My kind of girls!

[Finkeren]

As for why some women might be attracted to reenactment, I really don't know, but again I suspect that their motivations are not so different from the men they team up with.

 

I know a few reenactors, but when I was younger, I has quite a few friends who were heavily into LARP. In particular there was a bunch of girls who did what was termed "war-LARPing" a form of LARP with a strong focus on tactics and combat, often in historical rather than fantasy settings. These girls were absolutely into war for wars own sake, and they definitely weren't just out to "snag a viking", in fact some of them formed a warband just for women after they had their fill of unwanted sexual advances from their team mates.

 

These girls by no means represented the majority of female LARPers, but they were there.

[unreasonable]

I think you are overcomplicating things when trying to analyze the reasons why women might find interest in WW2 aviation. I think the women who are attracted to a sim like this are so for much the same reasons we as men are, it's just that those women make up a smaller percentage of the total female population.

 

While there are significant differences between a male and female psyche (on average) it's still a spectrum, not two completely seperate entities that function on different principles.

 

I agree that there are many commonalities between the sexes, etc - two overlapping  normal distribution curves with different means and variance for whatever variable you are looking at will capture all of that.

 

But - and it is a big but, not all the differences between the sexes fall on a spectrum. You either have a Y chromosome or you do not. You either make sperm or eggs.  

 

Given that successful reproduction is all that matters biologically speaking, it would be simply amazing if there were not fundamental differences in the mental as well as physical attributes required for very different strategies required to optimize success.  I know we are not completely prisoners of our biology - but at best I would say that we are on probation from it. 

 

Had to look up LARPing    If they are into war for war's sake why not just join the army?  

[Finkeren]

As with anything in biology the divide between sexes is not as black/white as it seems.

 

The very fact that in relatively closely related species sex is determined by completely different chromosomes should tell us, that sexual reproduction is not set in stone but is a fluid dynamic. Some species that used to have sexual reproduction now get by completely without males and have virgin births (there is a species of all-female lizards still need to mate with one another in order to ovulate - an entire species of lesbians) Some species change sex depending on the temperature of their surroundings. Why would we then expect men and women to be completely distinct? I'm by no means denying the differences, both physical and mental, between sexes/genders, but I'm saying, that it is a spectrum rather than a sharp division.

[sniperton]

If anyone interested:

 

http://www.d.umn.edu/cla/faculty/troufs/anth4616/cpperception_male-female.html

 

Funny and true:

[6./ZG26_Custard]

If Women want to participate I see no issues with that and I’m sure they would be welcomed BUT Men and women are a sexually dimorphic species (something 3^rd wave feminism doesn’t want to accept)

 

 

Maybe the reason we don’t have many women or girls flying in WW1 and WWII flight sims is because even the smaller percentage you mentioned are just not that interested in the subject matter?

 

With regards to re-enactment, something I have been involved with in the past, many of the women and girls there are wives and girlfriends who make up the numbers. I’m not taking anything away from those ladies who are willing to help out or participate.

 

I have also been involved in La LARPing (Treasure Trap) and most of the females that I have seen that attended didn’t play hulking warrior women. They tended to be scantily clad elves or mages.

 

The same thing goes for Cosplay. Women wearing sexy costumes being lusted after by nerdy guys. I know guys Cosplay too but it’s mostly women.

It almost seems now that if women are not interested in a subject the done thing to do is we must make it so they are for the sake of “gender equality.”

[unreasonable]

As with anything in biology the divide between sexes is not as black/white as it seems.

 

The very fact that in relatively closely related species sex is determined by completely different chromosomes should tell us, that sexual reproduction is not set in stone but is a fluid dynamic. Some species that used to have sexual reproduction now get by completely without males and have virgin births (there is a species of all-female lizards still need to mate with one another in order to ovulate - an entire species of lesbians) Some species change sex depending on the temperature of their surroundings. Why would we then expect men and women to be completely distinct? I'm by no means denying the differences, both physical and mental, between sexes/genders, but I'm saying, that it is a spectrum rather than a sharp division.

 

We - our species - were once something like flatworms, but that tells us nothing about the current differences in preference between the sexes.  I wonder what ancestral species of ours was the first to have the XY feature? A quick look suggests that that this might have started in the order of 300 million years ago and got progressively more entrenched ever since. So it is just a simple fact that men and women have differences in their instruction manuals that are determined by their sex, which in humans is determined by their chromosomes. 

 

Saying that male and female characteristics - for a certain variable - lie on a spectrum can be deeply misleading: in most cases they lie on two, overlapping spectra. This is not the same thing at all.  Treating it as one spectrum is the ultimate scientific error - it is losing information and predictive ability. If that error is made knowingly and deliberately in order to further some political agenda then it becomes, IMHO, a crime against knowledge.

 

 

 

It almost seems now that if women are not interested in a subject the done thing to do is we must make it so they are for the sake of “gender equality.”

 

You will know when we have real sexual - or gender - equality: Wimbledon and other sporting competitions will no longer have sexist divisions. There will be one competition, open to all, let the best player win.

 

Don't hold your breath.

[6./ZG26_Custard]

You will know when we have real sexual - or gender - equality: Wimbledon and other sporting competitions will no longer have sexist divisions. There will be one competition, open to all, let the best player win. Don't hold your breath.

Indeed.

 

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/world-game/80405759/australian-womens-football-team-thumped-70-by-newcastle-under15-boys-team

 

Probably the best female boxer in history Lucia Rijker, lasted less than 2 rounds against Somchai Jaidee (a male) She has plenty of heart but biology got in the way.

 

Edited July 18, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Custard

[Finkeren]

i do wonder why women dont do better racing or at chess or go if i abide theyre more intelligent than men

Why would they be more intelligent than men? Noone is claiming that.

[sniperton]

I really don't understand this whole discussion. Particularly not the emotions. With some exceptions, women are more enthusiastic about flowers than about ball-bearings. Simply that. No accusation, statistical fact. We're different and equal. I think my wife is more clever than me. She thinks I'm more clever than she is. It's just normal. Are we abnormal? Anyway, I don't see the problem.

[6./ZG26_Custard]

i claim it, man is stronger woman more intelligent specially on emotional intelligence they nearly can read your mind by the way you look and act

 

maybe they lack the egocentric competitive spirit and thats why they dont do well at high level chess or racing

 

on the leaderboard i would use to compete in raceroom there was not a single female at the top

The variability hypothesis comes into play when discussing not just humans but many other animals. The average male will 99.9% of the time have more upper body strength than the average women.

Women and men display roughly equal average Intellgence but women tend to cluster around the average intelligence which in theory means most women are of fairly reasonable intelligence. Men’s intelligence on the other hand swings to both ends of the spectrum. Therefore, you tend to get utter geniuses and abject idiots more often in men than you do women. I would thoroughly recommend looking up and checking the work of Helena Cronin a Darwinian philosopher and rationalist. 

[Mastermariner]

Post some QTs buut pls dont turn this thread into a ...

[Soarfeat]

 I have a daughter ( now 23 ), also a son ( now 19 ) .  In regards to men and women or for the bigger part our species overall, it is how we combine our strengths and differences that make for a wonderful and graceful journey " together ".

Case in point :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKkVETYgTfs

 

cheers-sf-

Edited July 20, 2017 by soarfeat

[Mastermariner]

Thanks, that was divine

[Finkeren]

Amazing performance - and Disturbed's cover of Sound of Silence is not half bad either.