Who would pay extra to get Fw190 Cockpit fixed?

[JG4_Nemesis]

Hey Guys,

 

devs are not showing much of interest to fix the Fw190 Cockpit issue that makes visibility a pain....and all over the field pilots lose dogfights just because they lose sight of their opponents.

 

Maybe the devs will change their mind when they see how many pilots want that damn cockpit visibility problem fixed.

 

Feel free to vote and show your opinion to the public (multiple answers possible).

 

For those of you who select the last answer, look here:

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/9152-ultimate-fw190-photo-evidence-thread/

Edited February 24, 2015 by I/JG27_Nemesis

[DD_Arthur]

How about the option "don't have a problem with the 190 'pit"?  Or even "lets have a re-work of the '109 'pit first"?   

[Original_Uwe]

No option for has no impact.

if they can model refraction without performance impact and without changing an otherwise accurate 3d model well that's great, if not its a tech limit.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Refraction, although the most realistic way to simulate it, isn't nessecary to make it seem more realistic and accurate (aside Han already mentioned refraction won't ever be considered due to too high performance impact with their game engine).

 

Take a look at WT for example, their Fw 190 cockpits - arguably "totally accurately modeled according to blueprints" - initially looked like this:

Same issues as in Stalingrad: Side bars too thick, lower bar huge and covering the visor.

I couldn't help myself but starting a cockpit refurbishing campaign thread collecting historical photos and evidences using modern pictures together with other people for more than one year. Finally, after 2 revisions, they looked like this:

Huge difference, although only the 3d model and the PoV have been changed. No refraction or anything. To me this seems to be the better approach (and IL-2 devs already showed they are partly willing to find compromises regarding the cockpit framing as for the 190 and La-5).

 

While I can live with the current Fw 190 cockpit (knowing it's still uncorrect) I'd welcome any changes to get more accurate framing every day. I don't think I need to pay extra for it since we already bought the Fw 190 and in my opinion have the right to demand such rudimentary things being corrected over time.

 

Pls note this comparsion is only meant to compare the graphics of both 190 cockpits, there no other bad sense behind it. It's not my intention to get into a WT related discussion.

Edited February 25, 2015 by Stab/JG26_5tuka

[JG4_Nemesis]

Nice info Stuka, the War Thunder type of change was kinda what I expected from the devs, although they stopped doing a thing after a small initial change of the outer bar FOV limits, the center FOV (which is the main problem) was not changed at all, it still sucks badly like in the first WT version....can't understand why they claim its impossible when even WT guys can make it better...

Edited February 25, 2015 by I/JG27_Nemesis

[SOLIDKREATE]

Nemesis, all I do is fly zoomed out and I have on of my hat switches set to full zoom. When I get close I toggle that feature and fire. The Fw-190 had terrible visibility on the nose angle. We had great vis on the sides and rear. What we would really need is a VR system that has tracking cameras like the SAMSUNG Gear VR so when we lean in or back it knows.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

While I would like a bit of slimming and editing of the framing, I doubt pretty highly that skinny squarish thing is remotely accurate either. In one of the other, "THE BAR," threads there are some nice examples of third party cockpits which are better and seem more realistic. I think to get any more changes made we are gonna have to post contemporary photos and get pilots currently flying the real thing (and Flugwerk replicas) to make some testimonials regarding THE SIM and how it compares to the real thing. Otherwise, I wouldn't expect many changes until a new version of the Fw is added to one of the next chapters. It is Dev time not well spent with so much other stuff on their plates. You don't have to like it, or like my opinion, but it seems to be the reality for now.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Thats probably why Nemesis proposed an extra bill for it. Actually it should have been done in thhe first place before it left the development phase but it wasnt.

 

I remember the discussion during the early days after the fw 190 release. People were told to shut up, accept it as realism or leave the game.

 

I dont think anybody complained about the revision though after all. It was a good but not totally sufficient step from the devs as the current model is still lacking in some areas.

 

If I was to charge money for extra content I'd try to avoid leaving my customery with bad critique about this product so its a hot deal, not sth they regret or refuse buying (not saying the 190 is).

Edited March 12, 2015 by Stab/JG26_5tuka

[BraveSirRobin]

You left out an important option:  

 

No.  It's good enough the way it is.

[9./JG27golani79]

You left out an important option:  

 

No.  It's good enough the way it is.

 

wow .. this game must be your holy grail when everytime the smallest thing is criticized your are saying everything is just fine .. lol ..

 

This is a thing which is obviously modelled wrong and people already have paid money for it - so it definitely should be changed.

I´m also a bit shocked to see that there are actually people who would pay again for something which should have been done in the first place already.

[71st_AH_Hooves]

wow .. this game must be your holy grail when everytime the smallest thing is criticized your are saying everything is just fine .. lol ..

 

This is a thing which is obviously modelled wrong and people already have paid money for it - so it definitely should be changed.

I´m also a bit shocked to see that there are actually people who would pay again for something which should have been done in the first place already.

Ok you put up a slighted poll with slighted answers and when some one calls you out that there are no answers to the opposite of the argument. You jump them with your opinion stated as fact.

 

I also think there should be an option of No, i think its fine the way it is. Simply to accurately get cross section of opinions. Until then this is a completey biased abuse of what polls are for.

Edited March 12, 2015 by Hooves_McG

[BraveSirRobin]

wow .. this game must be your holy grail when everytime the smallest thing is criticized your are saying everything is just fine .. lol ..

 

 

I said nothing of the sort.  I just pointed out that the poll is missing an extremely important option. If you don't include that option your poll is so biased as to be completely useless.

[9./JG27golani79]

Ok you put up a slighted poll with slighted answers and when some one calls you out that there are no answers to the opposite of the argument. You jump them with your opinion stated as fact.

 

First - I didn´t put up this poll and second I only brought this up because in almost every topic where anything is criticized you can see him defending the game and telling everyone that everything is fine.

 

 

And what you take as "facts" is just my opinion on this topic.

[BraveSirRobin]

The only fact we have established at this point is that you know absolutely nothing about polling.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Maybe but well I think Nemesis wanted to adress this to people who actually feel it need sot be changed like askin gthem if they are willing to pay additional money for it, not making this a "should it be changed" poll per se.

 

Anyway maybe some refference might help this disput:

 

 

 

A fw 190 F-8 althought same front window framing:

 

And last but not least the video any Fw 190 guys has seen infinetly already:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=4V3TlPYL8Sw#t=51

[BraveSirRobin]

Maybe but well I think Nemesis wanted to adress this to people who actually feel it need sot be changed like askin gthem if they are willing to pay additional money for it, not making this a "should it be changed" poll per se.

 

 

Then he should state that purpose and remove the "I don't know anything about this issue" option.

[AvengerSeawolf]

 I agree to that, the cockpit of the FW 190 has to change. The visibility og the plane was excellent, and the topic describes that with historical and real life images.

 Please fix that  over there it would help even more on making this sim even better and more realistic than it is, as well as justify the payments people did for the plane, among them me too.

Edited March 31, 2015 by AvengerSeawolf