indiaciki Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 She's a beautiful bitch... having read quite a lot of pilot's interviews on the 109(any model)... it's quite obvious that the average german fighter pilot was a better pilot than the average allied pilot. If you have to take off and land 4 times a day in a 109 you're either good or dead. Reminds me of the Sopwith Camel....
Blooddawn1942 Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 My favorite DCS module so far. Good choise Sir!
Chuck_Owl Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 (edited) She's a beautiful bitch... having read quite a lot of pilot's interviews on the 109(any model)... it's quite obvious that the average german fighter pilot was a better pilot than the average allied pilot. If you have to take off and land 4 times a day in a 109 you're either good or dead. Reminds me of the Sopwith Camel.... Many German pilots crashed their plane on landing. The shortage of experienced german pilots by the end of the war was apparent just by the number of crashes. You might be surprised when the Spitfire comes out. She has a landing gear configuration very similar to the Bf.109's. Edited February 15, 2015 by 71st_AH_Chuck
fdswer Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 I finally bought it to and it went right up there as one of my favorite sim planes. I find it has a lot of small detail that most sims don't have all the little sounds and bumps make the plane feel alive.
IRRE_Belmont Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 Bought one myself too!I gotta say it's really relaxing to fly in it, and the details are insane in it
6./ZG26_5tuka Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 You might be surprised when the Spitfire comes out. She has a landing gear configuration very similar to the Bf.109's. Yea the Spitfire was considered to be an euqal deathtrap. In the early yera sof war the Spitfire crash ratio during TO and landing exeeded the Hurricane by far. The 109 is very pretty to fly though I feel it's very tailheavy, especially during take off. I'm suprised by it's gentle stall characteristics coimpared to the more vicious stalls we have in BoS, it doesn't even do a full rotation without recovering itself again in a spin. It seems to me the FM could be a little bit more polished but overall it's a blast. My landings usually work better without engine (practised that a lot when drivuing it to the limits too frequently)
9./JG27golani79 Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 I love the K-4 I´ve also created a few liveries for the K-4. If anyone is interested you can find them here: http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/?arrFilter_CREATED_USER_NAME=golani79
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 Just got Kurfurst, it's pretty baller.
indiaciki Posted February 15, 2015 Author Posted February 15, 2015 It's not the landing...the takeoff is much worse.
indiaciki Posted February 16, 2015 Author Posted February 16, 2015 Have you taken off, yet? I can't raise my tail.
AndyJWest Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 (edited) They seem to be running one of their flash sales again - the Bf 109 is now reduced further, to $9.99. As is the Sabre, and I expect some other stuff too - I don't expect the offers will last long though. I've bought myself the Sabre, and will no doubt buy the 109 later, when there is a map to fly it on. I personally can't get any enthusiasm for flying WW2 warbirds from modern airfields - it just seems wrong. Edited February 16, 2015 by AndyJWest
indiaciki Posted February 16, 2015 Author Posted February 16, 2015 pretend you're flying at an airshow. She's worth it.
AndyJWest Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 pretend you're flying at an airshow. She's worth it. I've done that with the Dora and the Pony. It's ok for an hour or two, but doesn't really inspire me. Anyway, I'm short of cash (as always) and I've made my choice for now - I wanted a bit of variety.
indiaciki Posted February 16, 2015 Author Posted February 16, 2015 I bought the dora and haven't flown her since. That's why I didn't buy the 109K until yesterday. I love the Huey and The MiG21bis. The P51 didn't really impress me. The 109 is awesome and really has the wickedness pilots talked about. It's a good one. Kind of unique. If it were possible I'd swap the Dora for a Sabre.
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 It's not the landing...the takeoff is much worse.Are you locking the tail wheel? A lot of the tutorials I found didn't even suggest that you could.
303_Kwiatek Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 It's not the landing...the takeoff is much worse. Yea i found also that all prop planes in DCS are far much harder to correct take off then landing - these also touch K-4. Expecially adding some flaps down at start make thing even worse. As all planes K-4 is nice in details, but also im little dissapointment that there is something not right with spin characteristic of DCS planes. There is near not possible to make flick roll into the same direction as prop rotating, also all planes got near the same spin behaviour or rather spin proof charactersitic. Mostly its looks like 1/4 flick roll then planes suddenly stop rotating even if you keep stick full back. I think there is some lack in spin behaviour engine. 2
indiaciki Posted February 16, 2015 Author Posted February 16, 2015 Yes, it's possible to lock the tailwheel.
voncrapenhauser Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 (edited) Yea the Spitfire was considered to be an euqal deathtrap. In the early yera sof war the Spitfire crash ratio during TO and landing exeeded the Hurricane by far. Especially when the pilots In early Spitfire days were taught "old school" dead stick landings without reading the pilots notes on approach speed. As with most pilots they either learned or took a trip to the hospital at best. Edited February 16, 2015 by voncrapenhauser
Guest deleted@30725 Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 The wings breaking stupidly easy put me off flying it. It comes with some pretty boring stock skins too, but there are a few good user made ones to make it look better and whenever I do fly it I wonder why I neglect it. Perhaps I've had too much 109 for now. (Can you have too much??) The mustang is OK and according to real pilots it's on the money. I guess it seems boring because it's so common and there are a load of real ones still flying. Really will be cool when the spit comes out. 190 is pretty nice to fly and is currently my go to ww2 plane in the lineup and shooting down mustangs is really easy in it. I agree that the huey is a lot of fun and it takes a fair amount of skill to fly it. I brought the hokum in the sale and was not that impressed, but it's the only modern gun platform helicopter in the game so I shall probably grow to enjoy it once I work out its bewildering weapons. The user updated cockpit download gives the internal textures more pop. It's so easy to fly too which I guess is good, but after flying that the next game session I had I destroyed 3 hueys before I remembered how to land without dropping like a rock.
indiaciki Posted February 17, 2015 Author Posted February 17, 2015 I just figured how to take off according to the original manuals...20 degrees flaps, trimmed nose down, no ailerons on take off run, once in the air full right aileron to counteract the tendency to break left. It worked. I guess timing is key. She should be up in 15-18s... Any dates on the Spit? I haven't seen any on the DCS site
6./ZG26_5tuka Posted February 17, 2015 Posted February 17, 2015 Because I can't fin the other thread here's a little insight in my new sound mod (I really couldn't go with the stock ones..). Note this is all WIP and I'm spending lots of time testing certain functions and tweaking. The final mod will be published on DCS site . Ground Testing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8U3aNpCsAI Testing Flybys https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO3vmK7gLuY&feature=youtu.be 1
9./JG27golani79 Posted February 17, 2015 Posted February 17, 2015 Any dates on the Spit? I haven't seen any on the DCS site The VEAO Spit is scheduled for Q3 2015 - not sure about the ED Spit though. You are taking off pretty early and slow - the K-4 wants to snap to the left pretty bad if you do so therefore you need so much counter aileron. If you push the stick forward while gaining speed and lift off with about 200km/h the tendency for a leftroll should be much less. I also don´t use any flaps for TO.
303_Kwiatek Posted February 17, 2015 Posted February 17, 2015 (edited) DCS planes reacts very strange at take off with little flaps. I have not experienced or observed such strange things at take offs with little flaps which genrally should help at take off - only in DCS is opposite. Edited February 17, 2015 by 303_Kwiatek
9./JG27golani79 Posted February 17, 2015 Posted February 17, 2015 I´m using flaps for TO with the 190 and the P51 and haven´t experienced any strange behavior with them.
303_Kwiatek Posted February 17, 2015 Posted February 17, 2015 Try to take off with flaps and without. Without flaps is much easier.
6./ZG26_5tuka Posted February 17, 2015 Posted February 17, 2015 My impression of the K-4 is that flaps move the center of lift forward making the plane more tailheavy, thus you nearly "rocket" into the sky at TO speed (and stall if not reacting by slightly pushing the stick). The TO behaviour on the K4 seems moer weird than the Mustang to me though. It really seems very tailheavy in groudn effect range and instantly drops the nose once climbing a few meters. I really hope this is an error in the CoG / CoL calculation and will be corrected (I really can't see how the real 109 behaved like that). Apart form that it's great. Landing is still the most difficult part for me. Has anybody managed to bind the stabilizer trim to an axis yet btw? It works for me but does only use the positive range of my rotary for up and downtrim which is very ackward. Is there a setting to adjust it to work properly?
9./JG27golani79 Posted February 17, 2015 Posted February 17, 2015 Has anybody managed to bind the stabilizer trim to an axis yet btw? It works for me but does only use the positive range of my rotary for up and downtrim which is very ackward. Is there a setting to adjust it to work properly? Binding the stabilizer to an axis felt pretty weird to me although I was able to use it for positive as well as negative values (X-55). So I´m still using it on a hat switch.
Fortis_Leader Posted February 17, 2015 Posted February 17, 2015 (edited) it's quite obvious that the average german fighter pilot was a better pilot than the average allied pilot. If you have to take off and land 4 times a day in a 109 you're either good or dead. To be fair, I'd rather attribute the skill of average German pilots to survival of the fittest. See, the ones who got sent up against the B-17s of the 8th Air Force with only 10 flight hours didn't really stand great chances at making it to the point where they could write a biography. Or even back to base really. ;-) Edited February 17, 2015 by Palaszewski
indiaciki Posted February 17, 2015 Author Posted February 17, 2015 To be fair, I'd rather attribute the skill of average German pilots to survival of the fittest. See, the ones who got sent up against the B-17s of the 8th Air Force with only 10 flight hours didn't really stand great chances at making it to the point where they could write a biography. Or even back to base really. ;-) Good point
indiaciki Posted February 18, 2015 Author Posted February 18, 2015 Another try without flaps... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bUpee9nKo0&feature=youtu.be Very nice sounds, 5tuka
indiaciki Posted February 18, 2015 Author Posted February 18, 2015 (edited) This one is totally by the books, i.e. Pilot's notes. Flaps 20 deg, nose down. I've seen a lot of youtube videos suggesting right aileron or use of brakes. This is a plain Messerschmitt procedure and it works in DCS. Throttle and rudder only. She's built to TO with flaps. Never seen one taking off without. Never seen actual 109s Taking off with ailerons before thy were airborne. Correct me if I'm wrong.... Edited February 18, 2015 by indiaciki
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