Lusekofte Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 You cannot expect others to accept this game at this stage. Ok if you like it, others see this title needs more work. The original IL2 was also very limited at first, it didn`t even know how to maintain/CEM two engine aircraft. But the devs changed it. Whether BoS will grow is a question of how much can the engine be taught new tricks. The limitations within MP and D server I do not know about, I made several missions in Mission Editor in my machine and in offline mode with a lot of AI and moving objects it worked fine, if you compare it with COD and old IL 2. Flying bombers in this game I find 46 players sufficient , in COD with players on 60+ You have no real chance taking off for a fast mission over the channel and reach the target. There are just too many high altitude campers waiting for you. So it is not so that I accept the limitations, I say it is possible to take a flight on a online server and enjoy it without even noticing the limitations. Calling a game lame as Robtec said is pr definition it self lame. Do not misunderstand me, I have read a lot of Robtek´s opinions regarding BOS many places, he knows stuff. And he is worth listening to. He got a lot of valid points , points I would respect very much, I only react on his subjective endings in those epilogs. Well reacting was the wrong word, I disagree with his choice of word, like lame
Vaxxtx Posted April 24, 2015 Posted April 24, 2015 Yep, because it's not a sim. It simulates air combat, it also has a "sim" option, so why wouldnt it be considered a sim? 1
LizLemon Posted April 24, 2015 Posted April 24, 2015 From my own experience RoF with older iteration of DN engine can run well on two core CPU and 4 core as well and ofcourse better.I dont know about 6 core CPU as I do not have such.So it is scalable for me.Also games during development are optimised for actual technology available,not for "what could be available".If you were developer and tried all the time to catch up with newest trends in HW,you would never release a single game title. Multi-core cpus have been on the market for many years now, and even cheap cpus are multi-core. Most major game engines are multithreaded, and many have been for years. So I don't really understand the comments about how hard it is to follow technology when things have been like this for 5+ years mainstream, and 10+ enthusiast.
BlackDevil Posted April 24, 2015 Posted April 24, 2015 It simulates air combat, it also has a "sim" option, so why wouldnt it be considered a sim? Because in a flightsim planes should at least feel like planes and not like U-Boats ? It has the FSX illness: looks like a sim, but it isn´t.
AvengerSeawolf Posted April 24, 2015 Posted April 24, 2015 (edited) It simulates air combat, it also has a "sim" option, so why wouldnt it be considered a sim? I guess he word sim has different meaning in application and experience in people. Everyone can has his opinion on that I guess. IMO I do not believe a flight model could be 100% presented with accuracy, though to a percentage to be enough to say, that simulates well. At the end of the day all are games, whether emulate more or less "true" flight characteristics or not, and it doesn't matter anyway as long as you can enjoy it. So let's not forget that. Because in a flightsim planes should at least feel like planes and not like U-Boats ? It has the FSX illness: looks like a sim, but it isn´t. To be honest only if you have flown a real WWII plane you can tell the difference. As far as FSX which I do have not used it, many planes usually aftermarket ones are developed with the aid of real pilots flying them so I guess that experience put into practice will make virual FM characteristics that belong to planes and not balloons. I remember the first il-2 back in 2001 had so funny FM characteristics wobbling around when it was time to stall, very unrealistic. Todays sims- games , you name it are far more better than that. Edited April 24, 2015 by AvengerSeawolf
6./ZG26_Emil Posted April 24, 2015 Posted April 24, 2015 i dont know when a woman stops being redhead and starts being a brunnete everythings relative [Edited]
Capt_Stubing Posted April 24, 2015 Posted April 24, 2015 IMO I can only say about the old il2 that had lousy BF 109 FM's with constant overheating 25% reduced in top speed and could not climb to save their lives. Also a curved earth at altitude above 4000 meter was a complete joke as it was the rest of the scenery, poor and boring. CFS 3 was an open game with much better effects, reasonable FM and great terrain for it's time. But that's my 2cents on that. Just given this post it seems that you haven't really played il2 much especially when it came to the mods. If you had gone with UP 3.0 the 109s were a bit spectacular and at one point is was the most popular Mod Pack available. Stock IL2 had a ton of left over Oleg FMs DMs then the new TD folks got a hold of it and did some really strange stuff. Also the Mods opened up a lot in terms of flyable aircraft along with Maps that were in some cases better than what we have in BOS. The high Alt stuff is pretty decent for it's time and some fixes were added later on but they never accounted for fights at 27K+ . CF3 was a joke in terms of FMs and it was nothing but a cheat fest. HSFX has picked up the slack in terms of Il2 but the popularity is dying off because we have some new stuff to play with. I certainly hope that BOS and BOM are successful to keep this genre moving forward but it's going to be a long while before you see something as complete as IL2 with Mods. In fact there is a good chance we will never see that again. The model has changed. Flight sims take a lot of development which means high cost with a very tiny group of people that are interested in them. High risk from a business perspective.
AvengerSeawolf Posted April 24, 2015 Posted April 24, 2015 (edited) ust given this post it seems that you haven't really played il2 much especially when it came to the mods. If you had gone with UP 3.0 the 109s were a bit spectacular and at one point is was the most popular Mod Pack available. How many years after it 's release you are talking about ? 4 5 6 ? It took that many to understand something is wrong ? Now that's a real joke. ANd yes I had patience I could not stand that il2 more than 2 years and was too much for that redicoulus "sim" Finnaly they got it so right with BoS is night to day difference, they should have changed the title, so so much better and different than the old crap il-2 CF3 was a joke in terms of FMs and it was nothing but a cheat fest. Got a lot of Il2 "pilots" there who failed, while they used to fly the over modeled Lagg against poor modeled axis planes , so the only consider it a s "joke" cause they would loose every dogfight. But in that sim Bf's could climb, FW190's could roll and Spitfires could really turn so it was OK . ANd I say again , wobbling around and having a stall it DOES NOT make it a true flight sim, or any better in general.. and that's what the old il2 had more compared to some other WWII flight sim games. Edited April 24, 2015 by AvengerSeawolf
Capt_Stubing Posted April 24, 2015 Posted April 24, 2015 How many years after it 's release you are talking about ? 4 5 6 ? It took that many to understand something is wrong ? Now that's a real joke. ANd yes I had patience I could not stand that il2 more than 2 years and was too much for that redicoulus "sim" Finnaly they got it so right with BoS is night to day difference, they should have changed the title, so so much better and different than the old crap il-2 Got a lot of Il2 "pilots" there who failed, while they used to fly the over modeled Lagg against poor modeled axis planes , so the only consider it a s "joke" cause they would loose every dogfight. But in that sim Bf's could climb, FW190's could roll and Spitfires could really turn so it was OK . ANd I say again , wobbling around and having a stall it DOES NOT make it a true flight sim, or any better in general.. and that's what the old il2 had more compared to some other WWII flight sim games. Remember IL2 came out over the years. The first release was called IL2... The second was Il2 Forgotten Battles next was Ace Expansion Pack which added Western Front Aircraft... Pacific Fighters a few other releases which ended up in IL2 1946. All throughout that time Oleg and Company kept improving the game albeit he was reluctant but some bugs were finally fixed. Not a bad run for a commercial WWII Combat Sim. Funny enough TD is still enhancing the game even as of today. Okay so you were impatient with the fixes but again given your previous statements I don't think you played the game very much. I'm certainly not saying the sim didn't have it's faults they all do including BOS hence the latest patch release notes. I don't know what you mean by the words "true sim". Make no mistake Il2 is very much a sim compared to other flying games such as WT. Perhaps the numbers weren't perfect for every aircraft or that the High Alt model was off it still required you to use the general tactics of the aircraft you were flying to be successful. This was one of the first WWII sims to do this. It did take some time to refine the sim with a lot of prodding from the community. Eventually it fell into the hands of the modders which I felt brought the sim to a whole new level for the better. Some would argue that it split the community but I would argue it addressed a lot of issues by creating their own aircraft and FMs while leaving the stock alone. I also take it you never touched the Mods. I highly recommend you go back and revisit the sim with the HSFX mods. They did a great job IMO. There is NO other sim that compares to IL2 when it comes to the different era's theaters and aircraft the IL2 covered over the years. Back OT. It's going to be interesting if the folks here can keep the ball rolling. I think the only way this venture will work is by continuing to make new content and continue to enhance the sim. Right now BOS is pretty limited. I like what they have done and I too have my complaints about the sim but I'm hoping in time things will be addressed. FW taxi is totally silly. How do I know... I have 100s of hours in real Tail Draggers. I would love to see the WT crowd start to move over to BOS BOM and CLOD. I just don't know how possible it is. Some folks don't want to take the time to become proficient and learn something complex.
AvengerSeawolf Posted April 24, 2015 Posted April 24, 2015 (edited) Okay so you were impatient with the fixes but again given your previous statements 2 years waiting for a game to improve is a LOT of time. 2 years is a jump from one series to the next usually. By the time Forgotten battles came out , the game was already forgotten for me Enjoying another sim , with better over all graphics , more planes, and the ability to customize it. But hey that is my taste. Eventually it fell into the hands of the modders ALl thumbs up for their work , but that's too late. That game is already obsolete in many aspects . I would love to see the WT crowd start to move over to BOS BOM and CLOD. I just don't know how possible it is. Some folks don't want to take the time to become proficient and learn something complex. Well but they can play it in a more simple mode if they wish. Only thing is the advertising and the ability given to the people who want to do so , be able to do it. I do not see any major differences and the BOS is quite agile in terms of how someone wants to play it in terms of complexity. Point is variety that's lacking hopefully it will develop, but it is true that as many theaters of war a war flight sim covers the more people it can attract. Edited April 24, 2015 by AvengerSeawolf
Vaxxtx Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 2 years waiting for a game to improve is a LOT of time. 2 years is a jump from one series to the next usually. By the time Forgotten battles came out , the game was already forgotten for me Enjoying another sim , with better over all graphics , more planes, and the ability to customize it. But hey that is my taste. hopefully it will develop, but it is true that as many theaters of war a war flight sim covers the more people it can attract. Don't see the irony, do you?
AvengerSeawolf Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) Don't see the irony, do you? I guess you don't read well between the lines, no irony to it , so better try to read the meaning tha try to find something to argue for or prove that what I say contradicts , ect. ect.. very boring.... BoS is out only 6 months or so , not 2 years, and they are making a new theater already. Big difference to the old LAME il-2 ... Besides BoS was got it right , in terms of modeling graphics and so on.. no curved earths in high altitude, and so planes behave at a logical rate.HUGE difference in this one. Edited April 25, 2015 by AvengerSeawolf
Vaxxtx Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 I guess you don't read well between the lines, no irony to it , so better try to read the meaning tha try to find something to argue for or prove that what I say contradicts , ect. ect.. very boring.... BoS is out only 6 months or so , not 2 years, and they are making a new theater already. Big difference to the old LAME il-2 ... Besides BoS was got it right , in terms of modeling graphics and so on.. no curved earths in high altitude, and so planes behave at a logical rate.HUGE difference in this one. LOL.....ok man. Whatever you say. If you are so giddy over BoS and brush off others sims that actually paved the way, I assume others are correct in saying you have not spent much time with anything else. Especially if you think 2 years is "too long". I guess you never played RoF past its two year mark as well. You are entertaining.
AvengerSeawolf Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 LOL.....ok man. Whatever you say. Sure when you don't have anything to say.. Especially if you think 2 years is "too long". Yes if a game is lame even 2 months are too long. But actually it is not 2 years it is 14 years and still the earth is curved up like a balloon when in 4000 meter altitude and above. This has to be the ugliest and funniest thing in a flight sim <EVER> It was really wise to give up that lame game after sometime. I remember that time the CFS3 came out it was like salvation time to get rid of the il-2. brush off others sims Not other sims , this is done from others , not me. There were many great sims out there that most of old "il-2" game fans disregard thinking that only the lame wobbly goobly plane sim they were playing was the only one.that "paved the way" and so on. Perhaps stop dreaming would be a nice idea.
FS_Fenice_1965 Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) stop dreaming would be a nice idea The success of IL2 between simmers (and not simply gamers) is not dream is fact. I do not think so many simmers are stupid or dreamers. I agree on the fact that the game is obsolete in many aspects. But this is technological limit. The design of the game and the philosophy behind has still to be considered an achievement and a reference to be observed studied and developed. The vision behind IL2 was excellent and if CLOD had limited itself to update IL2 to the new technology and the new hardware there would be not so many people complaining at this time and we all would be playing the IL2 successor. ROF would have taken a road of its own and IL2 1946 would have be confined to those without the money to buy up to date hardware. Of course we all, included IL2 lovers, need to be aware of the fact that IL2 WAS the reference but that there is no future on it. This is the reason why new sims - even if not fully satisfying - need to be supported, because without them there's no future for the genre. People are slowly getting bored of playing IL2 because his development his slowing down and cannot go beyond certain limits. On the other side new sims must be aware that the starting point and the reference to watch an develop is IL2 in his essence and not just hold the name of it. If the future of the genre is on new WWII sims, the future of new WWII sims is based on the IL2 heritage (satisfaction of his old fans included). Edited April 25, 2015 by FS_Fenice_1965 3
LeLv76_Erkki Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) IMO I can only say about the old il2 that had lousy BF 109 FM's with constant overheating 25% reduced in top speed and could not climb to save their lives. Also a curved earth at altitude above 4000 meter was a complete joke as it was the rest of the scenery, poor and boring. CFS 3 was an open game with much better effects, reasonable FM and great terrain for it's time. But that's my 2cents on that. I see that you have a lot of experience with the old Il-2. Approx 3 and a half minutes. I guess he word sim has different meaning in application and experience in people. Everyone can has his opinion on that I guess. IMO I do not believe a flight model could be 100% presented with accuracy, though to a percentage to be enough to say, that simulates well. At the end of the day all are games, whether emulate more or less "true" flight characteristics or not, and it doesn't matter anyway as long as you can enjoy it. So let's not forget that. To be honest only if you have flown a real WWII plane you can tell the difference. As far as FSX which I do have not used it, many planes usually aftermarket ones are developed with the aid of real pilots flying them so I guess that experience put into practice will make virual FM characteristics that belong to planes and not balloons. I remember the first il-2 back in 2001 had so funny FM characteristics wobbling around when it was time to stall, very unrealistic. Todays sims- games , you name it are far more better than that. I agree, War Thunder's FMs are so much more realistic. Who cares about having propwash, torque effects, stalls. And its so cool to have a single rifle caliber machine gun's recoil kick the whole planes nose up. And I love the negative AoA in a 450 kmph level flight for a fracking Buffalo and the way the propeller is just a fan attached to the nose that has its RPM follow throttle setting precisely completely disregarding things such as the airspeed... I dont understand why Gaijin did not just stick to the FMs of the old Il-2 that they had apparently licensed. It would be more realistic and besides takeoffs and landings also more easier, especially to the masses that play with just keyboard and mouse. How many years after it 's release you are talking about ? 4 5 6 ? It took that many to understand something is wrong ? Now that's a real joke. ANd yes I had patience I could not stand that il2 more than 2 years and was too much for that redicoulus "sim" Finnaly they got it so right with BoS is night to day difference, they should have changed the title, so so much better and different than the old crap il-2 Got a lot of Il2 "pilots" there who failed, while they used to fly the over modeled Lagg against poor modeled axis planes , so the only consider it a s "joke" cause they would loose every dogfight. But in that sim Bf's could climb, FW190's could roll and Spitfires could really turn so it was OK . ANd I say again , wobbling around and having a stall it DOES NOT make it a true flight sim, or any better in general.. and that's what the old il2 had more compared to some other WWII flight sim games. Wobbling about as in actually had some gyroscopic effects modeled for the first time in flight sim history? Notice that general flight physics model and how the various planes perform against each other are two different things. The LaGG-3 series 66 did indeed use to be a weightless UFO in the Il-2 - at some point in 2005 or 2006 or so its empty weight was fixed and it became the flying brick it was. 2 years waiting for a game to improve is a LOT of time. 2 years is a jump from one series to the next usually. By the time Forgotten battles came out , the game was already forgotten for me Enjoying another sim , with better over all graphics , more planes, and the ability to customize it. But hey that is my taste. ALl thumbs up for their work , but that's too late. That game is already obsolete in many aspects Well but they can play it in a more simple mode if they wish. Only thing is the advertising and the ability given to the people who want to do so , be able to do it. I do not see any major differences and the BOS is quite agile in terms of how someone wants to play it in terms of complexity. Point is variety that's lacking hopefully it will develop, but it is true that as many theaters of war a war flight sim covers the more people it can attract. I believe we all hope for BoS to develop quickly and to get more content before people leave it. I personally want to see the likes of the old Bellum/CAD/Ill2War/AFW/ADW, dynamic multiplayer campaigns with thousands of people, once more. And the more relaxed options for the new people and those who prefer them with also enough players populating such servers. This genre needs to move on and I believe that most are afraid that there wont be anyone to try should BoS and BoM fail. I have not played BoS much but I will still be buying BoM at some point and will hope for the best. Edited April 25, 2015 by LeLv76_Erkki 1
AvengerSeawolf Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 I see that you have a lot of experience with the old Il-2. Approx 3 and a half minutes. Yes that's a convenient thing to say in order to " defend" that old lame sim. But i I tell you it won't work. Though I wish I had spent only 2 hours of my life in that junk. at some point in 2005 or 2006 or so its empty weight was fixed and it became the flying brick it was. OK. , it took them almost 5 years to correct , well , that's progress. 5 years to correct the obvious. Well about the curved earth they did nothing anyway. I agree, War Thunder's FMs are so much more realistic. Who cares about having propwash, torque effects, stalls. There are torgue effects in WarThunder as well as stalls and so on. Noboy's perfect, but either way WT is not my cup of tea , I'll give it a try from time to time.
AvengerSeawolf Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) his is the reason why new sims - even if not fully satisfying - need to be supported, because without them there's no future for the genre. People are slowly getting bored of playing IL2 because his development his slowing down and cannot go beyond certain limits. The genre will exist, don't worry. Hardware evolve, technology evolves and people always looking for something more. IMO the future is in combined elements and variety Look at WarThunder for example, they combine air and land with their tanks and BIG variety ( also avail in other playing platforms) so they manage to have 6 mil fans. Good or bad I do not judge it here but just propose the way it's done. Edited April 25, 2015 by AvengerSeawolf
LeLv76_Erkki Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 Yes that's a convenient thing to say in order to " defend" that old lame sim. But i I tell you it won't work. Though I wish I had spent only 2 hours of my life in that junk. OK. , it took them almost 5 years to correct , well , that's progress. 5 years to correct the obvious. Well about the curved earth they did nothing anyway. There are torgue effects in WarThunder as well as stalls and so on. Noboy's perfect, but either way WT is not my cup of tea , I'll give it a try from time to time. Correct, it is convenient, but only because its so right. That overheating, wobbling and "curved earth" complaining of yours demonstrates your lack of comprehension and experience. The first doesn't even happen, the second is how it should be(and planes still fly on rails compared to CoD or BoS, the effects are down tuned) and the last one makes me wonder if you've even touched the game at all; if you've only given a brief try with either a very old computer or the lowest possible graphical settings. There is no "curved earth", there simply is a render-cylinder around the camera with the "horizon fog" 36 kilometers away. Or 72 km(which btw is waaay further than one can see in BoS or WT) in Clear and Good weather when using the LandGeom=3 conf.ini option. The maps themselves are flat. But thats your loss, if that try of yours was in say 2002 then you missed a decade of fun. You shouldn't blame the game. WT is not my cup either although I've flown and driven it some. The physics are very lacking, sounds are awful and as the result there is no immersion and overall there is a total lack of any kind of (working) sandbox mode. And then theres the whole thing of having to grind for XP to unlock planes, modifications etc. Majority of your critic towards the old Il-2 as it is as a flight simulation is unfounded. Its just blindly bashing at a convenient target. Yes, I agree that as a game its starting to become dated(and not the least due to the ever shrinking player base) but as a flight simulation, disregarding graphics, and a sandbox for coops, campaigns and modifications it is still, to me and I figure many others, superior to everything but BoS and Cod that both unfortunately lack content for now. 2
DD_Arthur Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 I remember that time the CFS3 came out it was like salvation time to get rid of the il-2. Blimey, I've seen it all.
6./ZG26_Emil Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 Blimey, I've seen it all. made me laugh as well :D
AvengerSeawolf Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 hat overheating, wobbling and "curved earth" complaining of yours demonstrates your lack of comprehension and experience. The first doesn't even happen, the second is how it should be(and planes still fly on rails compared to CoD or BoS, the effects are down tuned) and the last one makes me wonder if you've even touched the game at all; That' s the truth and not any type of complain. Of course all that happened, bf s in constant overheat due to lack od speed and correct engine management of the game , and of course tenths of tests were made that prooved the 109's in the game did not have the climbing ability they had in reality.. No BF 109 modeled in the old il2 in 2001 flown correct . I had the luck , experience and confirmation of a real Bf 109 pilot back in 2003 who had confirmed me that, so whatever you say whatever you dream of flying bf 109's is just our fantasy. So bobling and woobling under that conditions demonstrated in that joke sim was never true, no matter how much you want to force people to believe that without experience. As far as curved bubble earth from high altitudes this is a fact in that game and that shows that you have never really flown any planes at high altitude. SO here it is , the bouble earth from high altitude. The most unrealistic and joke view on flight sim EVER> But anyways that old "flight sim nightmare" is history now, and the new ones out are far better in therms of graphics, flight modeling and immersion. Blimey, I've seen it all. And when you learn to fly you will see more.
AvengerSeawolf Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 made me laugh as well :D Yes sure , no wonder there are only 60 people for online gaming. Go on like that and you end up playing by yourselves :lol: Perhaps you should go back to that crappy old ill2 that was so good and has so "many" people online But don't blame a great game like BoS for that.
FS_Fenice_1965 Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) If IL2 was so bad......... devs would be crazy to flag BOS with his name.....and to try recovering all those "stupids" who have played that game in the last 14 years Edited April 25, 2015 by FS_Fenice_1965
6./ZG26_Emil Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 Yes sure , no wonder there are only 60 people for online gaming. Go on like that and you end up playing by yourselves :lol: Perhaps you should go back to that crappy old ill2 that was so good and has so "many" people online But don't blame a great game like BoS for that. Who's blaming BOS? I don't fly any other sim...you could call me Simonogamous :D There's way more than 60 people online so I don't know where you get that figure from we have 2 or 3 servers to chose from each night plus our own server we use for coops and training. Everything is good in BOS land
SCG_Neun Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 Whatever anyone thinks about FM's good or bad... associated with IL-2, it sure has maintained a huge following throughout the years and made many friends and squad mates. I'm not sure I know of any other CFS that has had the impact on the genre that it has.... There's always been Warbirds and AcesHigh types of online niches and they've had their following as well, but I have to say....for me personally, nothing comes close to what the IL2 series has brought to the table. I admit....even though..as you say ASW, no one really knows except the real pilots...that the FM hasn't been perfect perhaps....but my goodness....the tactics, the situational awareness, the online war servers....historical recreation of so many air battles within IL-2 is an awesome accomplishment and one that has garnered a huge amount of our respect. Not everyone feels the same....it appears, and that's okay too. I don't think such people are full of themselves, or trying to lecture in a condescending tone simply because they disagree..... 2
Capt_Stubing Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 2 years waiting for a game to improve is a LOT of time. 2 years is a jump from one series to the next usually. By the time Forgotten battles came out , the game was already forgotten for me Enjoying another sim , with better over all graphics , more planes, and the ability to customize it. But hey that is my taste. Too bad because you missed out on about 10 years of one of the best WWII combat sims of all time. When 1946 and the Mods came out there wasn't any other WWII sim that could challenge it in terms of planes and graphics. 1
AvengerSeawolf Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 here's way more than 60 people online so I don't know where you get that figure from It is obviously the title of this topic.. Too bad because you missed out on about 10 years of one of the best WWII combat sims of all time Nope I did not miss anything in fact I have gained not to waste my time with playing that old il-2 joke with the balloon earth and the almost inexistent terrain. It was slowly dying after some time, ending at an unfinished Cliffs of Dover, so far it could go. When 1946 and the Mods came out there wasn't any other WWII sim that could challenge it in terms of planes and graphics. Yes the graphics , no other sim had a balloon earth from high altitudes , all green terrain and with few flat trees here and there. Besides games are not there to challenge each other but to entertain . I do not know were that funny attitude about challenging this and that was comes from... and sure what draw some people towards old il-2 "It is challenging" so it must be good.. perhaps this is something that give the opportunity to achieve something in their lives.. who knows..Point is we live in now and not in the past, and now things have changed, for the better of all.So I won't go on on comparing games , if one does not like it then he doesn't and if one likes it's his option and opinion but at the end have to respect the ones who don't like, telling that was too good or too ultimate does not play any role since that's so irrelevant to if ones enjoys or not. So no matter what you or anyone can say for me the old il-2 was a bunch of crap loaded into a game. Who's blaming BOS? Obvioulsy is all written in this topic, if you read it. People still trying to find out what's wrong with MP online. If IL2 was so bad......... devs would be crazy to flag BOS with his name.....and to try recovering all those "stupids" who have played that game in the last 14 years The Developers if that's what you mean with "devs", are Russian Btw so what would they call the game ? p-51 aces ? And of course there was a following before with the il-2 old series so they got this name, nothing wrong with that, nor do I think they tried to catch up audience. As a matter of fact I did not buy this game at the start because of it's name and the bad impression the old one had. After I have seen that they were the Rise Of Flight developers and other videos I gave it a try. So you will have to live with the fact that in WWII flight sims not all are old il-2 worshipers , nor was it the "ultimate sim" SO a good sim sooner or latter gets it's audience.
Capt_Stubing Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 Yes that's a convenient thing to say in order to " defend" that old lame sim. But i I tell you it won't work. Though I wish I had spent only 2 hours of my life in that junk. OK. , it took them almost 5 years to correct , well , that's progress. 5 years to correct the obvious. Well about the curved earth they did nothing anyway. Old lame sim... Again it shows you never put any time into it. You shouldn't comment about a sim you never flew. If you knew anything about how sims work they are always being worked on. Name a sim that isn't getting corrected. Even BOS this week released fixes. BTW what better sim were you flying with IL2 was in it's prime? Nope I did not miss anything in fact I have gained not to waste my time with playing that old il-2 joke with the balloon earth and the almost inexistent terrain. It was slowly dying after some time, ending at an unfinished Cliffs of Dover, so far it could go. This is just a waste of time... You should check out Team Fusion and also look at HSFX or now CUP for old Il2 and get back to me.
von_Tom Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 Il2 was great for its time. Yes it had the bubble at very high altitude and no it wasn't the ultimate in terms of FM and whatever, but what it did was make you have a great time as a virtual WWII pilot. BOS goes some way to recreating that feeling, more than any other sim out there, but there still aren't the numbers available to fill the server slots. There never will be. von Tom
AvengerSeawolf Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 Old lame sim... Again it shows you never put any time into it. You shouldn't comment about a sim you never flew. But well you cannot proove that either for that matter, if I have played or not and so on. You know I have but you have to find a reason to justify telling others they should not speak or have an opinion about something. So declaring " you didn't play that game" is so convenient, but sorry it does not sell, at least not to me. SO is there a problem with people having different opinions on a subject and want to suppress or prove them wrong for having an opinon ? BTW what better sim were you flying with IL2 was in it's prime? The point is not about better or worse, and still that's so relative to say, cause something can be better in one aspect and worse to other. So again I won't go on to compare games, and for sure is not anyone's business to what I enjoy or enjoyed or not enjoyed
Capt_Stubing Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 But well you cannot proove that either for that matter, if I have played or not and so on. You know I have but you have to find a reason to justify telling others they should not speak or have an opinion about something. So declaring " you didn't play that game" is so convenient, but sorry it does not sell, at least not to me. SO is there a problem with people having different opinions on a subject and want to suppress or prove them wrong for having an opinon ? The point is not about better or worse, and still that's so relative to say, cause something can be better in one aspect and worse to other. So again I won't go on to compare games, and for sure is not anyone's business to what I enjoy or enjoyed or not enjoyed Proof? Your comments are the proof. Your list of grievances with Il2 were address years ago and clearly you didn't play it long enough to see those things change. You did miss out.
FS_Fenice_1965 Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 Point is we live in now and not in the past Yes. But probably there's a reason why people study history to understand the present and the future. there was a following before with the il-2 old series so they got this name nor do I think they tried to catch up audienc It seems to me that this two sentences are one the opposite of the other. In any case, I think that none can deny that the IL2 brand (not only the name, but the brand) was used because was a "quality brand" and that developers hoped to catch the old IL2 audience. So you will have to live with the fact that in WWII flight sims not all are old il-2 worshipers , nor was it the "ultimate sim" We do live for sure with the fact that in wwii sims not all are old IL2 worshipers. I doubt that this sim will be able to live without IL2 worshipers.....
AvengerSeawolf Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 and clearly you didn't play it long enough You shouldn't comment about a sim you never flew See how you contradict yourself ?? Now will you answer me is there a problem with people having different opinions on a subject and want to suppress or prove them wrong for having an opinion ?
Capt_Stubing Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 See how you contradict yourself ?? Now will you answer me is there a problem with people having different opinions on a subject and want to suppress or prove them wrong for having an opinion ? Last post with you... Your opinion is in the minority and your problems with IL2 are irrelevant anymore because most of them have been fixed for almost a decade. 1
AvengerSeawolf Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 Yes. But probably there's a reason why people study history to understand the present and the future. That's irrelevant for praising an old simm with lots of imperfections.Games evolve and become better, or else go back and play nothing else than the old sim. The reason you present here is totally irrelevant to the subject. was used because was a "quality brand" and that developers hoped to catch the old IL2 audience. Sure .point is War Thunder has SIX million fans and did not use the "il2 brand" why should they, that il-2 audience is very little. I doubt that this sim will be able to live without IL2 worshipers..... Wrong doubt, judging from the fact that so few people online consisted from il2 worshipers, and total sales of the game does not justify that from the small il-2 audience. . Your opinion is in the minority and your problems with IL2 are irrelevant anymore because most of them have been fixed for almost a decade. That's not an answer, nor does it play any role at all if my opinion is minority or majority, that cannot be prooven anyway and it doesn't matter either way.
LeLv76_Erkki Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 Sure .point is War Thunder has SIX million fans and did not use the "il2 brand" why should they, that il-2 audience is very little. Another line proving that you really do not know what you are talking about. Before WT, Gaijin published *drums* Il-2 Birds of Prey. It was a fairly lightweight flying game with simplified, licensed-from-il2 flight physics. And not a lot of content. Bad as a simulation, yet too difficult for casuals(unlike WT). It was marketed as a flight sim... Which it wasnt, and it more or less failed. That game later evolved into World of Planes that became the War Thunder. Il-2 is brand of a simulation, not of an action game.
AvengerSeawolf Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 That game later evolved into World of Planes that became the War Thunder Evolved , so I now what I am talking about, I mentioned this word multiple times, but seems you do not like to read all that I write but refer to portions to proove an opposition.So you don;t know what you really talk about.
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