KoN_ Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 I have been flying quite a lot of online servers over the last few months , since BOS release and have noticed that the BF109-f4 is always used up , and the G2 is always available , why is that .?? Why do people prefer the F4 to the G2 .
CaK_Rumcajs Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 I have been flying quite a lot of online servers over the last few months , since BOS release and have noticed that the BF109-f4 is always used up , and the G2 is always available , why is that .?? Why do people prefer the F4 to the G2 . Because the F4 performs better. It may even be a bug but the F4 outclimbs, outturns and outflies the G2. As has already been suggested by Kwiatek the F4 overperforms in altitude by quite a lot. The F4 can take on the Yak in a turn fight. One doesn't have to run some rocket science to find pretty fast that the F4 gives a high chance to escape the odds when needed while the G2 doesn't provide its pilots with such convenience.
Leaf Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 Why do people prefer the F4 to the G2 . Childhood trauma maybe, or just an inherent lack of taste?
=LD=Rulo Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 In my case, you have better view in almost every angle from the f4 copckit. Rulo 1
Dakpilot Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 In my case, you have better view in almost every angle from the f4 copckit. Rulo I think that is the main reason, although the other day when flying the G2 my armoured glass took a hit right between my eyes and just starred nicely with no penetration..had to like that Cheers Dakpilot
ACG_pezman Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 The 109F4 has more throttle power, of course its much easier to blow your engine. However I feel they nerfed the F4. Seems to stall much easier and flop more than even the 190 at low alt and low speed. However the German aircraft shouldn't be going low and slow to begin with.
II./JG77_Manu* Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 I have been flying quite a lot of online servers over the last few months , since BOS release and have noticed that the BF109-f4 is always used up , and the G2 is always available , why is that .?? Why do people prefer the F4 to the G2 . Simple. Because it's overperforming. Same reason why almost all the Russians fly the Yak. People apparently tend to use every flaw, to be "best" as possible..sad but true.
unreasonable Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 I would be perfectly happy to fly the G2 sometimes except that I find it very difficult to control the throttle: the F4's throttle is much more precise. (Not sure if this has been fixed: my last update ate my game and I have not got round to complete reinstall, reset controls etc).
303_Kwiatek Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) IRL G-2 was faster then F-4 at high alts and got better climb rate at 1.32 ATa. F-4 1.32 Ata - 18.5 m/s ( max speed ab. 650 kph at 6.2 km at 1.42 Ata ) G-2 1.32 Ata - 21 m/s ( max speed 660 kph at 7 km at 1.3 Ata) In BOS F-4 is little overperforming G-2 which shouldn't be thats why people prefer F-4. Yak-1 is also overperforming thats why more resonable chooice against it is F-4. Of course F-4 got also better view from cocpit. For comparison RL climb data for Yak-1 69 series at full power is only 15 m/s. ( 6.4 minutes to 5 km) Interesting how climb rates are in BOS at ISA conditions but i put some money that Yak-1 is not far behind G-2. Edited March 26, 2015 by 303_Kwiatek 1
6./ZG26_5tuka Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) The G-2 is also heavier and offers less manouvrebility. The cockpit - while iffering a better rear view with the armoured glass plate - is worse due to the thicker struts and i didn't notice any benefit in pilot protection yet either. So overall the G-2 is inferiour in BoS in nearly every aspect. Furthermore the Yak pses a great threat as well which is why the G-2 can compete worse than the F-4. Even though competition does not mean much ingame most people seek for the most advantage, that's why you'll see many 109 F-4 vs Yak fighs in MP. I fly the G-2 less due to other reasons though, namely no linear throttle bug and broken Kommandogerät at low airspeeds. Edited March 26, 2015 by Stab/JG26_5tuka
KoN_ Posted March 27, 2015 Author Posted March 27, 2015 (edited) In my case, you have better view in almost every angle from the f4 copckit. Rulo Yes that is very true in my case also . Also the throttle is broken still and that needs a fix , maybe we need a FM update on the G2 but we need the proof so i hear . Edited March 27, 2015 by II./JG77_Con 1
6./ZG26_5tuka Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 Infact they know about the broken throttle. It has been reported several times already. The last reply I know of was "We know about non linear throttle controll on G-2 and it's fine. Won't be changed in future". On the other hand they sayed similar stuff about other FM issues as well and suprisingly enought fixed them neverthanless later, so maybe we can till look forward to this change.
6./ZG26_Emil Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 Infact they know about the broken throttle. It has been reported several times already. The last reply I know of was "We know about non linear throttle controll on G-2 and it's fine. Won't be changed in future". On the other hand they sayed similar stuff about other FM issues as well and suprisingly enought fixed them neverthanless later, so maybe we can till look forward to this change. The throttle may actually be realistic behavior but what isn't is my warthog throttle which under it's own weight can change the throttle from 90-95% which is annoying. At least we're not at risk of blowing the engine :D
Reflected Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 Infact they know about the broken throttle. It has been reported several times already. The last reply I know of was "We know about non linear throttle controll on G-2 and it's fine. Won't be changed in future". On the other hand they sayed similar stuff about other FM issues as well and suprisingly enought fixed them neverthanless later, so maybe we can till look forward to this change. Interesting, in the beginning the F-4's throttle was the same, then they fixed it. a) They intentionally made the F-4's throttle unrealistic :D b) There really was such a difference between the 2 variants - errr.... c) They're not admitting it's wrong, but might fix it one day d) They really don't want to be bothered by something so [sarcasm]unimportant[sarcasm] in a sim. I bet on "c".
6./ZG26_5tuka Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 (edited) The throttle may actually be realistic behavior but what isn't is my warthog throttle which under it's own weight can change the throttle from 90-95% which is annoying. At least we're not at risk of blowing the engine :D No it isn't. The throttle linkage on the G-2 weas the same asa on the F-4 (why should it have changed) so was the Kommandogerät itself. The only difference is, that the G-2 has been limited to 1.3 ata by simply implementing a brace into the throttle itself. That has by no means no linear effects. It rather seems to me that certain % are linked to certain ata numbers (which again are linked to RPM via the Kommandogerät) and that this has been implemented rather unsufficient on the G-2. Interesting, in the beginning the F-4's throttle was the same, then they fixed it. a) They intentionally made the F-4's throttle unrealistic :D b) There really was such a difference between the 2 variants - errr.... c) They're not admitting it's wrong, but might fix it one day d) They really don't want to be bothered by something so [sarcasm]unimportant[sarcasm] in a sim. I bet on "c". I talked with sby PMing Han presenting him this issue. He shared his replys, in which Han sayed the same thing as I did. So yes, devs know about it but actually don't plan to fix it (" it's fine" ). This statement is dated back to early december 2014 I think and I hope to be proven wrong by future changes / statements. Edited March 27, 2015 by Stab/JG26_5tuka 1
widgeon Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 Interesting, in the beginning the F-4's throttle was the same, then they fixed it. a) They intentionally made the F-4's throttle unrealistic :D b) There really was such a difference between the 2 variants - errr.... c) They're not admitting it's wrong, but might fix it one day d) They really don't want to be bothered by something so [sarcasm]unimportant[sarcasm] in a sim. I bet on "c". I don't fly the G-2 because of the throttle. That can't possibly represent the real thing? If it does, could somebody explain why the engineers would design the throttle to work in this way? 1
wtornado Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 If Hans-Joachim Marseille refused direct orders to fly a G-2 preferring the F-4 as being the ''aircraft of experts''. Then that is good enough for me. Sort of even worse when the G-2' engine failed and the incident killed him. Hehehe 1
II./JG77_Manu* Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 If Hans-Joachim Marseille refused direct orders to fly a G-2 preferring the F-4 as being the ''aircraft of experts''. Then that is good enough for me. Sort of even worse when the G-2' engine failed and the incident killed him. Hehehe Unfortunately, but right... On the other side..Ask Hartmann about his opinion of G2 and G6
Wulf Posted March 29, 2015 Posted March 29, 2015 If Hans-Joachim Marseille refused direct orders to fly a G-2 preferring the F-4 as being the ''aircraft of experts''. Then that is good enough for me. Sort of even worse when the G-2' engine failed and the incident killed him. Hehehe Interesting sense of humour. I guess you wouldn't get too many requests to help out at your local hospice then....
6./ZG26_Emil Posted March 29, 2015 Posted March 29, 2015 (edited) Drop tank eh? That should be fun. We could do with drop tanks on all 109s. I'm always running out of gas :D http://albumwar2.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/38465-728x629.jpg Edited March 29, 2015 by 6./JG5_Emil
Yazh-29 Posted March 29, 2015 Posted March 29, 2015 We could do with drop tanks on all 109s. http://albumwar2.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/38465-728x629.jpg It would be very interesting.
Roo5ter Posted March 30, 2015 Posted March 30, 2015 We could do with drop tanks on all 109s. I'm always running out of gas :D http://albumwar2.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/38465-728x629.jpg +1 Sir!
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