Nosedive_Ned Posted February 14, 2015 Posted February 14, 2015 Hi all, This is my first post and to put it simply, I have been waiting some time to get this Sim, to say I was excited when I first learned of BoS, would have been an understatement! At my Wifes despair I built a new PC purely with the intention of playing IL2 BoS !!! (Let's just say, I spent a few "Sofa nights" when she saw the receipts!!) I absolutely love it so far, though I am living up to my username "nosedive Ned" lol. One thing I am hoping someone will answer is - I love the Stuka and want to take on flying this plane more than any other, but when I am divebombing, I cannot hear the "wailing" that the Stuka is renowned for. Am I doing something wrong or is this an in game thing? I know this is not an overly important question, I have many, many more to ask about hardware etc yet but, as weird as it may seem, I love the scream of a diving Stuka.............. To the developers of BoS I say a big thank you, this is how I hoped all the previous IL2 Games would be, I may only be a Newb, but so far I have had full on nerdgasms The planes are beautiful I apologise if this has been mentioned / answered before. I have searched the forums, but could not see the question or answer Cheers, Carl.
SCG_Space_Ghost Posted February 14, 2015 Posted February 14, 2015 I agree with you. I've never much cared for BOS's dive siren SFX... It's like it isn't in the right key or something.
9./JG27golani79 Posted February 14, 2015 Posted February 14, 2015 You have to unlock the siren for it to work ..
Tyberan Posted February 14, 2015 Posted February 14, 2015 (edited) Siren needs to be equipped first. If you dont see the small props near the joint between the landing gear legs and the wings then they are not on aircraft. Also I think they are bound to a key as well, separate to the dive breaks, as they are mechanical sirens they have a small brake in them that needs to be released. Also remember that the siren sound you would here in old news clips and footage from that era would be the sound you are hearing due to the doppler effect. When your in the aircraft it would be a constant noise. Edited February 14, 2015 by Tyberan
Sokol1 Posted February 14, 2015 Posted February 14, 2015 (edited) And after unlock, select the siren in every QM or Campaign that you play... BTW - Assign the same key used for "AirBrakes on/off" for "Attack Siren on/off" (activate the siren) - I use D. So the siren start and stop at begin and end of dives. Of course if you remember to deploy/retract the dive brakes. Edited February 14, 2015 by Sokol1 2
69th_chuter Posted February 14, 2015 Posted February 14, 2015 The dive brakes don't automatically retract? That would mean no auto pullout.
beepee Posted February 14, 2015 Posted February 14, 2015 The dive brakes don't automatically retract? That would mean no auto pullout. Was it installed on every Ju-87 variant?
wtornado Posted February 14, 2015 Posted February 14, 2015 (edited) The automatic put out system came out at the beginning of the war with the B variant. Later on in the war the more experienced pilots did not activate the siren to war the ack ack batteries that they were on the way down on a bomb run. Edited February 14, 2015 by WTornado
Jaeger55 Posted February 14, 2015 Posted February 14, 2015 The siren sound sucks ass indeed. How on earth this can be overlooked is beyond me. Its only the most famous sound of WW2!
oneeyeddog Posted February 14, 2015 Posted February 14, 2015 You have to unlock the siren for it to work .. Welcome NoseDive Ned. If you do not have a Premium version of BoS or you have not upgraded your standard version you'll have to 'unlock' the siren in the single player campaign. The good news is thats its the first mod that you are able to unlock for the stuka and should only take you a couple of missions to get it. Sokol1, thanks for the tip on mapping dive brakes and siren to the same key.
Tyberan Posted February 14, 2015 Posted February 14, 2015 BTW you will love the Stuka. I find it a trusty workhorse of a plane, also turns on a dime.
6./ZG26_5tuka Posted February 14, 2015 Posted February 14, 2015 The ingame Stuka has no auto pullout system. Zak once noted it might be implemented in future after BoS's release. Currently both dive brakes as well as sirens hae to be toggled via keys. Oh and to me dive sirens are overly important btw! There's nothing better than chasing fighters with gun pods and screechy sirens
Nosedive_Ned Posted February 21, 2015 Author Posted February 21, 2015 Hi Guys Thx for the welcome and the answers, I must apologise for my delay in replying. Haven't been on my PC much this week, Managed to get a nice Car seat from work and have spent much of my time designing a frame for it to sit on with attachable bits for my future purchases of Saitek throttle and other assorted goodies. Mrs Nosedive Ned isn't too impressed....... My old faithful Joystick has finally gone wonky too, so flying is having to be limited. Cannot complain,10 years of service and many hours of fun, Logitech Freedom 2.4Ghz - Was a worthy purchase :D. I don't have premium, just standard, but I am taking the current offer of Half price planes to take me up to premium (If I read the Email right)
-NW-ChiefRedCloud Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 Welcome Ned ..... AS you just found out there's a wealth of information via the pilots in the forums. And most everyone is up for a good discussion. Chief
TG-55Panthercules Posted February 22, 2015 Posted February 22, 2015 Personally, I like the BoS Stuka's siren sounds, and I always regret it when I start my dive and realize I forgot to equip it during the mission setup screen. I've never flown a Stuka with the siren blaring IRL (or heard a recording of what it sounded like from within the cockpit). However, I would expect it to sound different from inside the plane than it does from the ground (where most of the film I've seen of diving Stukas has been taken), so I'm pretty happy with the way it's been implemented in BoS.
71st_AH_Mastiff Posted February 22, 2015 Posted February 22, 2015 I'm very familiure with siren sound it would sound the same if not a little muffled when cockpit. On the ground sound travel though going faster in a dive you wouldn't have heard it until it was right on top of you. Most likely they used a ground siren from the airfield air raid siren and instead of having a hand crank attached they just added a prop made from wood or light metal.
TG-55Panthercules Posted February 22, 2015 Posted February 22, 2015 (edited) On the ground sound travel though going faster in a dive you wouldn't have heard it until it was right on top of you. ?? I don't think I understand your point here. Did some Googling and found the following from the WW2DB site (http://ww2db.com/aircraft_spec.php?aircraft_model_id=7): A typical Stuka attack began at the altitude of 13,000 feet, diving down at the target at the speed of about 300 miles per hour. And from here: http://ww2-weapons.com/Aircrafts/Bombers/information/Dive-Bombing-Tactis.htm : A dive from 15,000ft to a release altitude of 3,000ft (usual for attacks against defended targets) took about 30sec Now I can't say how accurate those sites are, but the information seems directionally correct based on what I recall from my Stuka missions in BoS so far. Also found (from here: http://howthingsfly.si.edu/ask-an-explainer/what-speed-sound-warm-air-and-cold-air ) that the speed of sound would probably be somewhere around 700 mph at the cold temps such as we have in BoS. Thus, it would seem that the sound of the siren would reach the ground targets well before the planes were "right on top of you" in the sense of altitude anyway (although of course in one sense they would be right on top of you from the very start, since they wouldn't turn on the sirens until they started diving down on you). Edited February 22, 2015 by TG-55Panthercules
Feathered_IV Posted February 22, 2015 Posted February 22, 2015 I thought the wailing noise was coming from the cockpit... 1
TG-55Panthercules Posted February 22, 2015 Posted February 22, 2015 I thought the wailing noise was coming from the cockpit... Well, unlike the sirens the wailing from the cockpit doesn't have to be unlocked, and it isn't limited to the Stuka. But that's another story for a different thread
71st_AH_Mastiff Posted February 22, 2015 Posted February 22, 2015 (edited) ok when I drive my car with equipped siren and I'm going 65 to 70 MPH the siren noise gets sharply decreased because sound distorts the fast you catch up to the sound barrier, I also know that the faster the car goes its less of a chance for the people to have a warning down the street, when traveling at 70 mph, That's why they administration tells us to slow down because there's not enough time to warn other cars and peds of our emergency run. or expedited traveling down the road to get out of the way and make right away. the theory told to us in EMOC school was that the faster the car goes the slower the sound had to travel to warn ahead of our way. so we did notice this... So I deduced that since the JU87D is traveling fast than a car the same principle. ok are we talking about sirens or dive warning horns which is it? "Thus, it would seem that the sound of the siren would reach the ground targets well before the planes were "right on top of you" in the sense of altitude anyway (although of course in one sense they would be right on top of you from the very start, since they wouldn't turn on the sirens until they started diving down on you" About four seconds before the ideal altitude for releasing the bomb, so from 13,000 feet (2.46mile) the siren comes on nobody down on the ground would hear it until it was 4.5 seconds after they reached there bomb release which was about 8,000 feet (1.51 mile). do the math if even they heard it over the flack guns going off it would of been to late for them on the ground, to even seek cover. if they weren't paying attention. So, tell me at that distance how did they hear the siren again? 700 mph = 1,026.66 feet per sec.so what about 13 seconds for 13,338 feet per sec. ... which would of meant the sound was travelling 513 feet per sec ahead of the dive and take in count the dive was reaching a speed of 300 mph, so around 4.46 sec yea I don't think they heard it until it was to late. Edited February 22, 2015 by 71st_Mastiff
Jaws2002 Posted February 22, 2015 Posted February 22, 2015 ok when I drive my car with equipped siren and I'm going 65 to 70 MPH the siren noise gets sharply decreased because sound distorts the fast you catch up to the sound barrier, I also know that the faster the car goes its less of a chance for the people to have a warning down the street, when traveling at 70 mph, That's why they administration tells us to slow down because there's not enough time to warn other cars and peds of our emergency run. or expedited traveling down the road to get out of the way and make right away. the theory told to us in EMOC school was that the faster the car goes the slower the sound had to travel to warn ahead of our way. so we did notice this... So I deduced that since the JU87D is traveling fast than a car the same principle. ok are we talking about sirens or dive warning horns which is it? "Thus, it would seem that the sound of the siren would reach the ground targets well before the planes were "right on top of you" in the sense of altitude anyway (although of course in one sense they would be right on top of you from the very start, since they wouldn't turn on the sirens until they started diving down on you" About four seconds before the ideal altitude for releasing the bomb, so from 13,000 feet (2.46mile) the siren comes on nobody down on the ground would hear it until it was 4.5 seconds after they reached there bomb release which was about 8,000 feet (1.51 mile). do the math if even they heard it over the flack guns going off it would of been to late for them on the ground, to even seek cover. if they weren't paying attention. So, tell me at that distance how did they hear the siren again? 700 mph = 1,026.66 feet per sec.so what about 13 seconds for 13,338 feet per sec. ... which would of meant the sound was travelling 513 feet per sec ahead of the dive and take in count the dive was reaching a speed of 300 mph, so around 4.46 sec yea I don't think they heard it until it was to late. Where did you get the 8000 feet altitude as the bomb release point? The stuka usually released at 1000meters altitude, or lower: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxDkoIVcq6o&feature=player_detailpage#t=1058 In this interview he clearly mentions 500 meters. that's 1500 feet. Now do your math again.
TG-55Panthercules Posted February 22, 2015 Posted February 22, 2015 (edited) ok when I drive my car with equipped siren and I'm going 65 to 70 MPH the siren noise gets sharply decreased because sound distorts the fast you catch up to the sound barrier, I also know that the faster the car goes its less of a chance for the people to have a warning down the street, when traveling at 70 mph, That's why they administration tells us to slow down because there's not enough time to warn other cars and peds of our emergency run. or expedited traveling down the road to get out of the way and make right away. I think you're confusing the two very different purposes being served by ambulance/vehicular sirens and by the Stuka sirens. The advice given to you about giving other vehicles and pedestrians enough time to move out of the way of your speeding vehicle is good advice, but it presumes that the real purpose of the ambulance/vehicular siren is to warn people and let them get out of the way. That's completely the opposite purpose of the Stuka siren - it is to frighten them, perhaps to freeze them in their tracks, not to give them a chance to get out of the way. Think about how the people on the streets hear your ambulance/vehicular sirens - they hear them while you're vehicle is still far away, but it takes them some time to figure out where the siren is coming from and whether it is coming in their direction, so they need that extra time you've been told to give them (not to hear the siren, but to figure out what if anything they need to do about it). Just doing some quick math for the Stuka parameters I found online: If the Stuka turns on its sirens at about 14,000 feet (splitting the difference between the two quotes I found). With the speed of sound at about 700 mph in these cold temperatures (roughly 1,000 feet per second), that sound would start reaching the ground about 14 seconds later. If (as the quote indicates) it takes about 30 seconds for the Stuka to reach its bombing release altitude of 3,000 feet, then the people on the ground would have been hearing the Stuka's sirens for about 16 seconds by then - plenty of time to get freaked out by what was about to happen to them, but not so much time that they could really do much about it. Sounds about right to me. Edited February 22, 2015 by TG-55Panthercules 1
6./ZG26_Gielow Posted February 22, 2015 Posted February 22, 2015 (edited) I just made a new video with improved sounds That is a Stuka siren sounding like a boss!! The stuka is really a terror weapon lol Make it loud before hitting play button Edited February 22, 2015 by =[Coffin]=Gielow
Nosedive_Ned Posted February 22, 2015 Author Posted February 22, 2015 I just made a new video with improved sounds That is a Stuka siren sounding like a boss!! The stuka is really a terror weapon lol Make it loud before hitting play button Thank you so much for the Video, it was good. The Siren sounds about right too, from footage I have seen online and the TV. p.s I popped my Headphones on and turned it up to 11 :D
1CGS LukeFF Posted February 23, 2015 1CGS Posted February 23, 2015 The Siren sounds about right too, from footage I have seen online and the TV. It's important to remember that sort of audio was as a rule dubbed in later and isn't necessarily indicative of what the audio footage really sounded like. 3
Feathered_IV Posted February 23, 2015 Posted February 23, 2015 (edited) It's important to remember that sort of audio was as a rule dubbed in later and isn't necessarily indicative of what the audio footage really sounded like. That's very true. I was just reading the other day how sound still had to be recorded on wax discs. The vast majority of war newsreel footage had stock sounds dubbed over later and only speeches and the like received actual sound recordings. Edited February 23, 2015 by Feathered_IV
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