Pre-order and early access email.. raises a lot of questions.

[AndyJWest]

I am a Founder and I have no received any such emails - when did they go out ?

 

I only got mine 12h or so ago. Have you checked your spam folder?

[Recon]

I check spam, no messages,  I have my receipt sent to my email, so I do not know why I haven't received any

 

Thanks

[SCG_Neun]

Today around noon for me.....Recon

[Ralith]

15mm gunpods. We also paid more, so it's a nice gift from the developers.

An in-game advantage isn't the kind of gift I want. These kinds of things just hurt the community by making retail customers feel like they're second-class citizens despite paying full price for the game. I want the people I play with to be enjoying themselves, and making them disadvantaged is counterproductive towards that.

 

I paid more because I want to support the development of this game, and to get early access. The cosmetics and early unlocks are a fun bonus, but an in-game advantage is too far for to go just to make preorders feel special. If I wasn't satisfied with the bonuses they listed at purchase time, I wouldn't have made the purchase.

Edited October 2, 2013 by Ralith

[Creepermoss]

An in-game advantage isn't the kind of gift I want. These kinds of things just hurt the community by making retail customers feel like they're second-class citizens despite paying full price for the game. I want the people I play with to be enjoying themselves, and making them worse off is counterproductive towards that.

 

I paid more because I want to support the development of this game, and to get early access. The cosmetics and early unlocks are a fun bonus, but an in-game advantage is too far for to go just to make preorders feel special.

I can't imagine that adding the extra weight and drag of the gunpods and their ammunition is a pure advantage. As long as the plane suffers performance-wise for carrying them (which is certain, I would be shocked if it did not) I don't think there will be much of an issue. 

 

I put my cash in to help the development, sell it for $20 retail and see how much I care

[AndyJWest]

I'm sure that if the gunpods prove to be a real issue, the dev's will reconsider. For now though, it doesn't seem worth getting worked up about, to me...

[LLv44_Mprhead]

I would think using those gunpods will put you in disadvantage...

[Feathered_IV]

I check spam, no messages,  I have my receipt sent to my email, so I do not know why I haven't received any

 

Thanks

Check your personal account settings in this forum. It should be there and not in your email.

[FlatSpinMan]

I just assumed the retail edition would be cheaper, like around fifty bucks, and thinking that, still plunked down $90 for the premium preorder as I'm buying early access and supporting the Devs.

[BeastyBaiter]

I assume the retail edition will be the standard $50 and $8-15 per extra plane like in RoF. Yes, that means I bought the premium pre-order knowing full well that if I simply waited to release I could probably get it a little cheaper. Also, I don't view the gunpods as a major issue. Those really aren't something you're going to want on your 109F4. I'll test them out of course, but I seriously doubt I'll be using them with any sort of regularity. This won't be WT where you have to hammer anything with more than one engine with 500 cannon shells to bring down. A handful of well placed 7.92mm should do the job just fine. No sense bogging yourself down with unnecessary weight.

Edited October 2, 2013 by =LD=King_Hrothgar

[FuriousMeow]

An in-game advantage isn't the kind of gift I want. These kinds of things just hurt the community by making retail customers feel like they're second-class citizens despite paying full price for the game. I want the people I play with to be enjoying themselves, and making them disadvantaged is counterproductive towards that.

 

I paid more because I want to support the development of this game, and to get early access. The cosmetics and early unlocks are a fun bonus, but an in-game advantage is too far for to go just to make preorders feel special. If I wasn't satisfied with the bonuses they listed at purchase time, I wouldn't have made the purchase.

 

They will more than likely pay less for the game since they are missing out in the early access, the custom skins, and having more say in some of the development plus the gunpods are by no means an advantage. More hitting power if you manage to find a target without being intercepted, and then when you do - Il2s will be able to dogfight you. Several titles do this, you pay for early access/support the title and you get a particular weapon that no one else can have. In fact, it's actually an advantage in those titles because there are zero penatlies for that weapon/armor/power/whatever. Here, those gunpods are a detriment to performance. You will get worse performance. So "advantage," not so much.

[LukeFF]

Everything is greeted with suspicion and stinky eyes like the developers are these unruly people just waiting to screw us over.  

 

That always seems to be the case with flight sims, no matter the title. I've never understood it and probably never will.

[MadTommy]

Ok thanks lads.  

 

I think it is fair to conclude the retail price is being announced after the pre-order is finished as it will be cheaper and they don't want to hurt pre-order sales.  Personally i like companies to to be up front and open.  It appears 777 are taking another route, fair enough, its a commercial venture, its their duty to maximise revenue from their product.

 

As much as i'd like to have BoS in my collection as soon as possible. I'll wait for release where i'll know what i'm getting and will have heard the feedback from the early adopters.  Lets hope this is more DCS sim fidelity level than Wings of Prey level. I'm confident either way 777 will produce a fun sim.  

 

See you next year. (and thanks again Furbs)

Edited October 2, 2013 by MadTommy

[JG1_Pragr]

I check spam, no messages,  I have my receipt sent to my email, so I do not know why I haven't received any

 

Thanks

I have the same experience.

 

There is no notification on account setting on this forum either. But I found I have had the "Send me news and information" option unchecked in account setting on Il2: BoS site. Maybe this was the reason why I got no email. 

[adonys]

It's really simple:

- the retail price would be 50$ for the base game, and 20-25$ for an additional plane. we've got the 90$ premium, ie 50$ + 20$ + 20$ for base + FW190 + La5 + some free extra (beta access, the guns, the badge)

- they've added the gunpods, a thing they should have done right from the start, in order to offer LW/blue players a bonus too (and make more of them pre-order), as the IL2 gun was VVS/red only

- the email was about "pre-order NOW, or you'll lose more "free" things" - ie just marketing

- I am somewhat disappointed by the email, I was expecting the early access date announcement, not some more marketing stuff - as I've already pre-ordered the premium

- I'm also somewhat concerned by the fact that they seem eager to delay the early access just to force more pre-orders, both because I want to try it already, and because it really looks like a sort of "early 3rd party preview" embargo..

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

Delay? it was October when they first talked about a timeframe, it always has been and it still is, i don't see any delay for orders.

[Zoring]

From my experience the 777 team is entirely transparant and fair handed in dealing with their customer base. I doubt they're intentions are in anyway attempting to decieve their customer base.

[Finkeren]

From my experience the 777 team is entirely transparant and fair handed in dealing with their customer base. I doubt they're intentions are in anyway attempting to decieve their customer base.

Quite correct, but as you propably also remember, there are always community members, who will see shady deals and bad intentions behind just about anything the company does.

[III/JG11_Tiger]

If money is an issue then I would say wait, it will always be cheaper at some stage not long after release, much like DCS products and pretty much any game these days.

 

If you really want to get your hands on it early and can afford the risk then get the pre order now.

 

Edited October 2, 2013 by III/JG11_Tiger

[SYN_DerHesse70]

Oh dear, so you've dropped $95 on a game that is in very early development with a chap at the head who has not been a stellar success in the past (in my mind certainly), and you don't really know what will be available in DCS:WWII as the kickstarter funding etc seems to change with every update.  I've dropped $40 on it and for that I'll get everything I want, though it seems that for new backers the goalposts have been moved and people have to pay more than I did to get the same as I will get.  We don't even know when it will actually be released.  Fortunately DCS as a whole has a great rep and that was the saving grace for me.

 

With BoS we don't know the final game price but if it's less than $50 I'll be very surprised.  Add on $10 or $15 for the extra two planes and you're at premium level.  By contrast BoS are giving original founders extra stuff rather than charging new members a greater sum for the same items.

 

I respectfully suggest that if you'll drop $95 on DCS but will treat BoS with suspicion, then your credibility is dented somewhat.

 

Hood

 

:lol:

[O_catarM]

To OP. I don't know how you can't make a inform decision.You know how much the standard edition and premium cost.You know what you are getting in both editions (planes sets and unlocks etc) You just have to decide if you are willing to pay for it.It may be more or less at release but that is a chance that you have to take.Don't people take ANY risks these days?

[DD_Crash]

If money is an issue then I would say wait, it will always be cheaper at some stage not long after release, much like DCS products and pretty much any game these days.

 

If you really want to get your hands on it early and can afford the risk then get the pre order now.

This is very true as I bought the P-51 for $9.99 and RoF Iron Cross edition for I think it was $10. So if cash is that tight its worth waiting for a sale.

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

well look how much BF4 beta access and future map purchases are costing. $79.99 now thats a rip off; a game that sells maybe 2 million copies first 2 days, and a clunky internet.

and now 2 internet band width controls in the game, very suspicious to me. Smoother internet latency 0 to 100%. resolution adaptation 0 to 200% now talk about making the game gaming and not internet friendly. thats internet tools enemy why give that kind of control to a Multiplayer and he can control his winning or losing.

[7./SchG2_Willi]

MadTommy, on 01 Oct 2013 - 23:17, said:

 I've just backed the DCS kickstarter for $95 ..

 

Oh dear, so you've dropped $95 on a game that is in very early development with a chap at the head who has not been a stellar success in the past (in my mind certainly), and you don't really know what will be available in DCS:WWII as the kickstarter funding etc seems to change with every update.  I've dropped $40 on it and for that I'll get everything I want, though it seems that for new backers the goalposts have been moved and people have to pay more than I did to get the same as I will get.  We don't even know when it will actually be released.  Fortunately DCS as a whole has a great rep and that was the saving grace for me.

 

With BoS we don't know the final game price but if it's less than $50 I'll be very surprised.  Add on $10 or $15 for the extra two planes and you're at premium level.  By contrast BoS are giving original founders extra stuff rather than charging new members a greater sum for the same items.

 

I respectfully suggest that if you'll drop $95 on DCS but will treat BoS with suspicion, then your credibility is dented somewhat.

 

Hood

+1

If it's too expensive is buying 2 years later

Edited October 2, 2013 by OptioX

[Bearcat]

I received the new email regarding "Pre-order and early access".  Personally I'm torn about pre-ordering and this email has only cast significantly more doubt on the issue.

The section in bold makes me very wary & suspicious of their plans/intentions.

Why withhold this information until after the pre-order period is over?

Why tell us they are going to withhold this information until after the pre-order?  This is even more puzzling.

Are they being generous or sneaky?  I can't say i feel in a position to make an informed decision.. and that normally, in life, is not a good thing.

Love to hear your opinions.  Especially from those who have NOT pre-ordered.  Or love to hear from the team on this to help get those on the fence like me to jump in.. Thanks.

 

What is there to be suspicious about? It seems pretty clear to me.

 

I just wish they would be a little more open and up front.  This just puts me off pre-ordering.

If you read the email you will see i certainly have not taken a small section out of context, I've actually quoted all the relevant sentences.

 

More open and up front..... riiiiight

 

Couple of points in reply.

I think it is absurd to think they don't know the unit price at this point. They most likely determined the unit price the 1st day they dreamed up this project. That is basic business sense.

 

I'm not paranoid, I simply trying to understand what is on offer, to me it is clear the devs would prefer to keep things secret, this makes me uneasy. I suspect the retail version will be the same price or cheaper. I really don't care for name tags or beta testing, so the only thing that is relevant to me is the price. Why should i not ask the question, i'm self employed with a wife and two kids.. money it very tight. There is no doubt flight sims are great value, but that does not mean i should just throw money at something without the relevant info that allows me to understand if i'm making a saving or paying a premium.

 

EDITED

 

Yet you dropped $95 for a product you won't even sniff till at least Christmas of 2014. Ok...

 

Where did i ever say 'sinister'? I said i was wary & suspicious. I'm wary that the retail price will be less than the pre-order. I'm suspicious they are withholding this info so people like me cannot make an informed decision.

 

So don't twist my words and make 8 from 2 plus 2.

 

I have owned and enjoyed RoF since its release in 2009, i am fan of 777.. but i'm not some idiot who simply throws money away. EDITED

You are probably right Furbs.. unfortunately money is very tight right now, I've just backed the DCS kickstarter for $95 and can't afford this as well... however i would love to and could possibly justify it is it was a saving.. if its a premium I'll be pissed... as i could simply buy it as a finished product for less.

 

 

Oh dear, so you've dropped $95 on a game that is in very early development with a chap at the head who has not been a stellar success in the past (in my mind certainly), and you don't really know what will be available in DCS:WWII as the kickstarter funding etc seems to change with every update.  I've dropped $40 on it and for that I'll get everything I want, though it seems that for new backers the goalposts have been moved and people have to pay more than I did to get the same as I will get.  We don't even know when it will actually be released.  Fortunately DCS as a whole has a great rep and that was the saving grace for me.

 

With BoS we don't know the final game price but if it's less than $50 I'll be very surprised.  Add on $10 or $15 for the extra two planes and you're at premium level.  By contrast BoS are giving original founders extra stuff rather than charging new members a greater sum for the same items.

 

I respectfully suggest that if you'll drop $95 on DCS but will treat BoS with suspicion, then your credibility is dented somewhat.

 

Hood

 

I was thinking the same thing.. $95 on a product that is more than a year out with the whole launch of the product done the way it was.. what with the convoluted pricing  If you buy G you will get everything from F plus C -Y ...  and don't get me wrong.. I dropped for DCS as well... gladly but I fail to see how you can drop that kind of bread for DCS and be still on the fence about this and "suspicious" of a team that has been about as transparent and up front over the last 10 months as any developer I have seen. Consider that everything we see here.. all the updates.. this whole place we have been looking at .. has all been done in the last 10 months.. so I fail to grasp how much more up front transparency they could give us short of putting web cams in their offices.

 

That always seems to be the case with flight sims, no matter the title. I've never understood it and probably never will.

 

 

Ok thanks lads.  

 

I think it is fair to conclude the retail price is being announced after the pre-order is finished as it will be cheaper and they don't want to hurt pre-order sales.  Personally i like companies to to be up front and open.  It appears 777 are taking another route, fair enough, its a commercial venture, its their duty to maximise revenue from their product.

 

As much as i'd like to have BoS in my collection as soon as possible. I'll wait for release where i'll know what i'm getting and will have heard the feedback from the early adopters.  Lets hope this is more DCS sim fidelity level than Wings of Prey level. I'm confident either way 777 will produce a fun sim.  

 

See you next year. (and thanks again Furbs)

 

I don't see that at all.. and most likely it may be slightly higher.. or of it is lower it will contain less. I do not think that they would gut the golden goose by making the sole benefit of pre ordering early access. The highlighted part of your statement above is not true because if that were indeed the case given the facts stated by YOU in the above threads at the very least you would have purchased the standard pre order yet you were willing to drop twice that for a product you won't even see for over a year so if you don't want to pre order then fine, it is your money to do what you want with but don't start a thread here insulting the devs through the back door by questioning their integrity with no sound basis for those assumptions.