Jaws2002 Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 [Edited] Perfect proof that without a few weeks ban they will never learn.
1/JG601_Loki- Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 Possible, nothing to fly on Russian servers, then you will not cry that it offended the evil Russian uncle) 1
Rama Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 Loki Better stop this childish attitude right now..... If not,I think will remember I have the moderation rights. 1
1/JG601_Loki- Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) [Edited] Edited March 13, 2015 by Bearcat 1
Knopfler Posted March 12, 2015 Author Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) [Edited] Well my friends , this is the type of people I mentioned , who has never had anything to do with the wonderful IL2 community . I'm going to get me a nice plate of pasta while I look at the coliseum outside my window Edited March 13, 2015 by Bearcat
sallee Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 Well my friends , this is the type of people I mentioned , who has never had anything to do with the wonderful IL2 community . I'm going to get me a nice plate of pasta while I look at the coliseum outside my window Fortunato!
donkeycods Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 I wouldn't know if anyone used bad language since the last few nights I actually had time to play, hopped on to join a server and saw the most population on any of them during U.S. prime time was 5. Not even worth my time flying around empty skies with that type of population.
=EXPEND=Dendro Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 (edited) BlackMamba (that is the common version of my name btw lol) can be the the best pilot around.... excellent flying skills etc.... but if you have no manners and cannot respect fellow players, I welcome the prospect of having you promptly ejected and possibly banned from ever flying with us again, EVEN IF I AM FOREIGN AND IT IS A RUSSIAN SERVER. The best players/pilots are those with friendly attitudes no matter how bad their flying skills are. I have no time for as*h*les even if they are great pilots. If there are moderators on these forums then surely there is strong need for moderation on the one aspect of IL2 that brings us all together - the game itself. Edited March 13, 2015 by DendroAspis 1
1./KG4_Blackwolf Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 I've been on line since 2004 in IL2 '46 and on up. I have only had one time when I logged onto a server (in this game) as soon as I spawned in, couldn't even start up I was shot and killed, spawn campers. So I called them out on it. I was met with three or more who as they circled around the base I was at chatted to me all kinds of nasty comments. I won't repeat here but it involved the same stuff, noob, gay..yadda yadda. This verbal attack went on for about 15 minutes before I just logged out. I have never gone back to that server and never will. I brought it up to the person who runs the server. I said If you allow this type of behavior in your server you will soon find it empty. No one should have to put up with that ever. No response, at all. I was online at New Wings with Jaws, Yakdriver and a few others and we had a great time. No one that was on at that time acted as the A**hats on that other server did. Point is if you run a server and allow that to go on you will lose all other players. I will never go back to that server even if the A**hats are gone, the lack of any communication from the server owner let me know all I needed to about that. CFS is a very small group but trying to grow with people that act this way..no I'd rather just stay a small group let them go back to BF/COD or whatever first person shooter X-box game they came from. The best players/pilots are those with friendly attitudes no matter how bad their flying skills are. I have no time for as*h*les even if they are great pilots. Couldn't have said it better. S!
Vex Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 Never had this attitude back in the day, it was always fun and full of sportsmanship.
voncrapenhauser Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 (edited) One thing I have noticed since playing Il2 BOS is the appearance of childish players who have been dishing out insults and using offensive language. I think the term I despise most is "noob". When I hear this I imagine some pimply, arrogant, smug teenager who is used to playing call of duty, eating his doritos and getting a kick out of demeaning new players who havent the 12 years experience in front of the computer as he has. I was always put off by the arrogant, bratty teenager vibe of the first person shooters and other arcade, quick fix, type games and felt comfort in knowing that the fan bases of my beloved flight simulators were, in the majority of cases, of a higher maturity and class to this. Back in the RB3D days you rarely saw this type of behaviour, you definitely never saw the word "noob" appearing. These days you can pick an old hand when you see a "S!" given after a kill. It was a sad day for me when during a routine session in IL2 BOS that I saw messages such as "f*** u f***et" and "noob" being posted. Flight simulations are complex games with steep learning curves, they take years of virtual flying/combat experience to gain the knowledge required to become truly successful in them against the best in the business and you usually find a large contingent of highly intelligent, passionate players in both the game and the forums. I really hope we can bring back the gaming experience and level of respect between players as we had in the past. The Bf109 is the greatest aircraft in history by the way and I love the coziness of the cockpit....S! +1 Everyone is a noob (I hate using that term) at least once in any game starting out surely. Edited March 13, 2015 by voncrapenhauser
Feathered_IV Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 (edited) Folgore90, BlAcK_Mamba excellent pilot, are you saying that he was 15 years old, yes you are right he is 15 years old, but he was 15 when you went esche in diapers, so do not cry like a little girl, sit down in front of televizarom, attempts pasta, and do not cry. Greetings from Russia) [Edited] Edited March 13, 2015 by Bearcat
FS_Fenice_1965 Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 Point is if you run a server and allow that to go on you will lose all other players +1 I agree totally. In my admin experience I've found that the most distructive fact for a server is allowing people to harrass and insult themselves. People like to fly in a friendly and polite environment.
Ala13_Kike Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 and...what about some tactics playing, like shoulder shooting, or vulching?...not only the insults has a problem, bad players with bad rules it's the same for me (I know that depend of the servers and his rules, of course), and in some cases, are users with one TAG
Zak Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 Checking in just to remind you that you always can kickban a player from a server with a simple vote procedure. 1
[TWB]80hd Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 I don't mind vulching when it's on a mission/objective based server... I mean, I raise an eyebrow and smirk a bit when guys avoid the ongoing furball over Stalingrad to come screaming in to Verk with their guns blazing, but it is what it is. I mean, I still call them dirty vulchers hahahaha don't get me wrong. Shoulder shooting? Meh... if I'm not getting it done and you can, go for it.
Ala13_Kike Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 But not if you don't know that I'm doing this. One thing it's "work in team", and another thing "disturb the combat because I'm a killer better than you..." Not the first time That I need to break due this, and I see another BF109 and not a YAK or LA .... and the LA or YAK watching this and saying "neither covered they 6 ... get 'em!!"... I can understand the "vulching" if server permit, but...only if the mission it's to take one enemy base, not to take points and fu@# players trying to do T/off or landing. I learned one very simple rule in Il2 1946, fly with respect at the friend and plus to enemy...But I understand that it's my education when I play at flight sims, not that all people need to do 1
Bearcat Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 If you have issues with a player on a given server report it to the server admins. Not here.
Ala13_Kike Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 I'm generalizing, if your message is for me, I have not named anyone. I speak of the skills that I do not like, but I respect what everyone wants to do playing. I have many servers and so have many options
-NW-ChiefRedCloud Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 Let me try to shed some light on this from a server operators view point. WE all make slips in our daily conversations. In example you stub your toes and you may come out with a brisk explanative. This though maybe embarrassing, is common. This is one of the biggest arguments we get at New Wings with claims it was a slip of the tongue. The point being that this is in CHAT. Which takes a conscious thought to type. In other words, you have to KNOW you want to curse to type it. It is NOT a slip of the tongue. Then there are the little innuendoes like WTF. I seriously doubt anyone here doesn't know what it means. However some of the very same folks that do not like bad languages on servers tend to make a big joke of this. We at New Wings, using ourselves as examples, try our very best with our small volunteer group to insure that we present a family friendly atmosphere. But many sneer at our efforts and only see it as oppression of their FREE speech or expression. The problem with this argument is that anyone on OUR servers are there as our guest. I don't know how the average person would respond to someone coming into their house or home and beginning to curse and rant, but in my house they would be shown the door. Some are more interested in making a stamen or scene than they are in flying. This is sad as it spoils it for everyone else. Ignore them? Good idea but unfortunately it does not solve the problem or make it go away. As Zak says, you can vote to kick them. Though I believe, correct me if I'm wrong Zak, that this is only temporary. Over on RoF we were able to ban upwards to 2 weeks via the forums. And thanks to Vaal we have the perma ban script which we use only as a last resort. At New Wings, we are not trying to be confrontational. We do try to WARN someone that is misbehaving with the hope that they just don't understand things. But when we get no response or a snide or belligerent response we act accordingly. First a kick, then a small ban/time out, then perma ban. And not in that order necessarily. It depends on the person and THEIR attitude. In the end its about providing a fun friendly atmosphere for all to enjoy themselves in. If the price is to kick someone out, then so be it. If you don't like our rules, take it some where else or start your own server where anyone can curse or misbehave. I will say, with no disrespect to RoF or BoS Dev's, that I believe that they could provide server operators with much better Server Admin tools than we have. But that at the moment is how it is. Chief 2
Knopfler Posted March 13, 2015 Author Posted March 13, 2015 If you have issues with a player on a given server report it to the server admins. Not here. It 's hard to report who take a certain abusive attitude to every server admin of all servers . You could also make a forum area (eg a martial court) where to report such behavior including teamkillers gunner trolls and aggressive people, doing a kind of blacklist and facilitating the work to admins. Also allowing these people to be isolated from the multiplayer and let him make a good offline experience so refreshing ideas. If I did the names I did not report for a specific case , but a wave of keyboard warriors that may well return to their childish games . We want back the serious people who once crowded the servers. Could this also be a reason why the servers are almost empty compared with the past? Judge for yourself
BraveSirRobin Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 I would not use Wargrounds as an example for how to moderate your server. Someone recently joined their server with the profile name "severed_head". He was told to change his profile name out of consideration for the innocent people who were being beheaded (think I'm kidding? the chat log is comic gold http://stats.newwingstraining.com/mission/9886/). He left and returned as "attached_head".
6./ZG26_Custard Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 I think as I said towards the top of this post, that if we have the ability to mute and ignore in the in-game chat function a lot of the problem would just disappear because the ego maniacs / abusive players, who think they are gods gift to the virtual flight Sim world would just end up talking to themselves. The best players/pilots are those with friendly attitudes no matter how bad their flying skills are. I have no time for as*h*les even if they are great pilots. It's been quoted several times already but amen to that.
69th_chuter Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 Have the devs set the tailwheel to permanently unlocked for every single plane on their account. (assuming groundstart servers) Tailwheels are lockable? What's that do? Is it like a car boot?
Livai Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 I spawned in, couldn't even start up I was shot and killed, spawn campers. So I called them out on it. I was met with three or more who as they circled around the base I was at chatted to me all kinds of nasty comments. I won't repeat here but it involved the same stuff, noob, gay..yadda yadda. This verbal attack went on for about 15 minutes before I just logged out. They can fly and chat at the same time 15 minutes and nobody could use this time to shot them down? BTW, airfields have AA guns to shot campers down? 15 minutes and the AI AA - Gunner are not able to shot down campers at low altitude around the airfield? Whats wrong with the AI?
-NW-FourSpeed Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 I would not use Wargrounds as an example for how to moderate your server. Someone recently joined their server with the profile name "severed_head". He was told to change his profile name out of consideration for the innocent people who were being beheaded (think I'm kidding? the chat log is comic gold http://stats.newwingstraining.com/mission/9886/). He left and returned as "attached_head". I probably don't want to go too far into this one, because having read that log, I'm much more inclined (personally) to boot the guys who were berating brak for what seemed to be a politely worded request -- and, that does appear to be a recurring theme by a few certain WG folks who seem to get their jollies from verbally abusing other folks in chat. In fact, when there IS a fracas on one of our servers, I can usually predict at least 3 or 4 individuals who are usually at the center of it. A few of them have, in fact, been banned for that behaviour in the past. As a server admin, it's a pretty fine line to walk. If things are too strict, people will leave. It it's too lax, it becomes a "wild west", and people will leave. At least for New Wings, we do have clearly published policies, we do have admins that actually fly in the servers fairly regularly, we do review logs, and we are always willing to review, discuss, and act upon any situations that arise. To varying degrees - every server has these kinds of problems - the only ones that don't are ones that no people fly on... As soon as people get into the mix, these things start to crop up. With regard to this particular post, I'll reiterate a couple points that have been made in here: 1> We *expect* everyone flying our servers to read the rules and follow them. 2> We understand that sometimes in a competitive envirionment, things can be a little heated, and we further know that some folks are more "sensitive" about some elements of that than others are -- so some amount of discretion (on everyone's part) is helpful. That said, *patterns* of repeated abuse, foul language, team-killing, and other @$$hattery will be actioned, and rightly so. 3> As Bearcat mentioned, if there IS a problem with a particular player on a New Wings server, *please* report it to us on our forum so we can look into it. I'm sure other server admins feel similarly - it is not 1C/777's *job* to police servers - it is the responsibility of server operators to do that for their server. The primary goal, is to have a game that ALL of us can enjoy, and as a server operator, our goal is to help provide an environment where that can happen more consistently than not. Regards, 4 <salute>
Bearcat Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 The bottom line ion all this though is that no one here has any power to do anything on an individual server. The server admins do. So if your problem is with a person on a server posting here is meaningless. They may not even come here.. or they may come here under a different name. Just.. handle your business. This is what happens when you have folks from two different cultures meeting. It is up to the folks from the more regulated culture to indoctrinate the folks from the lesser regulated culture.. If that requires server bans or whatever so be it.. Letting folks have their way because the pool is small is counter productive if you want the pool to be a certain way. Call them out.. smack them upside the head.. if they leave they leave.. but eventually your server will gain a rep as a server where BS is not tolerated.. and it will grow and the people who come will know up front that this server is this way.. which is as it should be.
1./KG4_Blackwolf Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 +1 I agree totally. In my admin experience I've found that the most distructive fact for a server is allowing people to harrass and insult themselves. People like to fly in a friendly and polite environment. Yes back in the heyday of HL you guys had a few servers running at once I had two going myself. I never had this type of behavior on mine. FS Foxbat used to fly in there with us from time to time. I was sorry to hear of his passing. The bottom line ion all this though is that no one here has any power to do anything on an individual server. The server admins do. So if your problem is with a person on a server posting here is meaningless. They may not even come here.. or they may come here under a different name. Just.. handle your business. This is what happens when you have folks from two different cultures meeting. It is up to the folks from the more regulated culture to indoctrinate the folks from the lesser regulated culture.. If that requires server bans or whatever so be it.. Letting folks have their way because the pool is small is counter productive if you want the pool to be a certain way. Call them out.. smack them upside the head.. if they leave they leave.. but eventually your server will gain a rep as a server where BS is not tolerated.. and it will grow and the people who come will know up front that this server is this way.. which is as it should be. Thats the point BC, a server admin needs to handle their business. After my abuse( I said 15 minutes but more like 5 I guess) I just couldn't believe what I was reading so I went to the admin with screenshots and nothing was done. I still have the screenshots and names, it won't do any good but I know what server to stay out of. I might have it wrong but I think this thread is more about bringing it to the attention of the devs, yes servers have a vote system like ROF but what if 12 people are on and you need 20 votes to kick/ban? The guy can still cause hate and discontent all night if a admin isn't on. There has to be a happy middle somewhere. But coming here and complaining won't help, just go to the server admin and hope they are responsible enough to do something about it.
Feathered_IV Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 Tailwheels are lockable? What's that do? Is it like a car boot? Post of the year!
FS_Fenice_1965 Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 Posted Today, 01:06 FS_Fenice_1965, on 13 Mar 2015 - 09:46, said: +1 I agree totally. In my admin experience I've found that the most distructive fact for a server is allowing people to harrass and insult themselves. People like to fly in a friendly and polite environment. Yes back in the heyday of HL you guys had a few servers running at once I had two going myself. I never had this type of behavior on mine. FS Foxbat used to fly in there with us from time to time. I was sorry to hear of his passing. That's what I was going to say. We played with many of yours a lot of years without any issue. I personally remember the gallantry and politeness of Fox, Ricoh, BlackShark, Veta, Ugol, Loki and the missed JWolf. I know Loki personally. Had the opportunity to meet him at the Rivolto airshow back in 2010. Also I had the luck to meet many times Jwolf who lived in my same city. Very sad news that he passed away last month. All of those pilots were absolutely correct.
Yakdriver Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 I would not use Wargrounds as an example for how to moderate your server. Someone recently joined their server with the profile name "severed_head". He was told to change his profile name out of consideration for the innocent people who were being beheaded (think I'm kidding? the chat log is comic gold http://stats.newwingstraining.com/mission/9886/). He left and returned as "attached_head". spilled me milk... LOL!
Trooper117 Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 Unfortunately you are never going to stop this kind of behaviour... it's with us because like any group of people, we are a cross section of society. Why?... like it or not, we as a race have moved away from some of our core values. It's been getting worse since the 60's believe it or not, and I suspect it will get worse before it gets better. Me... I disciplined my kids for any kind of bad behaviour, in particular bad manners and unsocial behaviour. Now, they are grown and responsible adults with families of their own. But when I see the behaviour of some people who have grown up in a, shall we say, politically correct and 'forgiving' society, and the offspring that some of them have produced, I feel quite ashamed that we as 'responsible human beings' have allowed them to flourish in the fashion they desire. Bad manners and loutish behaviour seem to be the norm, and not unnaturally, some of them have made it their mission in life to continue their rampage in ours... Give them to me for 5 mins, and I assure you they would have a completely different outlook on life!
Yakdriver Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 I would not use Wargrounds as an example for how to moderate your server. Someone recently joined their server with the profile name "severed_head". He was told to change his profile name out of consideration for the innocent people who were being beheaded (think I'm kidding? the chat log is comic gold http://stats.newwingstraining.com/mission/9886/). He left and returned as "attached_head". That chatlog is just a mess... IMO? PC gone wild. tiptoeing around silly issues. both the the severed_attached head and the admin messing up big time. admin"take it up with management!" user"as admin you ARE management" ...and the severed head issue was basically only 5% of the beef going around... some proper mess-ups. fun reading.
Knopfler Posted March 14, 2015 Author Posted March 14, 2015 The bottom line ion all this though is that no one here has any power to do anything on an individual server. The server admins do. So if your problem is with a person on a server posting here is meaningless. They may not even come here.. or they may come here under a different name. Just.. handle your business. This is what happens when you have folks from two different cultures meeting. It is up to the folks from the more regulated culture to indoctrinate the folks from the lesser regulated culture.. If that requires server bans or whatever so be it.. Letting folks have their way because the pool is small is counter productive if you want the pool to be a certain way. Call them out.. smack them upside the head.. if they leave they leave.. but eventually your server will gain a rep as a server where BS is not tolerated.. and it will grow and the people who come will know up front that this server is this way.. which is as it should be. Understand .. my proposal to devote a special section for disciplinary behavior was only to help the moderators and server admins, just to warn people who paid to have fun and spend their free time to fly blithely and serenely avoiding scum of the internet. Regards
Knopfler Posted March 14, 2015 Author Posted March 14, 2015 I wonder if the stupidity and futility of certain people have a limit. In his little world of wonders, report abusive behavior means being snitch .
sallee Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 At least you have the satisfaction of knowing that he was waiting for hours in his cell waiting for you to log in, so he can't have been bothering anyone else! What a sad pup he must be.
=EXPEND=Dendro Posted March 15, 2015 Posted March 15, 2015 He is not 15.... probably about 5 or 6 if I take an educated guess. I can't believe we share the same name!
=EXPEND=Dendro Posted March 15, 2015 Posted March 15, 2015 What we need to do is take a stand and band together when we see abuse like this and make it known that it will not be tolerated or accepted. Take a deep breath and ask the offender to refrain from abuse and negative behaviour. A few of us should stand up and just say no, its not on. We are not warthunder players and we will never let our servers get like theirs. Maybe if it is bad, we can decide on an alternative server thats empty and all jump on there and get a decent and positive environment going. In practice, I doubt it will happen but its just an idea for now. 2
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