We are moving forward.. not backward.

Oh god, I lost my bars in the Great War of The Eagle's Nest #1 when I took a heavy ban to the dome...I'm barless! I'm less than peasant!

My Profile>Edit My profile .. scroll to the bottom of that page and you will see a section that says Tags.. there you can check your tags and get your bars.

April 8, 2015

YOU WANT an immersive SP experience? The answer is MP on the Eagles Nest.

Escort poor Roo5ter in his hapless Stuka as he pounds XIV Panzer Corps armor columns pincing the city of Stalingrad.

You had me salivating to go try that server, till I saw that last sentence above. What is Roo5ter doing pounding German armor columns with a Stuka?

I've had to suspend a lot of disbelief to try to get through the BoS SP campaign missions, but I even after all that I don't think I could stretch it quite as far as escorting Stukas on friendly fire missions

Edited April 8, 2015 by TG-55Panthercules

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