Winter map for Cliffs of Dover????

[Blitzen]

You bet:

http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5817&p=62403&posted=1#post62403

 

Vid:

http://vimeo.com/75044235#at=0

 

Not bad looking either...

[BlitzPig_EL]

To what end?

 

So the vultures over Hawkinge and Manston can pick out the RAF on the ground easier?

 

Sorry, but with so many things still so undeveloped in CloD, this is an amazing waste of dev time.

[Pupo]

To what end?

 

So the vultures over Hawkinge and Manston can pick out the RAF on the ground easier?

 

Sorry, but with so many things still so undeveloped in CloD, this is an amazing waste of dev time.

 

given that is free modded work, calling it "waste of development time" is just plain wrong....

[LukeFF]

Off-topic much? 

[SR-F_Winger]

I apprechiate the enthusiasm of the FUSION folks. But i also think that they are fighting a last stand. ESPECIALLY due to the incoming BOS. I can see hardly anybody play Clod once BOS it out or even only in early access.

[DD_bongodriver]

Well we just have to wait and see what we actually get, but no Clod has years left in it thanks to TF, but hey if you want to blame BoS for killing the genre then go ahead.

[Lord_Haw-Haw]

I find this topic should be moved to the "Free subject area" as it has nothing to do with BoS.

As to the topic CoD and team fusion, I see it more or less so, team fusion might make the

saddle more comfortable but the saddle is on a dead horse.

Edited September 29, 2013 by Lord_Haw-Haw

[Kaenzdhi]

I find this topic should be moved to the "Free subject area" as it has nothing to do with BoS.

+1

[DD_bongodriver]

Everyone is entitled to an opinion even if it is completely wrong.

[LLv44_Mprhead]

Winter map looks nice enough and it's great that TF is keeping CloD alive. I have played it quite a lot recently, sadly internet connection is too poor for online play where I am atm, so I can't try that. Whether CloD has a future in longer run or not, is another thing. If TF is able to produce also more content to it, and by more content I mean new maps and new aircraft types (not just submodels of existing ones), then I don't see a reason why it should die anytime soon.

[BlitzPig_EL]

 and by more content I mean new maps and new aircraft types (not just submodels of existing ones),

 

Exactly my point.  "Repainting" a current map gets CloD absolutely nowhere.  It desperately needs more new maps and new flyable aircraft types.  Sadly, at the level of detail needed for aircraft DMs in CloD I just don't see this happening any time soon.  What I suspect will happen is the reverse of what happened in IL2/FB/PF/46, where the DMs and models improved as the title advanced. In CloD I have a bad feeling that the impetus to add new aircraft will cause shortcuts in the internal modeling, thus leading to the new additions being inferior to original aircraft that shipped with the title.

[DD_bongodriver]

Exactly my point.  "Repainting" a current map gets CloD absolutely nowhere.  It desperately needs more new maps and new flyable aircraft types.  Sadly, at the level of detail needed for aircraft DMs in CloD I just don't see this happening any time soon.  What I suspect will happen is the reverse of what happened in IL2/FB/PF/46, where the DMs and models improved as the title advanced. In CloD I have a bad feeling that the impetus to add new aircraft will cause shortcuts in the internal modeling, thus leading to the new additions being inferior to original aircraft that shipped with the title.

 

How else do you recreate a winter map without repainting the existing summer one? it then extends the timeframe for that theatre...not totally useless, Sadly nothing, clearly TF are very talented and do not rush anything as is clearly evident.

[Uufflakke]

If TF is able to produce also more content to it, and by more content I mean new maps and new aircraft types (not just submodels of existing ones), then I don't see a reason why it should die anytime soon.

 

Well, they created a Malta map but you need to have a whole lot of fantasy to see any similarity with Malta.

Reminds me of how IL2 modding started in the old AAA days (2007?).  Retexturing an existing map (Finland I think it was) into the Battle of Britain area.

It is a beginning, who knows it will lead to something interesting in the long run and when other modders participate in the TF CLOD project.

Edited September 29, 2013 by Uufflakke

[Original_Uwe]

I hope they keep fighting the good fight there at team fusion. Because honestly even though BoS looks great I just cannot get hot and bothered about the ostfront and I'm going to get bored with it quickly.

With the channel map though we can do battle of France and Britain, which will keep me entertained endlessly.

[Blitzen]

I guess you might say I'm with the pro-CloD faction here esp afteer the Mods ATAG has & is continuing to do ...yes I might change my playing habits when BoS arrives ( I can hardly wait!) but I imagine that like RopF it will take some time to really get it up to the full potential we all hope for. In the emantime CloD is a joy in so many ways & the Malta Maop takes no more imagination than many of the maps in Il-2.It offeres a startling change in landscape & lighing & is a far better background for the Italian aircraft than the Channel Map offers...

 

 

 

 

 

I'm just saying...it really is worth a try...on the other hand I have absolutely no idea what they'll do with the winter map,,,skinners will probably have to work on a whole bunch of Russian marked Brit aircraft,tho?!

[DD_bongodriver]

I believe the winter map simply continues the war after the BoB.......after all the Brits only won that battle and not the war at that point.

[6./ZG26_Emil]

I hope they keep fighting the good fight there at team fusion. Because honestly even though BoS looks great I just cannot get hot and bothered about the ostfront and I'm going to get bored with it quickly.

With the channel map though we can do battle of France and Britain, which will keep me entertained endlessly.

 

I was hankering after the Battle of Britain for years since Oleg said he was going to make it but what we have now is not even remotely like the real BOB. The most bombers you will ever see online is 6 or so that spawn in the exact same place and altitude the whole feel is just wrong for me. I'm actually looking forward to going back to where IL2 started. I hope the make more improvements with their patch but it isn't going to fix the most broken aspect of the sim which is the lack of variety in game play.

[DD_bongodriver]

maybe more people would play the thing if people weren't so bloody negative about it all the time, the whiners are hardly doing it any favours.

[LLv44_Mprhead]

I believe the winter map simply continues the war after the BoB.......after all the Brits only won that battle and not the war at that point.

 

Yep, the winter map will extend the timeframe to cover winter 1940-41 and if they model Bf 109 E-7 (should be doable), then it could cover western front up until summer 1941.

 

 

maybe more people would play the thing if people weren't so bloody negative about it all the time, the whiners are hardly doing it any favours.

 

Also true. Problem is, that the state CloD was published in earned it so much negative publicity that quite a few people think that it is still broken. I was one of those up until few months ago. At the moment I know that there are some friends of mine who are also giving it a second chance, and I have done my best to assure people that now it really is worthy of trying out.

[DD_bongodriver]

Problem is some people are refusing to accept the whole 'Clod is doing ok now' because it invalidates the months of negativity they made everyone endure at 1C forums based on the 'inherently broken argument', TF have well and truly scuppered that theory.

[6./ZG26_Emil]

Well I think most people in the sim community know that the sim is almost fixed. The problem for many people is that there is only one server to fly on and no easy way to run Co-ops or find opponents for them. I think like myself many people come back to CLOD play it for a bit and then ultimately get bored of the same play style. What was needed was some kind of replacement for HL and it was inexplicable that this wasn't thought out before it was released. Also ROF suffers from this same problem and so will BOS.

[DD_bongodriver]

Yep......original IL2 co-op is what killed the flight sim.......

[6./ZG26_Emil]

Its not co-ops that is the issue. You can easily run a co-op style mission in a dogfight server in CLOD or ROF. The problem is not being able to see people who are online and ready to join a mission. Such a small thing would make all the difference. All they needed to do was incorporate a chat function and a list of people who are online on the same page as the server listing, that way you could see who was online but not in game. Then you could advertise for a 1v1 or co-op or ask people to test something.

 

It was a major oversight in CLOD and ROF

[DD_Arthur]

Yep, the winter map will extend the timeframe to cover winter 1940-41 and if they model Bf 109 E-7 (should be doable), then it could cover western front up until summer 1941.

 

 

 

 

 

 A good point. I think we tend to forget that the war went on after the Battle of  Britain and CoD's channel map is big enough to accommodate more scenarios based on actions in 1941 when the RAF went over to the offensive.  To this end perhaps a Spitfire mk. V would be fairly doable too?

[LLv44_Mprhead]

 A good point. I think we tend to forget that the war went on after the Battle of  Britain and CoD's channel map is big enough to accommodate more scenarios based on actions in 1941 when the RAF went over to the offensive.  To this end perhaps a Spitfire mk. V would be fairly doable too?

Can't say that I have any idea how complex it would be to model mkV In theory it should be mk Ib with merlin 45 engine (if we would like to model mk Vb, which we should, since that was the main type. mk Va would perhaps be easier, since it had the same wing as mk Ia and same 8 machineguns). But as I said, I have no idea how difficult task it would be, adding those cannons with their bumps on the wings should make FM slightly different, I guess?

 

Anyways, going beond that would be rather difficult I guess, because then Bf 109f and Fw-190 make their appearance and during the autumn of 1941 109E was phased out, atleast from fighter duties, if I have understood correctly.

[heinkill]

Well, they created a Malta map but you need to have a whole lot of fantasy to see any similarity with Malta.

Reminds me of how IL2 modding started in the old AAA days (2007?).  Retexturing an existing map (Finland I think it was) into the Battle of Britain area.

 

 

 

Actually, just a correction... 'they' didn't create a Malta map. Valeriy Kucheraviy created some desert textures and Afrika skins, and I created a Malta scenario and missions out of them...but as you note, it is not a new map, and I have to point out, it is not Team Fusion work. Just something to bridge the gap.

 

Team Fusion is actually doing a proper Malta Map and to my knowledge that work is progressing well. They will have a new map, new objects including new aircraft and ships, so considering they are doing all this for free, I think it is hard to complain about!

 

To say no one will fly CoD after BoS is released is a little simplistic. I have preordered BoS, but have very little (almost zero) interest in that theatre, so even though I am sure I will enjoy it for a while, I will keep playing Battle of Britain in CoD, Malta in CoD, Battle of Britain in BOBII, DCS A10C, Pacific war scenarios in IL2 46...you name it. Does anyone really only have one sim on their HDD and play nothing else?

 

H

Edited September 29, 2013 by heinkill

[Sokol1]

EDIT - Ops, same as Heinkil  about Malta.

 

Sokol1

Edited September 29, 2013 by Sokol1

[Blitzen]

Nice work Heikill- am really enjoying your work!

[Feathered_IV]

Do any images of the new Malta map exist? So far I haven't been able to find any.

[Bearcat]

I guess you might say I'm with the pro-CloD faction here esp afteer the Mods ATAG has & is continuing to do ...yes I might change my playing habits when BoS arrives ( I can hardly wait!) but I imagine that like RopF it will take some time to really get it up to the full potential we all hope for. In the emantime CloD is a joy in so many ways & the Malta Maop takes no more imagination than many of the maps in Il-2.

I'm just saying...it really is worth a try...on the other hand I have absolutely no idea what they'll do with the winter map,,,skinners will probably have to work on a whole bunch of Russian marked Brit aircraft,tho?!

 

Look it has not been said before but let me get something straight here.. absolutely straight.

 

A "Pro CoD" faction here needs to go to the CoD boards and stay there.

 

This is the IL2 Battle of Stalingrad forum. Now if you want to discuss other sims here including CoD that is more than welcome.. but this is not some neutral ground where people can pop in and fight whatever fights they have been fighting on the CoD boards or elsewhere... That BS is not welcome here at all. There is no "pro XXX " faction here.. we are all simmers and we appreciate a multitude of products .. but this forum is here for BoS Now I see you have supported BoS which is a good thing but that divisive stuff is not welcome and will not be tolerated so please.. you can buy what you want and fly what you want... but this is the BoS forum and if you want to discuss other products here as I said that is always welcome but if you feel that you have to state your "pro xxx" affiliation then go somewhere else please.

 

maybe more people would play the thing if people weren't so bloody negative about it all the time, the whiners are hardly doing it any favours.

 

Stop it....

 

Problem is, that the state CloD was published in earned it so much negative publicity that quite a few people think that it is still broken. I was one of those up until few months ago. At the moment I know that there are some friends of mine who are also giving it a second chance, and I have done my best to assure people that now it really is worthy of trying out.

 

Yes... but it isn't in that state now but it is still has no developer support and as good as TF is from my understanding they still do not have the source code so there is only so much they can do. That has more to do with people's notion that as good as CoD gets it will still be limited until the full code is re;eased.

 

Problem is some people are refusing to accept the whole 'Clod is doing ok now' because it invalidates the months of negativity they made everyone endure at 1C forums based on the 'inherently broken argument', TF have well and truly scuppered that theory.

 

See the above post.... It runs now and the work TF is doing is great but it is still limited.

 

Well I think most people in the sim community know that the sim is almost fixed. The problem for many people is that there is only one server to fly on and no easy way to run Co-ops or find opponents for them. I think like myself many people come back to CLOD play it for a bit and then ultimately get bored of the same play style. What was needed was some kind of replacement for HL and it was inexplicable that this wasn't thought out before it was released. Also ROF suffers from this same problem and so will BOS.

 

I agree ..

 

Yep......original IL2 co-op is what killed the flight sim.......

 

You are being sarcastic right? Just checking..

 

Its not co-ops that is the issue. You can easily run a co-op style mission in a dogfight server in CLOD or ROF. The problem is not being able to see people who are online and ready to join a mission. Such a small thing would make all the difference. All they needed to do was incorporate a chat function and a list of people who are online on the same page as the server listing, that way you could see who was online but not in game. Then you could advertise for a 1v1 or co-op or ask people to test something.

 

It was a major oversight in CLOD and ROF

 

This is the same thing that helped to kill CFS 3.. aside from the fact that CFS 3 was a POS anyway.. IMO any new sim including BoS needs to consider including the ability to go IP to IP or to use some kind of lobby .. I don't know how RoF or CoD are online yet because I still have yet to fly them online but I do know that a part of the longevity of IL2 is HL. If it all depended on the UBI lobby it would have died a long time ago and we would not be here. 

[JG27_Chivas]

I'm pro BOS and COD.   Why would it be OK for the COD haters to state falsehoods, and not be challenged.  Not by calling them names, just point out the facts.  TF fusion is slowly finishing and improving COD so average computers can play it, where hundreds of aircraft, and objects can be in the same mission.   Improved FM, DM, Water, Clouds, Smoke, Particle fps, huge LOD improvement, large online capacity, improved summer colors, winter map, new ships, new aircraft variants, possible new aircraft, and possible new maps like Malta, etc etc.   So much so that COD could be easily be on a par with BOS when it comes, and we have yet to see how BOS will pan out.   Why the hate, why not just appreciate the work that a community mod team is doing.   Hopefully BOS will also develop a community mod team to help the developers fine tune and add to their work.

Edited September 30, 2013 by JG27_Chivas

[Blitzen]

Look it has not been said before but let me get something straight here.. absolutely straight.

 

A "Pro CoD" faction here needs to go to the CoD boards and stay there.

 

This is the IL2 Battle of Stalingrad forum. Now if you want to discuss other sims here including CoD that is more than welcome.. but this is not some neutral ground where people can pop in and fight whatever fights they have been fighting on the CoD boards or elsewhere... That BS is not welcome here at all. There is no "pro XXX " faction here.. we are all simmers and we appreciate a multitude of products .. but this forum is here for BoS Now I see you have supported BoS which is a good thing but that divisive stuff is not welcome and will not be tolerated so please.. you can buy what you want and fly what you want... but this is the BoS forum and if you want to discuss other products here as I said that is always welcome but if you feel that you have to state your "pro xxx" affiliation then go somewhere else please.

 

 

Stop it....

 

 

Yes... but it isn't in that state now but it is still has no developer support and as good as TF is from my understanding they still do not have the source code so there is only so much they can do. That has more to do with people's notion that as good as CoD gets it will still be limited until the full code is re;eased.

 

 

See the above post.... It runs now and the work TF is doing is great but it is still limited.

 

 

I agree ..

 

 

You are being sarcastic right? Just checking..

 

 

This is the same thing that helped to kill CFS 3.. aside from the fact that CFS 3 was a POS anyway.. IMO any new sim including BoS needs to consider including the ability to go IP to IP or to use some kind of lobby .. I don't know how RoF or CoD are online yet because I still have yet to fly them online but I do know that a part of the longevity of IL2 is HL. If it all depended on the UBI lobby it would have died a long time ago and we would not be here. 

 

Point taken & understood...when i posted this I had no idea I might be stepping on toes,it was just something I noticed that was coincidental with the beautiful BoS winter landscape we are seein more & more of.It wasn't pro or anti anything.I pre-bought BoS the first day it became possible..I can't wait to fly the Bf-109F over Stalingrad..I guess I'm pro flight sim & delighted to have a few choices to enjoy ....I had no idea what i was stepping into...

[Bearcat]

Chivas ... What hate.. Hate is a pretty strong thing and it gets tossed around like yesterday's drawers by some of you folks who consider CoD the holy grail of flight Sims... Get over it. Look no one is disputing the good work done by TF but I am getting about as sick of hearing about how messed up CoD was at release as I am sick of hearing about how it is now the greatest flight sim ever created and anything else is just a sub par arcade wanna be.

 

I am getting sick and tired of policing a bunch of grown men some whom I have known for years who insist in acting like a bunch if schoolgirls over some d@mn software that I might add they had nothing to do with creating. You would think that some of the folks on either side of the issue either had food taken out of their mouths or their intellectual property stolen.

 

Discussion is great but too often this "discussion" denigrates into name calling and finger pointing and a whole lot of reported posts from "victims" as well as offenders masquerading as victims.. It is getting old and some of the folks around here need to grow up man up and just loosen up and just generally calm down.

 

We all should be simmers first and dancing in the friggin streets at the prospect of actually having 3 high fidelity WWII flight Sims to pick from 12-24 months from now and stop the frat boy BS about whose schlong is bigger . This crap needs to stop. You d@mn skippy I am a BoS fanboi ... but I was a flight sim fanboi first and I still am. BoS is going to be great and whether or not it is "better" or "worse" than CoD or dCS is totally irrelevant. As good as it will be it will still have it's flaws just like DCS does.. and it's wWII offering will... and CoD most certainly does.

 

Just enjoy them and stop the stupidness.. get over it and move on into the bright future ahead.

 

Blitzen .. point taken.

[JG27_Chivas]

Chivas ... What hate.. Hate is a pretty strong thing and it gets tossed around like yesterday's drawers by some of you folks who consider CoD the holy grail of flight Sims... Get over it. Look no one is disputing the good work done by TF but I am getting about as sick of hearing about how messed up CoD was at release as I am sick of hearing about how it is now the greatest flight sim ever created and anything else is just a sub par arcade wanna be.

 

I am getting sick and tired of policing a bunch of grown men some whom I have known for years who insist in acting like a bunch if schoolgirls over some d@mn software that I might add they had nothing to do with creating. You would think that some of the folks on either side of the issue either had food taken out of their mouths or their intellectual property stolen.

 

Discussion is great but too often this "discussion" denigrates into name calling and finger pointing and a whole lot of reported posts from "victims" as well as offenders masquerading as victims.. It is getting old and some of the folks around here need to grow up man up and just loosen up and just generally calm down.

 

We all should be simmers first and dancing in the friggin streets at the prospect of actually having 3 high fidelity WWII flight Sims to pick from 12-24 months from now and stop the frat boy BS about whose schlong is bigger . This crap needs to stop. You d@mn skippy I am a BoS fanboi ... but I was a flight sim fanboi first and I still am. BoS is going to be great and whether or not it is "better" or "worse" than CoD or dCS is totally irrelevant. As good as it will be it will still have it's flaws just like DCS does.. and it's wWII offering will... and CoD most certainly does.

 

Just enjoy them and stop the stupidness.. get over it and move on into the bright future ahead.

 

Blitzen .. point taken.

 

 

 

I'm sick of hearing over exaggerations myself.  I don't recall anyone ever calling COD the HolyGrail of combat flight sims, but most people should be able to see it has potential, which Team Fusion is currently proving.   I've responded to people's negative posts with more positive one's, suggesting they might want to look at what's going on, and view it with a more open mind..  I know that's just wrong.  lol

 

Edited September 30, 2013 by JG27_Chivas

[tempered]

 I'm a huge COD fan.  The game has amazing potential that was cut short. Team Fusion is trying and succeeding in rescueing it from the trash heap. I find it commendable and wish them success.

 

I'm also a huge ROF fan, which is also a competing product to IL2 BOS. Should I not talk about that sim as well?

 

I happen to enjoy the DCS series. Is that another forbidden topic?

 

 What the hell is wrong with you people? 

[Bearcat]

I'm sick of hearing over exaggerations myself.  I don't recall anyone ever calling COD the HolyGrail of combat flight sims, but most people should be able to see it has potential, which Team Fusion is currently proving.   I've responded to people's negative posts with more positive one's, suggesting they might want to look at what's going on, and view it with a more open mind..  I know that's just wrong.  lol

 

Are you kidding me...?  Just look at the DCS thread.. and look at the way things flare up around here and 9 times out of 10 it is centered around some CoD fan or critic who just cannot resist. Yes for the most part your posts are among the more civil.

 

 I'm a huge COD fan.  The game has amazing potential that was cut short. Team Fusion is trying and succeeding in rescueing it from the trash heap. I find it commendable and wish them success.

 

I'm also a huge ROF fan, which is also a competing product to IL2 BOS. Should I not talk about that sim as well?

 

I happen to enjoy the DCS series. Is that another forbidden topic?

 

 What the hell is wrong with you people? 

 

What are you talking about... ?    What forbidden topics are you referring to? The only forbidden topics are the ones stated in The Rules. The topics I am referring to are the same ones that continuously devolve into schlock fests, usually between the same people, concerning the same subject, which is usually something involving CoD/Ilya/and now DCS over and over and over...

 

Chivas ... What hate.. Hate is a pretty strong thing and it gets tossed around like yesterday's drawers by some of you folks who consider CoD the holy grail of flight Sims... Get over it. Look no one is disputing the good work done by TF but I am getting about as sick of hearing about how messed up CoD was at release as I am sick of hearing about how it is now the greatest flight sim ever created and anything else is just a sub par arcade wanna be.

 

I am getting sick and tired of policing a bunch of grown men some whom I have known for years who insist in acting like a bunch if schoolgirls over some d@mn software that I might add they had nothing to do with creating. You would think that some of the folks on either side of the issue either had food taken out of their mouths or their intellectual property stolen.

 

Discussion is great but too often this "discussion" denigrates into name calling and finger pointing and a whole lot of reported posts from "victims" as well as offenders masquerading as victims.. It is getting old and some of the folks around here need to grow up man up and just loosen up and just generally calm down.

 

We all should be simmers first and dancing in the friggin streets at the prospect of actually having 3 high fidelity WWII flight Sims to pick from 12-24 months from now and stop the frat boy BS about whose schlong is bigger . This crap needs to stop. You d@mn skippy I am a BoS fanboi ... but I was a flight sim fanboi first and I still am. BoS is going to be great and whether or not it is "better" or "worse" than CoD or dCS is totally irrelevant. As good as it will be it will still have it's flaws just like DCS does.. and it's wWII offering will... and CoD most certainly does.

 

Just enjoy them and stop the stupidness.. get over it and move on into the bright future ahead.

 

Blitzen .. point taken.

 

Read my post .. read the whole post... and tell me I am wrong.

 

How many times have I heard the term "hate" usually spoken by a CoD supporter who is referring to a CoD critic.. How many times has the fact that CoD was a PoS on it's initial release been stated here with the result of a multiple page thread again usually populated by the same people going back and forth and back and forth rehashing stuff that has been fought about for years on other boards.. How many times has it been said that thanks to the work or TF CoD is now actually quite decent.. with the usual rebuttals of the folks who still feel that they were ripped off and have to restate that fact... again... and again .. going into the rehash of stuff that has been fought over for years on other boards.

 

Every one needs to just get over it and move on. It isn't like we do not have a potentially  bright future to move into. From where I sit BoS is the closest thing to a sure thing that we have on the horizon at the moment  but that does not mean or guarantee that the other potential offerings will not succeed. Let's face it CoD is limited at the moment and it is going to be until TF can do what a developer would do if they had the full time and resources to do what needs to be done to keep it viable and moving forward in other than cosmetic changes but even at its current state it is enjoyable now.. We have no clue what DCS WWII will be like .... we can only hope.. but I will have Bos on my HD along with hundreds of others hopefully over the next 5 weeks..

 

No matter where any of us stand on these issues we all need to make a conscious effort to watch what we say and how we say it and look forward not backward before we hit send. If anyone thinks that this whole rant of mine was prompted solely by this thread then they have not been looking at the developer updates.. the DCS thread or any number of other threads that have popped up around here and gone to crap for the reasons and fueled by some of the un named folks referred to above over the past few months.

[SOLIDKREATE]

Maybe the BoS team will release a BoB or SoM campaign pack in the future with planes to boot. I don't see that as being far fetched. They have an outstanding platform now and an even more amazing crew. I for one would spend the money to support them buy purchasing planes and campaign packs. It's not like they don't have the aircraft already.

[ImPeRaToR]

Indeed, and they already have a channel map, too. Of course it will have to be updated but it will still be less work than creating an entirely new map.

I believe over at the Russian forums work has started on a moscow map - as some of you might know there already was a third-party user made map for ROF, the "fantasy island".

[Mysticpuma]

Got to be honest, I just look at CloD as another environment to enjoy my hobby in.

 

BoS when released will be a new, exciting environment to play in and (after seeing the transport rolling in the snow with lights on) beautiful to look at.

CloD is still my favourite sim, especially with the TF updates (and soon to be released) next patch. These have improved the fps and environment substantially (as-well as much more).

Finally I have pre-ordered DCS WWII and look forward to learning how to.fly the P-47.

 

When it comes down to.it, I don't have an agenda, I just have a hobby

 

Cheers, MP

[LLv44_Mprhead]

"CloD is still my favourite sim." As for me it's something I enjoy at the moment, but I don't expect to be doing that much flying over cliffs of Dover after BoS is released. It just that for some reason battle of Britain is only marginally interesting for me. I think that it's the planes of that time period, they just don't work for me like the planes of 1943-44. Thunderbolts and Lightning, P-51 and Spitfire mkIX, Fw-190A and Bf-109G, those are the ones I love. I like Emil, early Spitfire and Hurricane, yes, but I don't love them like I do those mentioned. And BoS will have both 109G and 190, so with it I am almost halfway there

That said, it's great to have TF doing the thing they do. It's always nice to have some variety.