Battle of Moscow: To Buy In or Not To Buy In, THAT is the Question!

April 4, 2015

Did you buy in already? Why or why not?

I am debating about it, personally. Without further brutalizing the deceased equine, I did fire up and play BoS for the first time in 4 or 5 months. I enjoyed a fighter mission. I got pretty dinged up and lost a flap, which made for a tricky landing. I survived which was pretty much my goal turning final but my airplane will be deadlined for a bit. Then I watched a wingman mess up his landing even worse. It was a fun end to a fun mission. I decided to buy BoM.

Then I realized again it didn't matter. My squadron has infinite airplanes and infinite pilots to fly them. Immersive!

Then I tried a few quick missions in the Stuka to try to learn dive bombing (failed miserably - my best use for the Stuka is to fly it into the target), and a few missions trying to learn how to bomb from the PE-2 (mostly involved flying back and forth over targets, either never seeing them or not being able to release bombs on time for some reason).

Now I am back on the fence again. Is it worth the investment to buy the game hoping that someone will release a campaign mode worthy of the name?

April 4, 2015

buy

April 4, 2015

I'll not buy it at 80$, nope.

April 4, 2015

Will buy eventually, im a sucker.

April 4, 2015

Yes because it's more fun than the rest of the sims out there warts and all.

I'm fairly vocal about what I don't like and what I think the game needs but so far I like IL2 and hope it continues.

I just hope we get some more features which will improve gameplay for both on and offliners.

April 4, 2015

Then I realized again it didn't matter. My squadron has infinite airplanes and infinite pilots to fly them. Immersive!

Then why not play on a mission based server that has limited aircraft with which you achieve your objectives?

April 4, 2015

Or look in the mission builders forum...there are some user made SP missions already made.

Or heck try making your own.

Jason already said he is working on a 3rd party campaign and looking for help for it.

April 4, 2015

Just dopped a hung on War Thunder the least I can do is buy BoM for 80

April 4, 2015

I will buy premium without second thought if:

- sound issue gets sorted out

- plane FMs right (think it was far to much time to get them "right" in BoS)

- Multiplayer interesting (bigger player count on servers and/or proper immersive small scale missions)

until then i am in the waiting queue

April 4, 2015

I think most of this is just a personal choice and I can understand both sides of this question. I do fly BOS routinely and venture out on some of Veterans missions in conjunction with some of the ones I've made using Lupson's SMB. The last patch showed some steps in the right direction and I believe the future will bring about some AI tweaking and some other needed improvements....I get the feeling from Abortedman that the MP has a future as well...which gives me hope that the game engine can in fact handle more complex missions.

SP is still lacking any real unit historical feel for me.....still a bit sterile with a lack of flight commands and radio banter...but I'm hoping for improvements in this area as well.... All this with the fact that flight sims...need support, and I like the feel of joining in from the ground up......

April 4, 2015

Did you buy in already? Why or why not?

Then I tried a few quick missions in the Stuka to try to learn dive bombing (failed miserably - my best use for the Stuka is to fly it into the target), and a few missions trying to learn how to bomb from the PE-2 (mostly involved flying back and forth over targets, either never seeing them or not being able to release bombs on time for some reason).]quote

Wrt PE-2, did you open bomb bay doors?

April 4, 2015

Not sure what I'll do yet. I'm still wholly unconvinced by the sameness of the available aircraft. The Soviet machines can do pretty much anything the 190 can do and more. For example, at 700 km/h+ a Yak can duplicate any maneuver I might attempt in my 190. Just as galling, so can a 109. At the end of the day, despite massive differences in horsepower I'm also expected to believe that the Soviet fighters performed just like the German ones - in fact, not only were they essentially just as quick, but they turned and rolled and dived just as well if not better - in 1942. Well, I'm not convinced and frankly just don't believe it. I understand that some people just don't care about this stuff. A lot of people seem more focused on wind socks and smoke-filled briefing rooms and the like and good luck to them but I'm more concerned about the fidelity of the aircraft. So, yeah, not sure what I'll do.

April 4, 2015

Yes because it's more fun than the rest of the sims out there warts and all.

I'm fairly vocal about what I don't like and what I think the game needs but so far I like IL2 and hope it continues.

I just hope we get some more features which will improve gameplay for both on and offliners.

problem is Emil if you and everyone else keeps buying early you are sending a message that says they don't need to change or improve anything.

Edited April 4, 2015 by T-oddball

April 4, 2015

No question

Allready orderd

April 4, 2015

Then why not play on a mission based server that has limited aircraft with which you achieve your objectives?

[sorry, I have worded and reworded this a few times trying to make it not sound snarky, and I don't think I succeeded. Please understand that I am not trying to be confrontational!]

1) Real life right now kind of demands that I have the ability to pause.

2) For the MP server to give me what I am looking for, it would need to span days or weeks of service, with replacements coming in to bring the squadron back to strength after taking losses, and missions that actually hurt the enemy's ability to fight, even in some small way.

I don't know if the MP servers give that sort of look at the war or not - I have never played MP.

April 4, 2015

I will buy it only if there will be career mode similar to ROF with historical units and skins and historical medals and awards.

I regret that i bought BOS. Its only a quick mission builder with achievements

April 4, 2015

Did you buy in already? Why or why not?

Then I tried a few quick missions in the Stuka to try to learn dive bombing (failed miserably - my best use for the Stuka is to fly it into the target), and a few missions trying to learn how to bomb from the PE-2 (mostly involved flying back and forth over targets, either never seeing them or not being able to release bombs on time for some reason).]quote

Wrt PE-2, did you open bomb bay doors?

Yes sir. I wonder if I have something weird in my control settings. Regardless of what I am bombing with, it seems like bombs either don't release or are delayed in falling.

April 4, 2015

@

All this with the fact that flight sims...need support, and I like the feel of joining in from the ground up......

These are my sentiments exactly.

April 4, 2015

The 110-E2 can't do much well.. same as me, so I bought the premium from the start. Always nice to support niche-markets, (and being able to direct blame my inability on the plane).. I might get up the spark to fly again at the time new (non snow!) terrain and planeset appear, if not I at least contributed to the continuation of this project!

April 4, 2015

On the fence with BoM.

I'd only be flying four planes if that. So that would be $20. a plane for me.

And the lack of an in depth sp with BoS ect.

I may go Standard or wait for a sale after release and go premium.

More power to you all in supporting BoM this early.

S!

April 4, 2015

On the fence with BoM.

I'd only be flying four planes if that. So that would be $20. a plane for me.

And the lack of an in depth sp with BoS ect.

I may go Standard or wait for a sale after release and go premium.

More power to you all in supporting BoM this early.

S!

I will probably only fly one..the 110 so I see it as 40$ (maybe/4 if I use all that I somewhat fancy) for the plane and 40$ for the 5+ 'new' maps (entirely new BoM one, and seasons on that and existing ones) And maybe fly the macci and P40, as I used to like them in 'original' IL-2 .. and no stranger to taking the Mig for a spin either.. the rest is just bonus material in my way of thinking

April 4, 2015

If the single "campaign" comes in the same way, no. At least not now.

April 4, 2015

I will buy when the planes start showing up flyable. There's no point now. Who cares if it might be a few dollars more. My money is in my pocket until I can fly them.

April 4, 2015

Not a chance. Not going to throw more money to fly a boring SP aspect with new skins and a new map. Dull BoS = dull BoM. No thanks.

April 4, 2015

Will not invest .

Until BOS is fixed .

Why on earth would i give my money away to another project , when this one has so many flaws . some of you must have money to burn , or you just don't care how its sold to you .

Edited April 4, 2015 by II./JG77_Con

April 4, 2015

I already paid an awfully high price for 10 planes, a boring campaign, a system of unlocks (very simulator to unlock some bomb racks), not so well modelized planes (FM and DM, even if we have some improvements since the last patch, so at least 6 months after the game release) and even some bad ideas like graphical presets without the possibility to customize the graphics options to optimize the game regarding your PC...

BoS is not bad, but really lack of content, especially with a buying price like this.

So what ? Pre-ordering BoM for the same price as BoS, for just another 10 planes ?

Nope nope nope.

April 5, 2015

As long as the SP system stays as it is, and from what I have heard BOM will be the same, no I will be taking a pass this go around. Certainly will not be pre-ordering, whether I buy after release will depend no what kind of content is available.

I only fly SP, and the current system just does not entice me.

April 5, 2015

For 95$? No. For 80 $? Still no.

If 1C wants to sell their games at a price even higher than AAA titles, it's gonna have to provide the content to match the price first. Being an indie developer is no excuse for putting the prices so high. Other lesser known and smaller indie devs have offered more for half (even a third) of this price, and it included alpha, beta and release access to the game.

For what is offered, I don't think it's worth it. The current SP campaign format has nothing to offer that I find remotely interesting, and Jason confirmed that there would be no attempts by 1C to improve upon it; The campaign is simply a glorified linear QMB that uses the same premise: spawn, fly to the action point (which is an abomination IMHO), shoot at something, return to base. Pointless. Squadrons didn't meet at an "action point" set in advance like in a 18th century pistol duel. After putting hours into the campaign, I couldn't tell you what units took part, which pilots flew, about the specific events... it was as dry as it could get, but without any relevant content to make it somewhat educative. A historical campaign like that should do everything in its power to TEACH you about the Battle of Stalingrad. Il-2 BoS didn't. A total of 5 minutes of cinematics just doesn't cut it. If it's good enough for 1C, well, I'm sorry to say that it's not good enough for me.

Multiplayer without 60+ player limits for me are doomed to die a slow death. Multiplayer assures the longevity of a flight sim and forms up a solid community behind it that helps get new folks interested in the game. I have received many e-mails from people who saw my "Band of Blennies" or "71st Chronicles" video series and decided to buy CloD after watching it. Why? Simply because "we looked like we were having fun together". That's how flight sims should be: a social experience. That's what brings in new customers, and what creates a solid playerbase that is constantly expanding.

Since Battle of Moscow is a rinse-and-repeat iteration of this formula, I'm not sure I'd recommend it to anyone. The idea is there, but it is not what I want from a flight sim. The addition of FMB is a step in the right direction, but IMHO it's too little, too late: community mods and community content should have been a focus from day one.

Speaking for myself, the only reason I bought BoM was because of intellectual curiosity. It's the same reason I buy these trainers in DCS that nobody (figuratively speaking) wants to fly. I like learning about all sorts of planes I don't know about, it's like a guilty pleasure of mine.

Edited April 5, 2015 by 71st_AH_Chuck

April 5, 2015

$100, to me BOS was a waste. if I had known the things that everyone was supposed to know and if they didnt know, then "they could rot in hell", ya those things i wouldnt have bought it in the first place. BOM will be a no go unless things change, for $40 yea, for $80...nope

April 5, 2015

I, as you can see, already bought BoM. And I will buy the next thing what ever it is. But, there will come a point that I will not want another battle in Russia. I like Cliffs of Dover too but I right now BoS is more entertaining for me. Old IL-2 does not have good enough graphics for me. Neither does DCS with its limited set of WW2 planes. So either you like the old il-2 1946 or one of these others or even War Thunder. For me, I'll pay more money for this line hoping it will continue to improve. But I do have limits.

April 5, 2015

I think more than anything else it's about supporting the developers and IMHO supporting the hope that we get first class WWII flight sim at the end of it. I think that the dedication of the Dev's is fairly obvious and we have had numerous updates with more to come. Not everyone is going to be happy with the story so far ( there are lots of things I'm personally not happy with) but the flight simming community is so niche and so small compared to the arcade/FPS "glitterati" that the price point may seem high to some.

I can think of one particular sim with around 15 to 20 aircraft that would set you back around £400 if you wanted them all, and there is still no sign of a WWII map module.

In my humble opinion BoS still needs plenty of work but I think it is in the top two out there for pure WWII flight sims.

April 5, 2015

Personally I do not buy things that are not available. First see then buy . That simple. Further more I know that nothing is perfect and nothing will fit exactly either my tastes or experiences though anything to that direction is a +

April 5, 2015

Chuck said it best. "Why? Simply because "we looked like we were having fun together". That's how flight sims should be: a social experience. That's what brings in new customers, and what creates a solid playerbase that is constantly expanding. "

April 5, 2015

Just dopped a hung on War Thunder the least I can do is buy BoM for 80

Do you mean 'dropped a dung'? What the hell kind of a noun is a 'hung' What sort of verb is 'dopped'?

'To 'dop'' - nope. can't find it in the dictionary.

'I dopped a hung'.....

Nope, can't find it. Oh [Edited], this is that so-called 'American English' again, isn't it? I should've realised. You always were a knob, ace.

Edited April 5, 2015 by Bearcat

April 5, 2015

Do you mean 'dropped a dung'? What the hell kind of a noun is a 'hung' What sort of verb is 'dopped'?

'To 'dop'' - nope. can't find it in the dictionary.

'I dopped a hung'.....

Nope, can't find it. Oh shit, this is that so-called 'American English' again, isn't it? I should've realised. You always were a knob, ace.

Let the anger flow

April 5, 2015

Let the anger flow

By all means. After you....

April 5, 2015

For what is offered, I don't think it's worth it. The current SP campaign format has nothing to offer that I find remotely interesting, and Jason confirmed that there would be no attempts by 1C to improve upon it; The campaign is simply a glorified linear QMB that uses the same premise: spawn, fly to the action point (which is an abomination IMHO), shoot at something, return to base. Pointless. Squadrons didn't meet at an "action point" set in advance like in a 18th century pistol duel. After putting hours into the campaign, I couldn't tell you what units took part, which pilots flew, about the specific events... it was as dry as it could get, but without any relevant content to make it somewhat educative. A historical campaign like that should do everything in its power to TEACH you about the Battle of Stalingrad. Il-2 BoS didn't. A total of 5 minutes of cinematics just doesn't cut it. If it's good enough for 1C, well, I'm sorry to say that it's not good enough for me.

That is the brutal truth for me too. The devs themselves must surely agree. Is there one of them that would play the campaign in their own time and at the end of it consider themselves educated, engaged or entertained?

April 5, 2015

Ill be buying BoM in the next couple of months.

Just got into BoS and its obviously a game that has issues so why would I buy BoM?

Potential.

I plan on playing this game two or three years from now and this is just part of the ride.

April 5, 2015

Sorry for Off-Topic meanderings oh ye moderators.

Here's the answer to the question posed by the OP.

No. I will not be pre-ordering and I very much doubt that I'll buy the thing when it maybe gets released at some point whenever that may be.

I have a new personal policy, in that I only buy anything after it's been released. Preferably when it appears in a bargain bin at a supermarket.

April 5, 2015

Junkers 88 and I am supporting Battle of Tobruk.

Battle of Moscow: To Buy In or Not To Buy In, THAT is the Question!

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