Pre-order and early access email.. raises a lot of questions.

[MadTommy]

I received the new email regarding "Pre-order and early access".  Personally I'm torn about pre-ordering and this email has only cast significantly more doubt on the issue.

 

The pre-order program as described on the official site will continue on in October until the autumn early access period begins. The exact date will be announced soon. With the beginning of the early access phase the early access pre-order program will shut down. After that we’ll publish the retail price for Standard and Premium editions of IL2:BOS as well as further details about the product.

 

 

The section in bold makes me very wary & suspicious of their plans/intentions.

 

Why withhold this information until after the pre-order period is over?

Why tell us they are going to withhold this information until after the pre-order?  This is even more puzzling. 

 

Are they being generous or sneaky?  I can't say i feel in a position to make an informed decision.. and that normally, in life, is not a good thing.

 

Love to hear your opinions.  Especially from those who have NOT pre-ordered.  Or love to hear from the team on this to help get those on the fence like me to jump in.. Thanks.

Edited October 1, 2013 by MadTommy

[Finkeren]

Or maybe they simply want to know, exactly how much the early access preorder brought in before deciding on a retail price?

[SCG_Neun]

I was thinking the same thing, Finkeren.  Besides you have to take the entire message as a whole and consider it in it's totality.  You've pulled just a small fraction of the message and it can be taken out of context......I don't think they are being sneaky or generous, just keeping us in the loop, which I greatly appreciate.

Edited October 1, 2013 by JagdNeun

[BlitzPig_EL]

I'm still going to wait and see what the release version is like before committing.

 

I've participated in beta testing over the years, and now I just want to play a finished product and be done with it.

 

I hope it all works out well and this is a great title, but the proof is in the pudding, not in the beta.

[ST_ami7b5]

I'm still going to wait and see what the release version is like before committing.

 

I've participated in beta testing over the years, and now I just want to play a finished product and be done with it.

 

I hope it all works out well and this is a great title, but the proof is in the pudding, not in the beta.

 

In that case your experience would certainly help 

[Jaws2002]

They may have more stuf ready to sell at release, extra planes, wepons and upgrades, like in ROF.

This means at that point they may have official prices for all that stuf, not only regular and premium packages.

[JaMz]

That black n white to me is holding back on anoucing the retail price so 'preorders' are not affected

[MadTommy]

I just wish they would be a little more open and up front.  This just puts me off pre-ordering.

 

I was thinking the same thing, Finkeren.  Besides you have to take the entire message as a whole and consider it in it's totality.  You've pulled just a small fraction of the message and it can be taken out of context......I don't think they are being sneaky or generous, just keeping us in the loop, which I greatly appreciate.

 

If you read the email you will see i certainly have not taken a small section out of context, I've actually quoted all the relevant sentences.

[FuriousMeow]

They are extremely open and up front. So they don't know the price of the retail product yet, how you are getting anything else out of that is beyond me.

[LLv44_Mprhead]

If you don't feel comfortable pre-ordering, just don't do it  You will maybe miss the opportunity to get your hands on it earlier, but then again if you wait until release, then you don't have to wonder what you are buying and what the details might be. Btw, that additional information can also be system requirements etc.

[LordNeuro*Srb*]

If I understood it corectly u dont like way they didnt state it theat the retail price will be higher the preorder price. I asked the same qvestion but the logic is theat preorder is all weys cheper the retail price. U cann see it on exemple of arma 3 where in early alpha the game price was 29 e, in beta it was 39 e and now after the relise i think is 49 e. same thing is in rof. The planes u cann bay in preorder r cheper then when they relise them. So i dont think it is somthing out of ordinary.

[Trident_109]

How I always looked at the pre-order pricing was that we paid a premium price for early access and to help fund the project. I don't think the retail version will be $90.00, but instead a more realistic $49 - $60. I think $49.00 myself but even if it is $60.00, how much do people spend on premium AA titles on PS 3 and X Box?

 

With all the information, blogs, facebook, bi-weekly video streams, I think they've been very upfront and as honest as they can be at this point in development.

Edited October 1, 2013 by Robert

[SCG_Neun]

I just wish they would be a little more open and up front.  This just puts me off pre-ordering.

 

 

If you read the email you will see i certainly have not taken a small section out of context, I've actually quoted all the relevant sentences.

Sorry MadTommy.....I got a fairly large email with all kinds of information, besides what you quoted. 

[Sethos]

Jesus, how paranoid are people around these parts? Everything is greeted with suspicion and stinky eyes like the developers are these unruly people just waiting to screw us over.  

[Ralith]

I'm more troubled by gunpods being preorder-only. Speaking as someone who's going to get them, isn't this a pretty major thing to just be arbitrarily unavailable to everyone else?

[FuriousMeow]

No. It's one of those things that will be tried once and never used again, unless offline. They turn an effective fighter into a wallowing target. The 15mm gunpods will be unlockable by all, so they can experience the penalty of gunpods just the same.

Edited October 1, 2013 by FuriousMeow

[6./ZG26_Emil]

We should have been given tin foil hats with the preorder

[FuriousMeow]

I make my own, but I think the aluminium faction is behind all of this to enforce more purchase of aluminium foil from the trifecta of public retail: Giant, Safeway and CVS which are only applicable in certain parts of the US - oh no, the conspiracy continues deeper!

[6./ZG26_Emil]

I make my own, but I think the aluminium faction is behind all of this to enforce more purchase of aluminium foil from the trifecta of public retail: Giant, Safeway and CVS which are only applicable in certain parts of the US - oh no, the conspiracy continues deeper!

 

and it's well known in the 'community' that we have been sold substandard tin foil that allowed radiation to pass through to our brains for years

[BFsSmurfy]

I`m not bothered what the retail price is as long as it sells 1000`s of copies, I pre-ordered to play early and if I`ve paid extra for that or not it`ll be worth every cent. Divide the hours played by the cost and you`ll see any decent quality flight sim is far better value than a trip out on the town.

[IIN8II]

I think its just to get as many pre orders as possible

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

Same here, i don't give a toss if the retail is free, i paid $90 to play early and help the devs.

 

Tommy, just what are you worried about?

[MadTommy]

Couple of points in reply.

 

I think it is absurd to think they don't know the unit price at this point. They most likely determined the unit price the 1st day they dreamed up this project. That is basic business sense.

 

I'm not paranoid, I simply trying to understand what is on offer, to me it is clear the devs would prefer to keep things secret, this makes me uneasy. I suspect the retail version will be the same price or cheaper. I really don't care for name tags or beta testing, so the only thing that is relevant to me is the price. Why should i not ask the question, i'm self employed with a wife and two kids.. money it very tight. There is no doubt flight sims are great value, but that does not mean i should just throw money at something without the relevant info that allows me to understand if i'm making a saving or paying a premium.

 

EDITED

[6./ZG26_Emil]

[FuriousMeow]

The section in bold makes me very wary & suspicious of their plans/intentions.

 

Why withhold this information until after the pre-order period is over?

Why tell us they are going to withhold this information until after the pre-order?  This is even more puzzling. 

 

Are they being generous or sneaky?

 

This, this is why you are getting "thinly" veiled insults.

 

They aren't surprising you with something, they aren't taking your money and then altering what you get after the fact. They just haven't announced it yet, and still you assume something sinister.

Edited October 1, 2013 by FuriousMeow

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

Tommy, i cant imagine the price difference between now and retail is going to worth worrying about, and certainly nothing 'sinister'.

Edited October 1, 2013 by =BKHZ=Furbs

[Ralith]

No. It's one of those things that will be tried once and never used again, unless offline. They turn an effective fighter into a wallowing target. The 15mm gunpods will be unlockable by all, so they can experience the penalty of gunpods just the same.

 

What if you want to use the 109 to fly anti-bomber or ground-attack missions with friendly air cover, where your role isn't to be a fighter at all? Why should we be better equipped for those missions than everyone else?

Edited October 1, 2013 by Ralith

[6./ZG26_Emil]

What if you want to use the 109 to fly anti-bomber or ground-attack missions with friendly air cover, where your role isn't to be a fighter at all? Why should we be better equipped for those missions than everyone else?

 

No co-op mode again so we wont have to worry about that

[FuriousMeow]

What if you want to use the 109 to fly anti-bomber or ground-attack missions with friendly air cover, where your role isn't to be a fighter at all? Why should we be better equipped for those missions than everyone else?

 

15mm gunpods. We also paid more, so it's a nice gift from the developers.

 

And servers can be configured to run missions, so "co-op" mode doesn't matter - mission makers can fully create an il-2 era "co-op" environment.

[MadTommy]

This, this is why you are getting "thinly" veiled insults.

 

They aren't surprising you with something, they aren't taking your money and then altering what you get after the fact. They just haven't announced it yet, and still you assume something sinister.

Where did i ever say 'sinister'? I said i was wary & suspicious. I'm wary that the retail price will be less than the pre-order. I'm suspicious they are withholding this info so people like me cannot make an informed decision.

 

So don't twist my words and make 8 from 2 plus 2.

 

I have owned and enjoyed RoF since its release in 2009, i am fan of 777.. but i'm not some idiot who simply throws money away. EDITED

Tommy, i cant imagine the price difference between now and retail is going to worth worrying about, and certainly nothing 'sinister'.

You are probably right Furbs.. unfortunately money is very tight right now, I've just backed the DCS kickstarter for $95 and can't afford this as well... however i would love to and could possibly justify it is it was a saving.. if its a premium I'll be pissed... as i could simply buy it as a finished product for less.

[FlatSpinMan]

Tommy - don't be so insulting to other users.

 

I imagine they want to encourage more preorders.

If you feel the preorder prices are acceptable, go ahead and buy it. If you'd rather wait to see what the final product is like, as El Aurens is doing, that's fine, too. If the retail prices are not within your gaming budget, hold off for a while.

 

You hold all the cards here.

[ATAG_Slipstream]

I can only guess, like everyone else, that the retail price will be cheaper. Certainly closer to 49 than 89. Its early access and rewards that are on offer now.

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

Tommy, get it now and if the retail is cheaper il send you the difference in the post.(not joking)

[Jaws2002]

I can only guess, like everyone else, that the retail price will be cheaper. Certainly closer to 49 than 89. Its early access and rewards that are on offer now.

If that turns out to be true, the "founders" got the shaft on this one. All games I preordered were cheaper before release than at relese, or imediately after.

I'd be pissed to support the developement by paying months in advance, only to get half the stuff for my money than those that waited for the finished product.

That would only hurt them later. I'd think twice before buying more stuff from them. No more mr nice guy buying all planes and bunch of upgrades.

Edited October 1, 2013 by Jaws2002

[von_Tom]

 I've just backed the DCS kickstarter for $95 ...

 

 

Oh dear, so you've dropped $95 on a game that is in very early development with a chap at the head who has not been a stellar success in the past (in my mind certainly), and you don't really know what will be available in DCS:WWII as the kickstarter funding etc seems to change with every update.  I've dropped $40 on it and for that I'll get everything I want, though it seems that for new backers the goalposts have been moved and people have to pay more than I did to get the same as I will get.  We don't even know when it will actually be released.  Fortunately DCS as a whole has a great rep and that was the saving grace for me.

 

With BoS we don't know the final game price but if it's less than $50 I'll be very surprised.  Add on $10 or $15 for the extra two planes and you're at premium level.  By contrast BoS are giving original founders extra stuff rather than charging new members a greater sum for the same items.

 

I respectfully suggest that if you'll drop $95 on DCS but will treat BoS with suspicion, then your credibility is dented somewhat.

 

Hood

[Revvin]

If that turns out to be true, the "founders" got the shaft on this one. All games I preordered were cheaper before release than at relese, or imediately after.

I'd be pissed to support the developement by paying months in advance, only to get half the stuff for my money than those that waited for the finished product.

That would only hurt them later. I'd think twice before buying more stuff from them. No more mr nice guy buying all planes and bunch of upgrades.

I agree, all pre-orders I've placed offer the game at a discount over the final retail price. I think it would make people very wary of pre-ordering in future. ED had a problem when they released the Mi-8 add-on for $49.99 then a few weeks later included it in a sale of all their modules for $19.99. When some users complained they announced they would send out a discount voucher for all those who bought it at full price.

[MadTommy]

Tommy - don't be so insulting to other users.

 

I imagine they want to encourage more preorders.

If you feel the preorder prices are acceptable, go ahead and buy it. If you'd rather wait to see what the final product is like, as El Aurens is doing, that's fine, too. If the retail prices are not within your gaming budget, hold off for a while.

 

You hold all the cards here.

I apologise FlatSpinMan. However asking someone to be open minded hardly needed to be deleted. Rather interesting moderation.

 

Can't say I feel like I hold the cards, i would if they announced the info prior to the pre-order finishing.

 

Tommy, get it now and if the retail is cheaper il send you the difference in the post.(not joking)

That's kind of you Furbs, but I'll decline that kind offer. Don't feel comfortable doing that.

[MadTommy]

Oh dear, so you've dropped $95 on a game that is in very early development with a chap at the head who has not been a stellar success in the past (in my mind certainly), and you don't really know what will be available in DCS:WWII as the kickstarter funding etc seems to change with every update.  I've dropped $40 on it and for that I'll get everything I want, though it seems that for new backers the goalposts have been moved and people have to pay more than I did to get the same as I will get.  We don't even know when it will actually be released.  Fortunately DCS as a whole has a great rep and that was the saving grace for me.

 

With BoS we don't know the final game price but if it's less than $50 I'll be very surprised.  Add on $10 or $15 for the extra two planes and you're at premium level.  By contrast BoS are giving original founders extra stuff rather than charging new members a greater sum for the same items.

 

I respectfully suggest that if you'll drop $95 on DCS but will treat BoS with suspicion, then your credibility is dented somewhat.

 

Hood

It is a gamble, I agree, but I'm a big fan of DCS level fidelity sims, and they asked for support to fund it. I think we can all agree flight sims need support. I see that very different to 777 preorder. BoS is funded.. It does not need my backing.

[LLv44_Mprhead]

I would expect the pre-order price and retail price to be about the same. I don't think that they can ask much more than 90$ for premium edition if they want to sell them, and lowering the price very much would feel like screwing those who had pre-ordered. And if the price is about the same, that's totally cool for me. I didn't pre-order to get an discount, but to show my support and get an early access.

 

And Tommy, as I said before, if you don't feel comfortable, don't pre-order. Or if you are that tight on money. I would be really suprised if you would lost more than maybe 5$ and that early access if you wait until final release.

[Recon]

I am a Founder and I have no received any such emails - when did they go out ?