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Sokol1

Sokol1

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You will need a drool bib while you gaze upon it's greatness.

 

And a box of tissue for the tears when you see prices ... :biggrin:

 

Anyway, the "plane" that use this kind of controls did not fall?

 

Sokol1

VeryOldMan

VeryOldMan

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Funny.. i would pay nothing for those.  I find hard to understand why people want sticks are  unergonomic and disfunctional  as the original ones.   I prefer a modern   stick with as many buttons within   my reach, goo ergonomics that will not tire me neither use half my living room in space.

 

For me  this type of thing does not add to my immersion... It detracts from it because i need to   go look at my keyboard for hta command that I could not map  into  the controls.

SOLIDKREATE

SOLIDKREATE

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I think their products would go great with DCS: Spitfire if that game ever came out.

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Creepermoss

Creepermoss

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The only issue I'd have with a setup like that, is that I'd feel odd flying German planes with it. Now, if they were to produce a 109 replica of the same quality, I would gladly put myself in debt to obtain them.

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jocko417

jocko417

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The SpitSim is being constantly improved by Mr. Jon Fellows, the designer, to be as accurate a simulation of the Spitfire's flight controls as possible. New equipment/options will include:

 

Hall sensors to be used instead of linear pots

 

Differential brakes - the brake lever as it is now is an 'on-off' switch, activating both brakes at once. The new design will act in the same way as in the real aircraft, the lever activates the brake pressure and it is sent to both brakes equally or differentially based on whether the pedals are centered or not. Full left rudder means only the left brake is activated, etc.

 

New flap selector switch

 

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The spade grip has been refined, the "SpitSim Mk.II" version was cast using a real Mk.IX grip as an example.

 

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Brake Lever

 

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The original SpitSim spade grip was cast as one piece from the roll pivot upwards. The new version is attached onto the roll arm like in the real aircraft. This will probably make it easier to switch grips out once the cannon button version has been designed. This is, of course, my opinion only as I have no idea when the cannon version of the grip will be available.

 

Mr. Fellows is also working on an MDF Spitfire cockpit section for pit builders:

 

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He's also started doing what Thrustmaster originally intended (but never managed) to do: Interchangeable stick grips. Lots of folks would like a P-51 style grip for WW2 sims or a B-8 grip for early jets, myself included. Now what he needs to do is offer different throttle quadrants to match. :)

1./KG4_Blackwolf

1./KG4_Blackwolf

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My squad mate works with Hans Schmid and his team for a all metal stick and now rudder peds testing the stuff he makes.

I'll link his site but it down for an upgrade. The guy that has the stick and tested the peds loves it, and says " The stick that I ordered is called the KG20. The difference is that the KG13 is a faithful reproduction of the stick used in the me-109, with 4 buttons and two axes, just like the original. The KG20 is still similar to the 109 stick but with modifications designed to optimize it for use on flight simulators: 20 buttons, an extra axis (a slider that can be used for throttle, flaps, or whatever), a big switch that changes buttons 1,2,3 into 7,8,9 (may be useful to switch between 'fighter mode' and 'bomber mode')

So its an $1100 hybrid.

http://www.schreinerschmid.com/Home

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MACADEMIC

MACADEMIC

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My squad mate works with Hans Schmid and his team for a all metal stick and now rudder peds testing the stuff he makes.

I'll link his site but it down for an upgrade. The guy that has the stick and tested the peds loves it, and says " The stick that I ordered is called the KG20. The difference is that the KG13 is a faithful reproduction of the stick used in the me-109, with 4 buttons and two axes, just like the original. The KG20 is still similar to the 109 stick but with modifications designed to optimize it for use on flight simulators: 20 buttons, an extra axis (a slider that can be used for throttle, flaps, or whatever), a big switch that changes buttons 1,2,3 into 7,8,9 (may be useful to switch between 'fighter mode' and 'bomber mode')

So its an $1100 hybrid.

http://www.schreinerschmid.com/Home

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Force Feedback?

 

MAC

1./KG4_Blackwolf

1./KG4_Blackwolf

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I don't know MAC, I will check with him and see. If not that would be a suggestion we could bring up to Hans to add to it.

SOLIDKREATE

SOLIDKREATE

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My squad mate works with Hans Schmid and his team for a all metal stick and now rudder peds testing the stuff he makes.

I'll link his site but it down for an upgrade. The guy that has the stick and tested the peds loves it, and says " The stick that I ordered is called the KG20. The difference is that the KG13 is a faithful reproduction of the stick used in the me-109, with 4 buttons and two axes, just like the original. The KG20 is still similar to the 109 stick but with modifications designed to optimize it for use on flight simulators: 20 buttons, an extra axis (a slider that can be used for throttle, flaps, or whatever), a big switch that changes buttons 1,2,3 into 7,8,9 (may be useful to switch between 'fighter mode' and 'bomber mode')

So its an $1100 hybrid.

http://www.schreinerschmid.com/Home

 

 

 

 

You beat me to it Blackwolf!

79_vRAF_Friendly_flyer

79_vRAF_Friendly_flyer

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Man that spade-grip looks nice! I wouldn't mind the 109-stick either.

1./KG4_Blackwolf

1./KG4_Blackwolf

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You beat me to it Blackwolf!

:biggrin:  The guy in my squad raves about the stick and tested the prototype peds..sent them back to Hans for some tweaking and I'm sure he will buy them. I'm a CH guy and can't spend 1100 on a stick, I can't justify that with the wife. If I did buy it, it would cost me half my stuff!  :)  But I'd get a new apartment instead of my house!  :biggrin:

The EDGE versions with some "unlocks"... erh "field mods"  ;)  looks practical.

 

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Bauer are working in a game version of KG13-B (hopefully more accessible than (RIP) Tarmac Aces).

 

http://avia-sim.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=629&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=495

 

Sokol1

Nice looking set up!

322Sqn_Dusty

322Sqn_Dusty

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I've been looking for a triple action like that for a future Mk IX wish.

79_vRAF_Friendly_flyer

79_vRAF_Friendly_flyer

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Interestingly, the Russians used spade-grip sticks for several of their early fighters.

 

I-16:

 

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LaGG:

 

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and of course the sims namesake herself, IL-2:

 

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jocko417

jocko417

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Curious, since use Mk.IX "spad" should be use "BBC" fire button instead this one show in pictures.

 

Sokol1

All Spits used the same spade grip, only the firing mechanism differed. I included the picture of the casting to show the shape of the grip, not the firing button.

 

A ' BBC' firing button is supposed to be a future option, but no idea of when.

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Sokol1

Sokol1

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Interestingly, the Russians used spade-grip sticks for several of their early fighters.

 

And brakes similar to "British" system: press a lever in "spade", move rudder bar to brake right or left wheel (or leave in center to brake both).

 

I am curious in know how BoS will model this system, as real, or for please the crowd and avoid CloD like complains "This game are broken I can not assign "toe brakes" on Sturmovik (the plane)!" use a generic system for all planes...

 

And also interestingly is that "advanced" WWII Russian fighters use a grip copy(?) of German one.

 

Sokol1

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Sokol1

Sokol1

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All Spits used the same spade grip, only the firing mechanism differed. I included the picture of the casting to show the shape of the grip, not the firing button.

 

Just for curiosity (after all "is just for game) - accord the experts:

Spitfire IA, IIA, VA use (Dunlop) AH2174 spade grip.

 

Spitfire IB, IIB, VB, VC, F.VI, VII, VIII, FIX, FXII, FXXI and Seafire use (Dunlop) AH8068 spad grip.

 

No info about IX...

 

Between the two above the visible difference is the support for circular or square (double) fire button.

 

AH8068 show slight differences for this "game model" of previous pictures, in the support for brake cable and base flange... This large base flange is only see in supposed "repros".

 

;)

 

Sokol1

MarcoRossolini

MarcoRossolini

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In a fantasy world I'd have all these different joysticks and everytime I switched aircraft I'd plug in a different stick. (then again, if I had that much money to burn, I'd probably own the real thing)

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Jochen

Jochen

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VKB is planning to release a KG13-like grip for their upcoming Fat Black Mamba base. Expected Q1 2014.

They're also developing an interface for the Thrustmaster Warthog grip for said base.

It uses MARS (Magnetic Acoustic Resonator Sensors) instead of Hall-effect-sensors and promises better accessibility, sturdiness and maintenance friendly (it's Russian-made).

 

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Lord_Haw-Haw

Lord_Haw-Haw

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I wouldn´t want to think what a fitting setup in that direction would cost for a bomber pilot.......

Unless your name is Bill Gates........ :blink:

Jochen

Jochen

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I wouldn´t want to think what a fitting setup in that direction would cost for a bomber pilot.

 

The He.111 control column may be a bit daunting indeed.

There are replicas for (eg.) the B-17 control column however that you could combine with a CH products or ACE yoke.

 

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Lord_Haw-Haw

Lord_Haw-Haw

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The He.111 control column may be a bit daunting indeed.

There are replicas for (eg.) the B-17 control column however that you could combine with a CH products or ACE yoke.

 

xelj.jpg

 

Well since I mainly fly german bombers, something like this would be my cup of tea!

Junkers_Ju_88D_cockpit.jpg

 

But my guess with a normal income, way beyond reach!

Jochen

Jochen

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Tut mir leit ... (^.-)

 

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Lord_Haw-Haw

Lord_Haw-Haw

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Oh ha! Wo bekommt man das??

 

It would be my fault if you found my bomber, as I do not like to play easy target! ;)

Flying_Colander

Flying_Colander

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Hello, Jochen.

 

Where did you find the information for this KG13 grip? I've searched the VKB Europe site with no luck. Can you point us to some links?

 

I think it is high time for joystick manufacturers to settle upon some universal standard so we can swap sticks and bases. I think VKB is on the right track. I look forward to a KG13 stick and a RAF spade grip too.

 

Cheers,

 

Flying Colander

 

VKB is planning to release a KG13-like grip for their upcoming Fat Black Mamba base. Expected Q1 2014.

They're also developing an interface for the Thrustmaster Warthog grip for said base.

It uses MARS (Magnetic Acoustic Resonator Sensors) instead of Hall-effect-sensors and promises better accessibility, sturdiness and maintenance friendly (it's Russian-made).

 

z8l6.jpg
 

SOLIDKREATE

SOLIDKREATE

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OMG a KG-13, I need new shorts now.


I wouldn´t want to think what a fitting setup in that direction would cost for a bomber pilot.......

Unless your name is Bill Gates........ :blink:

 

 

If I had to guess for a full He-111.....possibly over $30,000.00 EUR.

Lord_Haw-Haw

Lord_Haw-Haw

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OMG a KG-13, I need new shorts now.

 

 

If I had to guess for a full He-111.....possibly over $30,000.00 EUR.

Even if I had that kind of pocket money, my wife would kick me out if I made a full cockpit set up.

But something like this as a functionable yoke? Sure thing I would buy it!

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Sokol1

Sokol1

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Where did you find the information for this KG13 grip? I've searched the VKB Europe site with no luck.

 

VKB mention this on Sukhoi forum, but not announce yet...

 

Probable the more easy way to get a KG13 grips is from Bauer, they have modular bases too (the "Designer 1")

http://avia-sim.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=629&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=570

 

Grip from client (original KG13-A)

http://savepic.su/2671607.jpg

 

Sokol1

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Omg! Looks great ;)

SOLIDKREATE

SOLIDKREATE

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Even if I had that kind of pocket money, my wife would kick me out if I made a full cockpit set up.

But something like this as a functionable yoke? Sure thing I would buy it!

 

 

 

Well then we can both buy one and then rent a place together and turn it into a man cave and fly til we die, LOL!

Jochen

Jochen

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Hello, Jochen.

 

Where did you find the information for this KG13 grip? I've searched the VKB Europe site with no luck. Can you point us to some links?

 

Certainly sir ... http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5957&p=66321&viewfull=1#post66321.

Please note that I wrote planned for Q1 2014, which Eduard from VKB Europe kindly confirmed in an e-mail.

As you know plans may change, but it's a good sign nonetheless that they're developing one.

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Flying_Colander

Flying_Colander

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Thanks for that, Jochen. Fingers crossed.

 

Cheers,

 

F.C.

Jochen

Jochen

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VKB mention this on Sukhoi forum, but not announce yet...

 

Probable the more easy way to get a KG13 grips is from Bauer, they have modular bases too (the "Designer 1")

http://avia-sim.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=629&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=570

 

Grip from client (original KG13-A)

http://savepic.su/2671607.jpg

 

Sokol1

 

Hi Sokol1, do you know if Bauer started serial production of his KG13 grip?

It's been a somewhat long prototyping period from what I gather, but the link you attached shows more recent activity.

As you know, there is/was also an Italian maker of a plastic KG13 model, Maurizio Di Terlizzi.

http://www.hyperscale.com/2009/reviews/kits/tailboombf109stickbg_1.htm

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Jochen

Jochen

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Thanks Sokol1, Bauer's project is worth a closer look. Still prefer a metal grip though.

You didn't assemble Maurizio's KG13? You must be a busy man (^,^)

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