Guest deleted@30725 Posted January 12, 2017 Posted January 12, 2017 I don't know about tools, but I just compare what the map is to what's on the ground because I know where I started from so i can work out how to get to target. It's a similar method I use with real maps navigating on the ground.
CUJO_1970 Posted January 13, 2017 Posted January 13, 2017 I just compare what the map is to what's on the ground Yep, I guess this is how it was always done back in the day...very impressive when you think these guys went out, got turned around in combat and then had to find their way back to base across an unfamiliar landscape. Imagine this would have been very difficult if you were re-basing a frequently as the front lines moved. Any wrong move could cost you your life.
SharpeXB Posted January 13, 2017 Posted January 13, 2017 I get the impression reading about the eastern front that the fighter pilots navigated by landmarks and such. They also did get lost sometimes too. The map detail in this game is really great and after playing on them for a while it's easy enough to navigate around and figure out where you are. One of the most immersive flight sim experiences for me was playing "dead is dead" Desastersoft in CoD and navigating all the way back to England at night by moonlight reflecting off rivers and coastlines. Big fun.
unreasonable Posted January 13, 2017 Posted January 13, 2017 I get the impression reading about the eastern front that the fighter pilots navigated by landmarks and such. They also did get lost sometimes too. The map detail in this game is really great and after playing on them for a while it's easy enough to navigate around and figure out where you are. One of the most immersive flight sim experiences for me was playing "dead is dead" Desastersoft in CoD and navigating all the way back to England at night by moonlight reflecting off rivers and coastlines. Big fun. I agree - but it easy enough to get lost on these maps too. Biggest problem I find is when you get in an extended fight - especially chasing bombers - which drags you a long way away from where you last fixed your position on the map. If you have neglected to check the heading of the overall movement of the fight - easily done especially when it changes - you can end up being 20km away from your last known point but not sure in what direction! That is where having an SOP for re-establishing position gets crucial, while you nervously watch your fuel state. When you finally do find a landmark you can positively identify, and then make it back to base, the satisfaction is huge!
IRRE_Centx Posted January 13, 2017 Posted January 13, 2017 Are there any historical navigation aids currently included? I don't think there are? Not sure if I understood your question correctly, but you can bring a RPK on some Soviets planes (Pe-2 has it by default if I remember correctly, but you can select one as optionnal modification on some other planes like Yaks) It will point the direction of a radio beacon on a friendly airfield. BUT it doesn't work properly sometimes... biggest problem is that a lot of VVS airfields don't have radio beacons, so sometimes the RPK makes you travel all around the map to reach the only airfield with activated beacon on your sector (and that's why I never take RPK xD) Don't know if there is something similar on German side.
Scojo Posted January 13, 2017 Posted January 13, 2017 I'd like to pose a question that relates to this OP... Would you guys prefer if expert mode got rid of the HUD notifications entirely? I.E. Kill feed, engine warnings, Lights on/off, etc... Would you guys also prefer expert didn't have throttle, rpm, radiator percentage HUD indicators?
Dakpilot Posted January 13, 2017 Posted January 13, 2017 Apparently the option to turn off 'technochat' server side is on the to do list Cheers Dakpilot 1
Scojo Posted January 13, 2017 Posted January 13, 2017 Apparently the option to turn off 'technochat' server side is on the to do list Cheers Dakpilot That's good to hear. I don't like having immediate notifications of when something happens like pilots bailing, buildings being destroyed, or planes hitting the ground. I'm ok with finding that out either in stat boards or even after landing at base, but not right when it happens.
coconut Posted January 13, 2017 Posted January 13, 2017 It is? Last I heard, which was before Jason took over, Han had rejected that idea.
216th_Jordan Posted January 13, 2017 Posted January 13, 2017 Apparently the option to turn off 'technochat' server side is on the to do list Cheers Dakpilot That is new to me too, any source? I would surely love that.
Dakpilot Posted January 13, 2017 Posted January 13, 2017 Check RUS Q and A forum, most recent set of answers, I used google translate, hence "apparently" Cheers Dakpilot
lantirn Posted January 13, 2017 Posted January 13, 2017 (edited) I completed all quick missions in normal mode, now I will do them again in expert. Its a totaly different simulation. No labels, no map. Can you confirm that you can see your position when opening the map by "O"?I wasnt expecting that at all. (or my settings are somewhat wrong) Also the zoom for ident is a crucial task to have in your hotas as some mentioned above! Edited January 13, 2017 by lantirn
IRRE_Centx Posted January 13, 2017 Posted January 13, 2017 (edited) Its a totaly different simulation. No labels, no map. Can you confirm that you can see your position when opening the map by "O"?I wasnt expecting that at all. (or my settings are somewhat wrong) This is a modifiable setting, some MP servers in "expert" have it, some don't. I think you can also remove it on SP mode by setting a "custom" difficulty", but not sure. Edited January 13, 2017 by -IRRE-Centx
Dakpilot Posted January 13, 2017 Posted January 13, 2017 I think if you press "I" (or is it "H" ? braindead) it removes 'GPS' position in expert, so the 'crutch' is there if you need it, but as said it can be disabled in server options Cheers Dakpilot
unreasonable Posted January 13, 2017 Posted January 13, 2017 (edited) I think you can also remove it on SP mode by setting a "custom" difficulty", but not sure. For SP - To get own plane marker on/off in O Map, Either be in Expert and toggle on/off using the "I" key, or Be in Custom and have "Navigation Markers" unticked, in which case you will not get it ever. Edited January 13, 2017 by unreasonable
ACG_pezman Posted January 13, 2017 Posted January 13, 2017 I can understand that you can learn with time (and by zooming) if an aircraft is a buddy or a target. But the map thing seems very interesting. Although i am a real pilot it seems crazy without the right tools. How is this going to happen without a navigation map and some tracks being plotted there for each mission? No mountaineous terrain, only snow, lakes, roads and rivers. (and some cities if lucky) You guys are navigating with the general feeling? Thats amazing if you know all the terrain, congrats! I am flying Normal settings but Expert seems impossible for me at least without some numbers ready for use. The link above is not working by the way! I am really interested in how you guys plan to reach the point of interest and turn back to homebase (tools-wise), especially online. I have no idea how online gaming works. Do you plan to depart and recover all together (mission) or there is a continious fireball somewhere that everybody gets killed somewhere in time (dogfight mode) ? Just out of curiosity where is the navigation equipment of Yak (avlSteve is talking about) ? yes navigating in this game can be hard. Everything that has been mentioned does work and is helpful, but I didn't see any tools provided like you asked for. This is a tool that one of my squadron members, 19.GIAP//curiousGamberr, has made to aid in navigation. It has a lot of cool features and is always being updated and upgraded. New icons are on the list of future improvements. http://il2missionplanner.com/ It will allow you to: plot flightpaths plot targets and objectives share your map with other members or people It works great on all devices. Curious designed it to be used with a mobile device since a lot of people don't have two screens available. Anyway, it will help get you where you are going.
69th_chuter Posted January 13, 2017 Posted January 13, 2017 The 110 and trimotor have PeilG 5 DF loops and the Ju88 has a PeilG 6 antenna on its spine as give aways for NDB (Non-Directional Beacon) navigation. Any of the fighters like the 109G4 and upcoming 190A5 with the FuG16z would as well as long as they have the loop and appropriate panel display. For DF one should be able to call an airfield (or known ground unit) for an NDB bearing, ID it, and navigate accordingly, reapeating as necessary until destination reached. The Russians may not be cooperative ... just saying.
Quax Posted January 14, 2017 Posted January 14, 2017 yes navigating in this game can be hard. Everything that has been mentioned does work and is helpful, but I didn't see any tools provided like you asked for. This is a tool that one of my squadron members, 19.GIAP//curiousGamberr, has made to aid in navigation. It has a lot of cool features and is always being updated and upgraded. New icons are on the list of future improvements. http://il2missionplanner.com/ It will allow you to: plot flightpaths plot targets and objectives share your map with other members or people It works great on all devices. Curious designed it to be used with a mobile device since a lot of people don't have two screens available. Anyway, it will help get you where you are going. Really cool "app". Is the guy, who created this, still active ? The moscow map would be very cool as well. I find it much harder to navigate there compared to Stalingrad.
216th_Jordan Posted January 14, 2017 Posted January 14, 2017 (edited) Really cool "app". Is the guy, who created this, still active ? The moscow map would be very cool as well. I find it much harder to navigate there compared to Stalingrad. Moscow map is integrated, just change the map by clicking the settings (gearwheel). Edited January 14, 2017 by 216th_Jordan
=WH=PangolinWranglin Posted January 14, 2017 Posted January 14, 2017 Could we get a crash course on navigation? I still suck at it but want to fly bombers on TAW.
ACG_pezman Posted January 14, 2017 Posted January 14, 2017 Could we get a crash course on navigation? I still suck at it but want to fly bombers on TAW. 1) Use the app provided (www.il2missionplanner.com) 2) Plan your route to target using easily identifiable landmarks. This method of navigation is called attack points. 3) Set barriers so you know when you have gone to far (I.e. The Volga river). You could fly by dead reckoning but that can get difficult if flying long distance over unchanging terrain. Sorry I can't be more helpful.
SharpeXB Posted January 15, 2017 Posted January 15, 2017 The technocrat is fine for Expert as long as it's only the "Technical" category; throttle position and flaps etc. things you would know as a real pilot. But "Tips" could be server side, things like "Engine Overheat" and such. 1
216th_Jordan Posted January 16, 2017 Posted January 16, 2017 The technocrat is fine for Expert as long as it's only the "Technical" category; throttle position and flaps etc. things you would know as a real pilot. But "Tips" could be server side, things like "Engine Overheat" and such. Also in which engine mode your plane currently is. Same would go for damages.
lantirn Posted January 20, 2017 Posted January 20, 2017 Just some feedback, After some practice I only fly expert mode. Really enjoyable especially the campaign! Highly recommended!
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