When to buy a new PC? Now or at Bos release?

[JG4_Sputnik]

I play my games curently on an iMac (mid 2011, 27"), but since it has only a very limitied graphics card (512mb ram only!, i can play RoF and CloD though, but not great, obviously...) So I want to buy a new and dedicated machine.

 

I figure that since BoS is on almost the same engine as RoF, it doesn't matter too much if I buy it now or in 6 months.

Or do you think it is worth to wait untill the release, so the pc is just up to date at the release?

I'm curious about your oppinions since I'm not that much of a technics nerd anymore that I was in the late 90ies

Thaks,

Sputnik

 

[LG1.Farber]

Maybe wait for christmas sale? 

[Uufflakke]

Your gold bar indicates you are a founder so you have early acces somewhere in October. First I would see how performance/quality turns on your current system.

In case it doesn't satisfy you, upgrading or buying an new machine can be done later on.

And as you know, the longer you wait the cheaper computers get. Usually there are sales everywhere during the first month of the year.

 

In my case, I wait till first quarter before purchasing a new system and then buying BoS.

I'm still on XP and considering the specs of my system it won't handle BoS at a decent level I'm afraid.

Microsoft seem to stop with XP security updates in first half of 2014 so it is a good excuse to buy an up to date system.

From that moment I can play BoS at highest quality and good fps.

[FlatSpinMan]

Ah, you've got an iMac, too. I like the size and the way they look and that's.about.it.

I'm wondering how it'll run as well. May as well wait til the early access is out before upgrading though.

[JG4_Sputnik]

Thanks. Well I kind of know that it will run very poorly, RoF does and so does CloD (even more). And yes, Pc's get cheaper and cheaper but if I follow that logic I will never end up buying one

I play only on my iMac because as a graphic designer I need it for work and its the fastes system in my household

 

I now have DCS P51 and ist unplayable on my system, literally. So I have the choice between not playing the P51, BoS and CloD very poorly for 6 months OR upgrading and maybe don't have the most up to date system when the games finally come out.

 

Oh, and maybe the new EDGE engine form DCS could here be an issue too... ARRRGH!

Still very much on the fence. Anyone?

[79_vRAF_Friendly_flyer]

I know the feeling Sputnik ;-)

 

I held off buying a new PC for CloD. When it came out, I decided to hold off to see what combination of processor and card would run it best. The result is I still haven't upgraded. While my old PC runs IL2 1946 vanilla and modded versions just fine, it won't run RoF. I think I'm going to wait for the post Christmas sales, and then pick the hottest PC I can for a reasonable price. I've already paid for the premium version, so my waiting won't hurt the developers. I really look forward to try not only BoS but RoF too!

[Jaws2002]

When CLOD was released i made the decision to wait for release, try it on my system, see what performance others get with different combinations of hardware and only then see if i can upgrade, or build a new system.

The game ran, but I couldn't max out the settings without bad performance hit.

 

The difference is that back then i had more powerful machine than you have now:

Q6600@2.8Ghz, EVGA GTX285/1GB vRam, 4GB of DDr2@1066Mhz. And I still went for building a com pletely new system.

I7 2600k, gtx590(dual gpu card) 3GB video ram; two ssd's. That thing ran all games great, without exception. Clod, rof, dcs and all.

 

With what you have now, you have to build a new pc. There's no upgrade option for you.

 

You can start looking now for parts, read hardware forums, see what works well now and what new hardware is just around the corner.

You can then decide if you build the mchine now, or wait for the release, see what hardware work well for other people and then build a new machine.

 

You want a computer for gaming. Don't get a proprietary machine made by one of the big names in generic pcs. Dell, hp,and so on. Either get a box made by a company that generally makes gaming computers, (they are more flexible and you can configure the prts as you want), order exactly what you want from a local builder, or order the parts and put it together yourself.

 

Typhos brought to you by this bloody android.

Edited September 30, 2013 by Jaws2002

[79_vRAF_Friendly_flyer]

My computer too is well beyond upgrading. I plan on doing exactly as you suggest, Jaws. Luckily, I have a very competent friend who'll advice me, order the part and come help put it together with me over a few beers.

[Dakpilot]

Would avoid the beers until you fire it up  just some freindly advice from experience 

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[J4SCrisZeri]

Dont worry ANY badass Pc assembled today is going to handle BoS at max settings

And for badass I mean a 800/900 usd machine.

Its not a monster budget, but enough for a solid, reliable rig.

Do not think about CloD, that was a bad optimization nightmare, eye candy ok, but a huge stone for any system. Focus on the RoF engine, that's the evolution we're talking about.

Edited September 30, 2013 by J4Scriszeri

[JG4_Sputnik]

Yeah I think youre right. But does any one of you guys think that in the next like 5 months a new chipset is going be released which is worth waiting for? Upgrade ram and fx card is easy if necessary but is the i7 still up do date?

 

I have the feeling that lately the pace of new chipsets and inventions in the pc industry has significantely been slowing down

Like when I spend now say about 1k on a decent rig - do I get much more power for my 1k in 5 months?

[Dakpilot]

Nope, but you may get it much cheaper in 5 months with better GRX card and larger faster ssd 

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[FuriousMeow]

No, not for the Intel or nVidia. Haswell just came out, and the Titan/780 (stripped down, slightly more affordable Titan) also just released. The 770 and below are tech refresh of the previous generation chip but are faster.

 

Intel has remained on pace, a new chip approximately every 12 to 18 months - same with nVidia.

 

Prices will go down, by how much is unknown. For example, the exact same model of 770GTX I purchased back in June is now 5% cheaper. Not much of a change ($20). The Haswell I have was bought at wholesale cost so it can't get any cheaper than that, but they won't go down in price until the next generation comes along sometime 2nd half next year.

Edited September 30, 2013 by FuriousMeow

[FuriousMeow]

 but is the i7 still up do date?

 

Depends, which i7 do you have? The past four generations of Intel chips have been i3, i5 and i7.

[dburne]

I am currently ordering and receiving parts for a new build I will be doing here over the holidays in Nov or Dec. Just decided little over a week ago to go ahead and do this.

 

Not really because of BOS, well maybe a little - but my system currently runs ROF very well. I normally do this every 3 years or so anyway, and I am somewhat overdue - with the TF Mod for Cliffs and now I am running it, BOS coming out, and maybe something new from ED/DCS, I thought now as good a time as any. It certainly can not hurt.

 

I went with the X79 Platform, and one of the newer Ivy Bridge E chips. I got the 4820K chip. Also will be doing SSD's for the first time, and going up couple of generations of video card - GTX 770 with 4gb vram. This build I will probably have more in, than any of my previous ones. Building my own is really a hobby of mine , as well as overclocking them, that I have been doing for quite a lot of years.

I guess as I am confident for the future of these combat sims, as they are the only thing I need the power for anyway.

Edited September 30, 2013 by dburnette

[FuriousMeow]

I got the 4820K chip.

 

Yeah, you shouldn't have ANY issues in several years with that monster. I think those Ivy Bridge-E chips still use the solder, so don't try to delid it.

[dburne]

Yeah, you shouldn't have ANY issues in several years with that monster. I think those Ivy Bridge-E chips still use the solder, so don't try to delid it.

 

Thanks, that is what I am hoping for anyway!

[Livai]

I went with the X79 Platform, and one of the newer Ivy Bridge E chips. I got the 4820K chip. Also will be doing SSD's for the first time, and going up couple of generations of video card - GTX 770 with 4gb vram. This build I will probably have more in, than any of my previous ones. Building my own is really a hobby of mine , as well as overclocking them, that I have been doing for quite a lot of years.

I guess as I am confident for the future of these combat sims, as they are the only thing I need the power for anyway.

Spend money for the old X79 with Sandy bridge-E or Ivy bridge-E is not worth the money. If you want this kind platform wait for Haswell-E comes out like the game 2014 with DDR4 Quad-Channel. But still not worth the money if you not have a Quad-SLI & Ouad-Crossfire or doing Video editing on this system or Programs that use a six-core Cpu, for example. Its the same like spending money for SLI-Systems or Crossfire-System not worth the money.

 

The Geforce Titan could be a very good card if the card would support DirectX 11.1.

 

A great single card with many Shaders and with a huge RAM min. 3GB max. 6GB with the newest DirectX support. Then a cheap cpu (for example core i5) that I can overlock to 4Ghz. Cheap RAM 4GB for a 32bit Windows, 8GB for a 64bit Windows. A good PSU with 660 Watt (80 PLUS Platinum), a SSD to boost the boot-time of windows and for faster loading games.

 

EDIT: A cheap Mainboard for Overclocking (for example Gigabyte).

 

Important to look what I get for my money. You can get with little money a great gaming system. Why spend more

Edited September 30, 2013 by Superghostboy

[Rjel]

Watch Newegg's website for ads. http://www.newegg.com

You could buy piece by piece as money permits. Any one with some common sense could build his own machine.

[Jaws2002]

Dont worry ANY badass Pc assembled today is going to handle BoS at max settings

And for badass I mean a 800/900 usd machine.

Its not a monster budget, but enough for a solid, reliable rig.

Do not think about CloD, that was a bad optimization nightmare, eye candy ok, but a huge stone for any system. Focus on the RoF engine, that's the evolution we're talking about.

 

 

That's actually a bad advice. Never build a new system for a single three years old game. Ever!

 

I did that many upgrades ago and it was the shortest life system i've built.

BOS is based on the ROF engine, but i'm sure will be more hardware hungry. Then, with time, you want to have some head room, for tht eye candy that comes later. Maybe you want a bigger screen at some point. That will tax your performance as well.

 

I'd say ger the best you can afford, so you have a long period until next upgrade.

[dburne]

That's actually a bad advice. Never build a new system for a single three years old game. Ever!

 

I did that many upgrades ago and it was the shortest life system i've built.

BOS is based on the ROF engine, but i'm sure will be more hardware hungry. Then, with time, you want to have some head room, for tht eye candy that comes later. Maybe you want a bigger screen at some point. That will tax your performance as well.

 

I'd say ger the best you can afford, so you have a long period until next upgrade.

 

Great advice, that is certainly what I am doing...

[Capt_Hook]

Great advice, that is certainly what I am doing...

It depends on your priorities.  I've built systems for years (early on in the mid-90's for a living, later for a hobby... custom PC work doesn't really pay well), and it's almost always been my experience that you're better off spending a moderate amount more often than a boatload all at once, unless you can easily afford it.  $600-$700 a year will easily keep you very close to the bleeding edge consistently, whereas spending $2500 at once will get you a GODLIKE system that's so far ahead of gaming software needs (at reasonable resolutions... 1440, 4K, and Surround are different stories) that it's overkill for today, but is well behind the curve 18 months or less later.  That same money spread out over 3 years would have resulted in a better gaming experience over the whole period.

 

A good modular power supply and a good case that you enjoy working in are top notch investments that will likely last 3 upgrade cycles or more.  I run a Coolermaster ACTI 840 case that's a dream to work in and a Seasonic X750 Gold as the base of the system, and they're both 2 upgrades old (over 2 years) and will easily last to the next.  Don't cheap out on the power supply especially or it WILL cost you in the long run... poor power supplies many times die violently, and they don't die alone when they do. 

 

$450 right now will get you an i5 4670K (extra $ for i7 is wasted on games), basic MB, and memory.  Add as much video card as you can afford ($200 -$300 depending on budget).  Add this to the best power supply and chassis you can get from above, and you've got a system that will play anything today at 1080/1200 resolutions, and it will be easily upgradable. 

Edited October 1, 2013 by NervousEnergy

[ShamrockOneFive]

It depends on your priorities.  I've built systems for years (early on in the mid-90's for a living, later for a hobby... custom PC work doesn't really pay well), and it's almost always been my experience that you're better off spending a moderate amount more often than a boatload all at once, unless you can easily afford it.  $600-$700 a year will easily keep you very close to the bleeding edge consistently, whereas spending $2500 at once will get you a GODLIKE system that's so far ahead of gaming software needs (at reasonable resolutions... 1440, 4K, and Surround are different stories) that it's overkill for today, but is well behind the curve 18 months or less later.  That same money spread out over 3 years would have resulted in a better gaming experience over the whole period.

 

A good modular power supply and a good case that you enjoy working in are top notch investments that will likely last 3 upgrade cycles or more.  I run a Coolermaster ACTI 840 case that's a dream to work in and a Seasonic X750 Gold as the base of the system, and they're both 2 upgrades old (over 2 years) and will easily last to the next.  Don't cheap out on the power supply especially or it WILL cost you in the long run... poor power supplies many times die violently, and they don't die alone when they do. 

 

$450 right now will get you an i5 4670K (extra $ for i7 is wasted on games), basic MB, and memory.  Add as much video card as you can afford ($200 -$300 depending on budget).  Add this to the best power supply and chassis you can get from above, and you've got a system that will play anything today at 1080/1200 resolutions, and it will be easily upgradable. 

Agreed... I always build a good quality system but it's always the middle high and never the highest or "extreme". You can spend $5000 on an ultimate system or you can spend about $1000-1200 (Canadian dollars so adjust a little lower if you're in the US) for something that is probably 80% of the performance but both will end up being out of date within half a year of each other perhaps.

 

I built a lower end Core i7 when the second generation came out and three years on and its still my primary gaming PC. I can play Battlefield 3 on high, Rise of Flight seems to be no problem... basically nothing is an issue yet performance wise. I tweak and I play with settings until I get a good performance/visual appear so I'm never running on Ultra but I feel like everything still looks crisp, clear and fantastic. I'd love an upgrade but I can't justify that for another few years.

 

The system before this one was a Core 2 and it was still going strong until a blown transformer in the neighbourhood took it out (and a bunch of other appliances).

[HippyDruid]

Prices in Australian Dollars, but it's a useful guide.

http://whirlpool.net.au/wiki/rmp_sg_whirlpoolpcs_gaming_configs_1

[FuriousMeow]

Spend money for the old X79 with Sandy bridge-E or Ivy bridge-E is not worth the money. If you want this kind platform wait for Haswell-E comes out like the game 2014 with DDR4 Quad-Channel

 

SB-E/IB-E is better than the Haswell-E will be aside from the more IPCs that Haswell can do. Haswell is currently overclock limited due to the onboard voltage regulator that generates a significant amount of heat and the inability to get much beyond 4.4GHz due to some other reason AND you still have to wait till late next year for the Haswell-E. Maybe the E will have the cream of the crop dies, but not much more than 20% of the CPUs from the Haswell line get above 4.6. Many require quite a bit of voltage to get up there which generates a lot of heat as well. Even delidding doesn't net that much better cooling. I got lucky and mine can go up to 4.6, but it wants voltage and heat follows even after delidding and applying LM between the die and IHS with a Noctua NH-D14.

 

It doesn't matter what CPU you buy anyway for concerns of having to upgrade the motherboard as well, the days of retaining a motherboard for the next gen are gone - each new CPU has required a new socket.

 

You get more IPCs and a few other features, but programmers still have to write to take advantage of them, but have to wait another year for it and probably get a better o/c from the IB-E than the Haswell-E.

 

Plus - giving advice for Win32 based systems, that should just stop now. No one should be allowed to run a 32bit OS on any new system without stiff penalties and never being allowed to hook that system up to the internet.

Edited October 1, 2013 by FuriousMeow

[Gort]

Apple released new Haswell iMacs last week with a 4GB video card option. I believe it is a mobile version.

[J4SCrisZeri]

That's actually a bad advice. Never build a new system for a single three years old game. Ever!

 

I did that many upgrades ago and it was the shortest life system i've built.

BOS is based on the ROF engine, but i'm sure will be more hardware hungry. Then, with time, you want to have some head room, for tht eye candy that comes later. Maybe you want a bigger screen at some point. That will tax your performance as well.

 

I'd say ger the best you can afford, so you have a long period until next upgrade.

Im sorry if it sounded like a bad advice and I agree with Jaws. due to my bad english (too) it was not exactely what I meant

 

1 - I assumed our friend was looking for a good budget pc, not a monster pc

2 - with about 800/900 euros (may be 1000 usd?) you can put together a nice rig. nice for today, no matter what game are you planning to play. I said nice, of course, not a top machine, but nice for any average user

3 - finally, NOT building a pc on an old game. but since he mentioned CLoD, an example of heavy weight/badly optimized software, ot the proper benchmark when you plan to run a very different engine such as RoF/Bos

For sure BoS is going to be heavier (I expect an enhanced version of the engine, more effects , and stuff) but it's THAT engine as a base so with the mentioned PC he should be ok.

He didn't tell us the budget right? Is he going to spend USD 2500 on this maxhine? great! There's plenty of fantastic configurations for that money too

Edited October 1, 2013 by J4Scriszeri

[JG4_Sputnik]

Oh I see its getting complicated

Well that is kind of what Im heading for:

 

 

Prozessor: Intel Core i7-4770, 3.4GHz, LGA1150, 4C/8T, 8MB Cache, max Turbo 3.9GHz, 84Watt TDP

RAM: 2x 8GB Corsair ValueSelect, DDR3-1600, PC3-12800, Max.32GB, (4 Steckplätze, 2x belegt)

Mainboard: ASUS H87M-E, LGA1150, uATX

Chipsatz: Inel H87

Solid State Drive (SSD): 1x 128GB Plextor M5S, SATA III, 2.5", (max. read:520 MB/s / max. write: 200 MB/s)

Harddisk: 1x 2TB WD Caviar Green, 5400-7200rpm, 64MB, SATA III

Grafik: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 650 mit 1GB GDDR5; Intel HD Graphics 4600

Laufwerke: Lite-On Blu-Ray-Combo

Kontroller: Intel H87: 6x SATA III (3x belegt), Raid 0/1/5/10

Sound: 8-Channel High Definition Audio

Netzwerk: 10/100/1000 LAN, 802.11b/g/n W-LAN

Slots: 1x PCIe 3.0 x16 (1x belegt), 3x PCIe 2.0 x1 (1x belegt, 1x verdeckt)

Kühlung: 2x 120mm Fan

Gehäuse: digitec ARC Mini - Black

Netzteil: digitec 550 Watt, 14 cm Fan, 80Plus Bronze

Kartenleser: Multi-CardReader (CF/SD/MMC/MS/MS-PRO/SM)

Front-Anschlüsse: 1x USB 3.0, 2x USB 2.0, 1x Line Out, 1x Microphone

Back-Anschlüsse: 4x USB 3.0, 2x USB 2.0, 2x PS/2 Keyboard, 1x LAN(RJ45), 3x Audio jacks

Video-Ausgänge: Grafikkarte: 1x VGA, 1x DVI-D, 1x HDMI; Mainboard: 1x VGA, 1x DVI-D, 1x HDMI

[JG4_Sputnik]

https://www.digitec.ch/ProdukteVergleichen1.aspx?artikel=279943,279936,279931,276784

 

And a comparison between four systems. Are they any good? I know the prices will be a bit steep but since I dont want to assembly my own machine I have to relie on sowone else. And yes, its swiss prices...

[J4SCrisZeri]

ah, well that's NOT a budget PC for sure

but for further advices I will shut up since my english still sucks and it's getting difficult for me

I will just follow and lurk with much interest.

[79_vRAF_Friendly_flyer]

 poor power supplies many times die violently, and they don't die alone when they do.

 

Amen to that!

[SYN_Blackrat]

https://www.digitec.ch/ProdukteVergleichen1.aspx?artikel=279943,279936,279931,276784

 

And a comparison between four systems. Are they any good? I know the prices will be a bit steep but since I dont want to assembly my own machine I have to relie on sowone else. And yes, its swiss prices...

 

IMO the graphic card is weak and the power supply on the limit with not much overhead for upgrading later, are you going to use this for your work or just games? As others have said for games only, an i5 is plenty, look at the K version of Haswell, you will want to overclock it  are there no computer stores in Switzerland online building overclocked gaming machines? As an example in the UK http://www.overclockers.co.uk/productlist.php?groupid=43 the minimum card I was looking at when I built mine a couple of months ago was the GTX680, in the end I bought a GTX770 for the same price and very slightly better performance.

 

Here is a website that you can compare processors and graphics cards http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/783?vs=829 this should be a GTX660 against a GTX770 now not all games are the same but it gives you an over all idea of the performance difference. Like others I have been tweaking and building since the 90's I get a bit of a kick out of researching the best and then working on where my budget needs to make the compromise. A good power supply is the heart, also balance between CPU and GPU otherwise you end up with a bottle neck which is not efficient and wasting money.

 

Better forums would be some of the PC building/overclocking forums, it won't take you long to get up to speed, of course everyone has different opinions too 

[J4SCrisZeri]

I have to agree about the GPU, Blackrat

[6./ZG26_Emil]

I'm shocked there was so much difference between the 580 GTX and the 680 makes me annoyed how much I spent on my 580 GTX.

 

When I upgrade soon I'll probably be aiming for a 770 it seems like the best bang for your buck but I need 3 Gig VRAM or more I think as I have a 2560x1440 monitor.

[SYN_Blackrat]

I'm shocked there was so much difference between the 580 GTX and the 680 makes me annoyed how much I spent on my 580 GTX.

 

When I upgrade soon I'll probably be aiming for a 770 it seems like the best bang for your buck but I need 3 Gig VRAM or more I think as I have a 2560x1440 monitor.

 

nah my 6970 at 2GB ran the dell 2560x1600 no problem, my 770 runs triple screen 5760x1080 in Iracing no problem, I did have a look at 3gb and opinion at the time was it was a gimmick for games due to the way the memory is used, or rather not used, cannot remember exact details but it was enough for me to save myself a few quid, nothing has maxxed the memory out yet.

 

Mind you its only about 30 quid difference now 

Edited October 1, 2013 by SYN_Blackrat

[Alesia]

It doesn't matter what CPU you buy anyway for concerns of having to upgrade the motherboard as well, the days of retaining a motherboard for the next gen are gone - each new CPU has required a new socket.

AMD has stuck with the AM3+ socket for 2 generations now with the third supposedly on the AM3+ socket as well. There are rumors that they will transfer over to the FM2 socket in the future which will support both their APUs and CPUs and would greatly simplify things. Intel on the other hand......

[Livai]

SB-E/IB-E is better than the Haswell-E

SB-E,IB-E has soldered Heatspeader for better overclocking and lower temperature and Haswell would have a soldered Heatspeader,too. You not need Quad-Channel or a six-core for only gaming.

The Mainstream Platform is enough for gaming and other things. The mainstream Sandy bridge is better than Ivy bridge or Haswell because Sandy bridge has a soldered Heatspeader, means lower temperature when you overclocking the system. And dont forget since Sandy birdge to Haswell are only 5% more Performance steps and a lower power use. If you have a Sandy bridge you not need not upgrade the CPU, just overclock it if you need more horse power. Only what is to upgrade is the Graphiccard.

 

You should not forget one point how the system works. A Game or a Software are not programmed well to force the User to buy a new Hardware. If you mod Windows you get a impressive short boot-time and better performance.

[HansHansen]

With the early access starting soon, i also think about upgrading my pc. my plan is to replace my HD4890 with the gtx 670.

however my AMD phenom2 x4 955 may spoil performance a bit, depending on how much the game relys on cpu power.

any ideas about how important the cpu will be?

[FuriousMeow]

AMD has stuck with the AM3+ socket for 2 generations now with the third supposedly on the AM3+ socket as well. There are rumors that they will transfer over to the FM2 socket in the future which will support both their APUs and CPUs and would greatly simplify things. Intel on the other hand......

 

I was speaking only on Intel. I haven't had much experience with AMD (aside from setting up a friend's PC) over the past 6 or 7 years. Same with their video cards, briefly looked at them during my most recent build but after reading several user reports of driver issues I decided to stick with nVidia.

With the early access starting soon, i also think about upgrading my pc. my plan is to replace my HD4890 with the gtx 670.

however my AMD phenom2 x4 955 may spoil performance a bit, depending on how much the game relys on cpu power.

any ideas about how important the cpu will be?

 

Very. The CPU does all the calculations for the physics, DM, AI, etc. I had an i7 870 @ 4.0GHz, went to the i7 4770k @ 4.0GHz - fully loaded out QMB in RoF (full flights, all different planes, different skins, western front map, and full ground objects) and the performance gain was significant. Instead of playable, but noticeably low FPS, it was now minimum 40fps during the entire QMB fight.

SB-E,IB-E has soldered Heatspeader for better overclocking and lower temperature and Haswell would have a soldered Heatspeader,too. You not need Quad-Channel or a six-core for only gaming.

The Mainstream Platform is enough for gaming and other things. The mainstream Sandy bridge is better than Ivy bridge or Haswell because Sandy bridge has a soldered Heatspeader, means lower temperature when you overclocking the system. And dont forget since Sandy birdge to Haswell are only 5% more Performance steps and a lower power use. If you have a Sandy bridge you not need not upgrade the CPU, just overclock it if you need more horse power. Only what is to upgrade is the Graphiccard.

 

You should not forget one point how the system works. A Game or a Software are not programmed well to force the User to buy a new Hardware. If you mod Windows you get a impressive short boot-time and better performance.

 

Flight sims are different than any other game out there, they are heavily reliant on processing a lot of data quickly. The physics modelling is by far the most complex out there, aside from higher level phyiscs rendering application suites. So the more processing that can be done per clock, the better the performance for flight simulators. War Thunder may not benefit as much because it doesn't have as much going on under the pretty visuals, but DCS, RoF and BoS will benefit. FPS games won't benefit either since they are very simple. So no, it won't be beneficial for "gaming" but very beneficial for flight simulators.

I'm shocked there was so much difference between the 580 GTX and the 680 makes me annoyed how much I spent on my 580 GTX.

 

When I upgrade soon I'll probably be aiming for a 770 it seems like the best bang for your buck but I need 3 Gig VRAM or more I think as I have a 2560x1440 monitor.

 

I have the 770GTX with 2GB and using 2560x1600 in RoF. Not an issue, only using half the memory. Other games, though, that use tons of textures or very high res textures might need 4GB (which is what the 770 comes in, not the 3GB option like the 580).

Edited October 1, 2013 by FuriousMeow

[HansHansen]

Thanks for your answer Meow, very helpful. I will buy the 670 and see how it runs, then will upgrade the CPU if necessary.

 

Considering I rarely flew IL-2 single player with more than 15 planes, not bothering with different skins or thousands of tanks and playing multi player 70% of the time, my CPU will hopefully be sufficient.