The tragedy of the GermanWings A320 was not the first case of potential suicidal pilot

[AA_Engadin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig9LE0Vp1YM

 

The question that arises is: where appropiate measures taken and implanted to avoid this sort of colective tragedies after this case?   I must admit I have no data about that. Or were they overriden by anti-terrorist measures after 9-11? 

 

AA_Engadin.

[Jason_Williams]

The only thing I can think of is a satellite command to the aircraft autopilot (if notified from the plane) to put the plane in a safe orbit and override any commands from the cockpit until the door can be opened and the maniac subdued. Kind of like my remote system for my car.

 

Jason

[SOLIDKREATE]

They should just program the damn plane so it can't crash into mountains. Use the GPS system combine with detection software. This is just s sad thing that happened.

[johncage]

pilot should have a key, no?

 

or an air martial should have the key no?

 

or just have an air martial period.

 

air marshal would have stopped this easily shoot through the pilot lock, take over controls. they had 8 minutes to do something....imagine being a passenger in those 8 minutes. 150 deaths.

[6./ZG26_Emil]

The only thing I can think of is a satellite command to the aircraft autopilot (if notified from the plane) to put the plane in a safe orbit and override any commands from the cockpit until the door can be opened and the maniac subdued. Kind of like my remote system for my car.

 

Jason

 

 

How long before we get drone like airliners? I don't think it's as far off as people imagine. They'd still have pilots but the whole thing could be monitored and controlled from the ground if need be like they do with Predators.

 

Would anyone feel less safe in an airliner controlled by computers and monitored by pilots on the ground? 

[unreasonable]

How long before we get drone like airliners? I don't think it's as far off as people imagine. They'd still have pilots but the whole thing could be monitored and controlled from the ground if need be like they do with Predators.

 

Would anyone feel less safe in an airliner controlled by computers and monitored by pilots on the ground?

As a regular business flyer until retirement, I have to admit I was always a little worried about the trend towards computer control, probably overly influenced by the old-school pilot crowd worried about being put out of work, but this crash and the Malaysian lost in the Indian Ocean case are making me reconsider. At least computers do not get depressed, suicidal, and decide to take hundreds of people with them.

 

Accidents are one thing, but being murdered by your pilot because he is feeling sorry for himself.... very sobering.

[taleks]

Any safety measure is not panacea.

 

If you can "switch off" cockpit controls remotely, then it also can be used to abuse safety system in other way, e.g. from ground.

Moreover, pilot can just poke a hole in a hull with some tool and get hull depressurization, take some flammable liquids with him and commit arson, distribute poisonous gas, etc.

There is no system, which can prevent intentional action of human in such autonomous vehicle as an aircraft.

 

In this tragedy, it is said that pilot was the reason, although I'm not sure, if it was stated as primary version already.

So, if it is true, then the real issue is that mental state of pilot was not detected when it was possible to avoid such consequences.

 

Will elimination of human-pilot will help to avoid such tragedies at all? I don't think so.

I remember certain cases when space vehicle was lost due a single error in a pretty long program, F-16 were rotating themselves when flying through equator line, etc.

Thus, it may help, but not completely, there will be other tragedies, with AI-pilots, before safe enough and non error-prone programs will be written.

[johncage]

you basically can't detect psychopathy. this is something you would have to be afflicted with if you take 150 people with you over some hurt feelings. depression is even harder to detect. what are you going to do? not clear him to fly because he's not smiling?

Edited March 27, 2015 by johncage

[Feathered_IV]

Hate to ask, but was he a Muslim?

[IRRE_Belmont]

Hate to ask, but was he a Muslim?

No, he wasn't

 

[Mastermariner]

Hate to ask, but was he a Muslim?

Don't you think we would have heard? Hate to say but,corporate media never miss a hint of Muslim involvement.

Master

[SOLIDKREATE]

I think he was suffering from sever depression. That disease will make you do some pretty stupid stuff.

[MiloMorai]

I (am ashamed to admit I) was surprised to find out he was Muslim, I had presumed he was a Hindu.

 

When India got its independence from the UK in 1947, the sub continent was further divided into India and Pakistan do to violent clashes between Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims. Pakistan became a Muslin country.

[taleks]

 

 

you basically can't detect psychopathy. this is something you would have to be afflicted with if you take 150 people with you over some hurt feelings. depression is even harder to detect.

May be it is difficult to detect.

But according to media that pilot visited doctor several times, so his decease was not completely unknown.

Of course he shouldn't be locked in a cage because of his health issues, but he should be properly monitored before flights or access any life critical system.

[unreasonable]

This is true.

 

I hadn't spent any time in the company of muslims until recently.

 

There is this guy that's just started in the office I work in.

He's a muslim from Pakistan and he's the gentlest most humble person I know.

 

I (am ashamed to admit I) was surprised to find out he was Muslim, I had presumed he was a Hindu.

 

I've asked him about ISIS and The Taliban and he was emphatic on telling me that these are not Muslims.

 

He tells me that their most highly respected Imam, he compared him to The Pope in order for me to understand his place in their religion, has publicly renounced these groups and that their actions are nothing to do with the Muslim faith.

 

Anyway, the media needs a demon and the Muslim faith is their current pick.

 

It seems that ISIS might claim to be acting for Allah but the true Muslims don't agree at all.

 

Off topic perhaps, but if you are allowed to make this sort of claim I do not see why I should not be able to make a rebuttal. Since there have been many actual or attempted efforts to commit mass murder by downing passenger jets as an act of jihad it seems to me that asking whether the pilot was a muslim is entirely reasonable.

 

"The Media" has bent over backwards for years trying to prevent anyone claiming that there is any sort of problem about Islam. Sunni-Shia civil war, misogyny, child rape grooming gangs, violent intolerance to perceived affronts like "The Satanic Verses" or prophet cartoons, the growth of anti-Semitic attacks in Europe, the persecution of religious minorities: the idea that these are all the invention of "The Media" is absurd, however agreeable individual Muslims you know may happen to be in a work setting.

 

Then there is the question of what constitutes a "True Muslim". Islam has no church or formal system of authority: imams get their reputation from their body of scholarship and judgments on Islamic law, so there is actually no-one who can authoritatively say what is "true islam" or not, except by looking at the words of the Koran. Since this contains loads of conflicting messages, people can find in it what they like. Ask the scholars and they will generally agree that the verses believed to be later over-ride the earlier when they are in conflict. As it happens, the later verses are all the most bloodthirsty. If Isis claim they are acting in the name of Islam, and quoting chapter and verse in doing so, what sense does it make to deny that they are "true muslims". 

 

As I see it there is a real problem in integrating islam and the western world. But then I would think that: as an atheist I could be executed or thrown into prison by the state, or murdered by vigilantes, for merely stating my beliefs in most muslim majority countries.

[Mastermariner]

If the co-pilot was indeed diagnosed with depressive disorder it was a major wrong to let him continue flying since suicide is not uncommon for them, and if he's responsible for the life's of  +150 people I think the decision to ground him would not be a hard one.